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:lolmichaelpachter said:
And *Clap* at stuburns for playing it cool after that. that was awesome.
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And *Clap* at stuburns for playing it cool after that. that was awesome.
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It's always nice having celbrityish people on the forum willing to call you an assbag if they believe you're being one.
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lol now this thread title can truly mean Pach-Attack.
He said 3-4 years from now when his kids are in high school. You gotta think Apple is working towards a device that will both recognize touch with a capacitive screen and stylus input that works as well as the traditional tablet devices. Aside from obvious improvements to resolution, speed, and built in cameras, that's the only thing holding the iPad back from being my ultimate mobile device.
i concur with the whole laptop thing
NO YOU DO NOT NEED A LAPTOP IN HIGHSCHOOL
fucking ridicious
yes, i understand you are damn rich mr pachter, but you are spoiling your kids with ipod, ipod touch, all the game systems with nice looking hdtvs, etc etc
(i hope your kids arent going to grow up to be spoiled d-bags)
i'm in university ECE, and you :could: get by without bringing a laptop, hell, 98% of people here dont bring their laptops to class because we write in pen + paper
yes, having a laptop would be convenient, between breaks, checking email, etc but it is not an essential item, let alone a highschool kid using it
highschool kids are just going to play games and surf the internet with it
(if you're curious, there is 2 people i've ever seen with laptop to take notes and they use a tablet /w pen to take notes)
and a note about ipad, i was in summer school for a art-sci credit, and there was a girl with a ipad trying to take notes
let's just say it is retarded and slow and inaccurate
the thing needs pen/tablet support, right now as it is, the thing is a joke for school
NO YOU DO NOT NEED A LAPTOP IN HIGHSCHOOL
fucking ridicious
yes, i understand you are damn rich mr pachter, but you are spoiling your kids with ipod, ipod touch, all the game systems with nice looking hdtvs, etc etc
(i hope your kids arent going to grow up to be spoiled d-bags)
i'm in university ECE, and you :could: get by without bringing a laptop, hell, 98% of people here dont bring their laptops to class because we write in pen + paper
yes, having a laptop would be convenient, between breaks, checking email, etc but it is not an essential item, let alone a highschool kid using it
highschool kids are just going to play games and surf the internet with it
(if you're curious, there is 2 people i've ever seen with laptop to take notes and they use a tablet /w pen to take notes)
and a note about ipad, i was in summer school for a art-sci credit, and there was a girl with a ipad trying to take notes
let's just say it is retarded and slow and inaccurate
the thing needs pen/tablet support, right now as it is, the thing is a joke for school
I think Pad like devices will become pretty common for school eventually. The DS proved ot be very popular in some circles in Japan for education purposes. A full featured Tablet that offers writing capabilities etc will likely be the "textbook" of the future. Students will be able to have all their books stored on the tablet and they can do all their notes etc on it as well.
Certainly would make things alot easier for kids for studies but would also give alot of goof off potential
Certainly would make things alot easier for kids for studies but would also give alot of goof off potential
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StuBurns said:
He got a hot wife as well? Didn´t know that.
Man got both a porsche and trophy wife, the American dream personalized.
To bad be he came off as a narrowminded prick in that close&personal Eurogamer interview. The expression "to full of himself" sprung to mind when reading it. Bragging about how much money he is earning/losing doesn´t add validity to his opinions IMHO.
Looking at how bad the Wall street people have been prediciting the market and still getting filthy rich by doing so is actually pretty depressing.
Anony said:
He was talking that "WHEN" his kids go to school he MIGHT have to buy laptops because schools MIGHT require them by then. I mean, it's not a bad assumption really, in 3 to 5 years approx, iPad like devices might be as cheap as a book, ranging from 100 to 300 dllrs depending of the model.
I wouldn't be surprised if schools start to allow this or include them into the school year purchase. And if you think about it, it's 1 time purchase for something that will last you 2 to 4 years.
His assumption is not that bad IMO, so my respects to Pachter.
A much more mature response this time, I bow to your humility. Despite disagreeing that Mafia won't break even. Even if it cost $60M, it only has to make a little more than two million sales, without taking into account moneyhatting for DLC. If the profit will have warranted the cost however is a different question, and I have no idea what kind of return a publisher wants from that kind of investment.michaelpachter said:
Your criticism of Rockstar's management is quite puzzling to me, outside of LA Noire, I can't see anything they're making that won't make money despite their initial lofty costs.
Can't be bothered to dig up the precise conversation referenced here, but as a person working in higher ed (and making substantially less money than Mr. Pachter), I will say that if his comments have been accurately summarized here, then he is absolutely on the money in terms of computers/peripherals in the classroom.
Matter of fact, I question how long it's been since some of you folks have been in a classroom. This is not Buck Rogers-type stuff we're talking about here. This is going on right now, and will only become more and more prevalent over time. My wife teaches third grade in a public school in a state that is pretty much the bottom of the proverbial barrel when it comes to spending on education, and yet, all of her 3rd grade students are issued laptops.
Matter of fact, I question how long it's been since some of you folks have been in a classroom. This is not Buck Rogers-type stuff we're talking about here. This is going on right now, and will only become more and more prevalent over time. My wife teaches third grade in a public school in a state that is pretty much the bottom of the proverbial barrel when it comes to spending on education, and yet, all of her 3rd grade students are issued laptops.
StuBurns said:
To be fair he is looking at them through the eyes of investors and people who want to make lots of money. That means it would be better for rockstar to put out more games more often. If instead of getting guaranteed 10s because its a rockstar game more frequent games mean it might get a 9 or 9.5 thats preferred as that means more money made.
I can certainly understand the use, but isn't a paper and pen actually preferable for note taking? If you give your kids a note making device that runs games, aren't they just likely to fuck around and play games at school?Flavius said:
(Chill out Pachter, I'm not accusing you of poorly raising your children or anything).
Fularu said:Once you buy your car, the manufacturer has no more costs related to it. When you buy "Online game xxx with servers provided by publisher YYY" your game still costs money to maintain for the publisher.
Your analogy really doesn't work. Also car manufacturers sell maintainance packages when you buy a car(that covers more than the base insurance obviously)
just pointing out something - GM, Ford and Toyota had almost $10 billion in warranty costs in 2007 or 2008, so no, cant compare cars with games
.I think that all software companies are excited by the possibility of subscriptions, no matter what the industry is, however not many of them have compelling enough products to actually be able to entice users to buy their subscription, whatever it is. This is why free to play model is on the rise, which also has its own share of problems.
StuBurns said:
i would suppose those laptops are locked down quite well
.I am grown man, and I cant sometimes tear myself from the game... giving unrestricted access to the pad in the schools means kids will study less. Expecting 10 yr old kids to understand why candy is bad for them is just a bit far fetched.
But hey, you guys can always expand your work visa programs
It's a little different when these kids are going to good private schools. I knew a few kids who were from well off families and the expectation from the parents to do well as well as the competitiveness from the other students really pushed them to do better than they thought they could. Hell, they didn't even want to come out and play as kids because they had work to do.StuBurns said:
spwolf said:i would suppose those laptops are locked down quite well
I am grown man, and I cant sometimes tear myself from the game... giving unrestricted access to the pad in the schools means kids will study less. Expecting 10 yr old kids to understand why candy is bad for them is just a bit far fetched.
But hey, you guys can always expand your work visa programs
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd imagine you're a grown man without children.
Kids (far younger than 10) understand far more than you realize.
Flavius said:
As someone who works in IT for a school district I can shed a little light on why this is and why it looks so bass-ackwards.
Schools can apply for various grants for different things. These grants can vary greatly in amounts from several hundred dollars to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The caveat about getting this money though is that it has to be used for what the grant is intended for and nothing else. For example, if they receive a grant for $100,000 for computer equipment -- then that is what it has to go for. It can't go for books, pencils, paper, salaries, etc.... Many of these grants have a timeline to spend the money on and if they don't spend it in the allotted time, they actually lose it.
mj1108 said:
Well, you certainly won't get an argument from me that the money could be put to better/more efficient use. Having worked as a contracts/business ops specialist for the state for four years before moving on to education, I'm familiar with how these agreements play out.
That said, I do believe in the capability of these devices to provide students (of all ages) with a higher quality education. Safe to say, we're a pretty tech-savvy group here on GAF, but having interacted with large numbers of high school grads with (to put it mildly) incredibly lacking pc skills...the need for the tech is obvious, as well as proper instruction on how to use it.
Maybe it's being in the UK, but computer literacy was such a focus at my school and I couldn't imagine coming out of high school without being very confident in most the areas of computing that are generally useful afterward.Flavius said:
I like the iPad, I wasn't criticizing it, the fact that it's design is the way it is makes it naturally easier for a teacher to be able to see what a student is doing as appose to a laptop where they see the back of a screen and would have to walk around you to make sure you're not playing games. And I can certainly see it's advantages in certain regards, but considering Apple's grasp on the market, iOS and OS X don't seem like where someone would want to prioritize their computer education.
Flavius said:
i am not that old at all - certainly remember my educational days, and have 2 kids
.And dont get me wrong, but I think letting the kids decide what is right or wrong is bad.
You are also confusing things here - if you completely lock down their computers, which is what most of school districts are doing, then obviously it is an good effort to give access to high tech to the masses.... but if you just give them ipads, well, you will be in trouble as US currently is when it comes to the education standards, compared to the rest of the world
StuBurns said:
Feel a bit as though I'm usurping this thread to talk shop, so I'll keep it brief:
1. Don't have the numbers in front of me to back it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the data showed that secondary education in the UK better prepared students in terms of computer literacy than here in the U.S. As a general rule, we're on pretty equal footing in terms of primary ed, and begin to slag behind from there.
2. Teaching from the front of the classroom is positively prehistoric. Lectures? Seminars? Certainly, but no one in primary or secondary education worth a salt is teaching from the front...they're working the entire classroom.
3. In terms of the OS, I think your focus is far too narrow here. Don't think of it as a computer/peripheral manufactured/offered by Company X so much as simply a vessel for delivering different types of content electronically. Ebooks, wikis, ed-based social networking, cloud/open education...this is where education is moving.
Good discussion...perhaps I'll begin an OT thread.
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spwolf said:You are also confusing things here - if you completely lock down their computers, which is what most of school districts are doing, then obviously it is an good effort to give access to high tech to the masses.... but if you just give them ipads, well, you will be in trouble as US currently is when it comes to the education standards, compared to the rest of the world
You makee no sensee.
You place far too much emphasis on "locking" things down (and I'll ignore your blanket comment regarding what "most" school districts do). I don't care what you lock down, so long as it allows me to get to the tools I need to teach and provide an education. At the same time, "completely" locking it down seems barbaric and "completely" unnecessary...and the bulk of current research suggests that this approach is far from ideal. Whether it be the greatest things since sliced bread, or the coming of the Apocalypse, we work hard to establish our virtual identities online...via Facebook, Twitter, and hobbyist sites such as this one. To toss a familiar device in front of us, but tell us we have to forget who we are while using it, will lead to lots of learners shutting down and not being willing to invest in the technology.
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Dropping the umlaut :lol
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I know I'm late to the party on this one but holy shit :lolmichaelpachter said:
Snipes424 said:
Agreed..... I do wonder what both bundles will do in the mainstream. I think having that arcade bundle for kinect will be a huge deal and even that is a bit over priced but the mainstream is going to go into best buy and see a $399 ps3+move and a $299 360+kinect (even if they aren't the same that is how I think the mainstream will see it). Course they might just as easily say the wii is $199 and bypass both.
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Wag said:
Ironically that's the impact of the haters. Without haters Patcher would not be this remembered person. It's like with Chris Crocker. You have all these haters who work as PR men for him.
And besides, being fucking anti political is the new black. People are fed up with the bullshit, so anyone who has the guts to fucking say what they mean, even in the face of endless internet ridicule, gets brownie points.
This only my take on it(if your perhaps doubting if I am speaking on everyones behalf.. jesus christ).
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This weeks Pach Attack is up and Pach answers my question in the 2nd half of the show. I'll listen to that advice and keep doing the best I can in school. Maybe like you, I will get lucky one day and get a sweet job like yours. Thanks Pach.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-137-pach-attack/706466
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-137-pach-attack/706466
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I can't believe I missed the handwriting debacle.
Apple built the colossal Newton failure around handwriting. Many would argue their vendetta against the stylus is a direct result of that failure.
The algorithms for handwriting are about as effective as voice recognition. It's not like it's easier. And in a digital world where people are manually writing less and less, they're not going to focus on a dying skill when voice is the real killer app.
Apple built the colossal Newton failure around handwriting. Many would argue their vendetta against the stylus is a direct result of that failure.
The algorithms for handwriting are about as effective as voice recognition. It's not like it's easier. And in a digital world where people are manually writing less and less, they're not going to focus on a dying skill when voice is the real killer app.
I like watching these, even though he was dead wrong on the bandwidth cap question.
"nobody downloads 12 games a month so 60gb is more then enough for gaming". My ass, maybe if my internet connection was only used to download games off PSN/XBLA and nothing else.
But like most people, I use it for all everything: Downloading Games, Downloading demos, Downloading Movies, Netflix, Watching Pach Attack in HD, downloading podcasts, watching live streams, web browsing, etc. And that's just me, I'm not the only one in my house using the internet.
So if I wanna download Fable II when Microsoft accidentally makes it free, I need to curb my downloading for the next couple days because 7gb is a huge chunk of my 95gb cap considering everything I use the internet for.
"nobody downloads 12 games a month so 60gb is more then enough for gaming". My ass, maybe if my internet connection was only used to download games off PSN/XBLA and nothing else.
But like most people, I use it for all everything: Downloading Games, Downloading demos, Downloading Movies, Netflix, Watching Pach Attack in HD, downloading podcasts, watching live streams, web browsing, etc. And that's just me, I'm not the only one in my house using the internet.
So if I wanna download Fable II when Microsoft accidentally makes it free, I need to curb my downloading for the next couple days because 7gb is a huge chunk of my 95gb cap considering everything I use the internet for.