Air Zombie Meat
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I think you guys might be taking that quote too literally.
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Pachter Says Why Would Anybody Buy A Wii U? [Except to play Nintendo games]
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
Yeah, the Wii U has a lot of hits that can match up to Wii Sports or Wii Fit.
Like, uh...
Nintendo Land?
Honestly guys, this is just sad. Michael Pachter didn't say "hey, why would anyone on NeoGAF want to buy the Wii U?" He's asking what compelling reasons the general market would have for wanting the Wii U. Right now, there are none. And I don't see anything compelling on the horizon. Bayonetta 2? Is that a joke?
No, but you're getting CoD: Ghosts, and Splinter Cell: Blacklist for your FPS needs this fall/winter.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I'd buy one, it's just wayyyy too expensive and the games are much too expensive.
150 euro console and 40-50 euro games and I'd get one right away.
150 euro console and 40-50 euro games and I'd get one right away.
Phinal Phantasy
Banned
Mario Kart wooooooooo
And that's why people don't have a Wii U.
No, but those are just a tiny fraction of the "Nintendo games".
Can you play Kid Icarus Uprising or Luigi's Mansion 2 on WiiU? nope.
But if you want 3D/2D Mario games, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Sonic, Mario Kart, Zelda ,etc 3DS has you covered for less money.
I really don't like Patcher but I have to agree with him on this one.
airmangataosenai
Member
There's been some speculation that it might get announced at some upcoming event but nothing official as of yet, no.
The question has never been can they make quality games but can they convince a large number of people outside of the Nintendo faithful to buy their system.
But I can't play Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, X, The Wonderful 101, etc on a 3DS.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Except NES, SNES, GBA, DS, 3DS. Bad library is bad.
Punchpudding
Member
Honestly the Xone and PS4 overlap a lot with my PC and I'm not sure they're worth their respective prices. I've also never owned a Nintendo console ever so not only would I be interested in the current exclusives, I could catch up on a lot of classic games too thanks to backwards compatibility and the virtual console. Not too shabby.
Sutton Dagger
Member
"Pachter genuinely questions why anyone would choose to buy a Wii U at this point in time."
I agree with him, or I should say I agree with the phrase 'at this point in time'. There is no way for me to justify spending that much when there is only a couple of decent games out at the moment (that can't be played elsewhere). Now when Pikmin 3 comes out, it's going to be hard to resist, but I'll wait.
I agree with him, or I should say I agree with the phrase 'at this point in time'. There is no way for me to justify spending that much when there is only a couple of decent games out at the moment (that can't be played elsewhere). Now when Pikmin 3 comes out, it's going to be hard to resist, but I'll wait.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
DS zelda is wayyyyy different from console zelda
Hell same with all the other games too >_>
Nintendo has been doomed in the console gaming business since 1981...
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
I don't think some people understand how the market works.
The Wii didn't sell ridiculous numbers because of Mario and Zelda. It sold ridiculous numbers because of Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, etc. Those mass market games brought in millions of new consumers, and those consumers poured into traditional Nintendo series, expanding their audiences. However, just releasing those traditional Nintendo series without the expanded audience games won't lead to high sales. We saw that with the N64 and Gamecube. This isn't a complicated concept. Even if Nintendo releases their traditional series for the Wii U (Super Smash Bros., Zelda, Mario), it will only appeal to a limited audience.
The Wii didn't sell ridiculous numbers because of Mario and Zelda. It sold ridiculous numbers because of Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, etc. Those mass market games brought in millions of new consumers, and those consumers poured into traditional Nintendo series, expanding their audiences. However, just releasing those traditional Nintendo series without the expanded audience games won't lead to high sales. We saw that with the N64 and Gamecube. This isn't a complicated concept. Even if Nintendo releases their traditional series for the Wii U (Super Smash Bros., Zelda, Mario), it will only appeal to a limited audience.
I don't mean to be that person but only Mario would be the only game out of that group to sell consoles. Pikmin? No. Bayonetta 2? Barely did over a million copies when it was multiplatform on PS360. Wonderful 101? No. Zelda? Last Zelda sold poorly. I can't imagine seeing it actually move consoles. Metroid? Other M killed it. As sad as it sounds, Nintendo needs the support of 3rd parties to entice people to come to their platform. I know we like to say, "Pfft! Pachter is an idiot! I bought my Wii U to play awesome Nintendo games!" That's great for you as a core gamer but not for Nintendo trying to appeal to a broad base and build up an install number that is going to want 3rd parties to put games out on their system in the first place. This ridiculous "poo-pooing" of Pachter's statement is insane when if you take a step back and look at the big picture, you'll see he's absolutely right.
Exclusives
He asked the wrong rhetorical question. He should have asked "why would the average consumer buy a wii u".
Most def right about 'this point in time' thing though.
He asked the wrong rhetorical question. He should have asked "why would the average consumer buy a wii u".
Most def right about 'this point in time' thing though.
Devilgunman
Member
Didn't he already answer himself?
What the shit are you talking about son?
Like I literally do not get the context of this statement please elaborate it could mean two different things and would like to know which way this is going.
Correctomundo
Member
Yeah, I was scratching my head there.
Was Ocarina of Time originally a handheld game?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I think thats what he meant by it though.
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
I don't think he's being literal when he says "anybody." He's clearly referring to the average consumer. It should be obvious to anyone.
Super Mario
Sonic
Super Smash Brothers
Zelda
The Wonderful 101
Yoshi's Yarn
Wario
Project Cars
Mario Kart
Pikmin 3
Rayman Legends
Mario Party
Wii U Party (maybe)
Earthbound
Ducktales Remastered (hell yes!)
Zelda Windwaker HD
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Disney Infinity (maybe)
X
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse (maybe)
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
A Hat in Time (maybe)
Kirby (maybe)
Oddworld New N' Tasty
That's 24 games I want right off the bat.
I assume that, throughout the course of the Wii U's lifecycle, there may be an additional 24 games that I'll want.
That's 48 games.
Why is everyone treating the Wii U like it's Paula Deen?
Sonic
Super Smash Brothers
Zelda
The Wonderful 101
Yoshi's Yarn
Wario
Project Cars
Mario Kart
Pikmin 3
Rayman Legends
Mario Party
Wii U Party (maybe)
Earthbound
Ducktales Remastered (hell yes!)
Zelda Windwaker HD
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Disney Infinity (maybe)
X
Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse (maybe)
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
A Hat in Time (maybe)
Kirby (maybe)
Oddworld New N' Tasty
That's 24 games I want right off the bat.
I assume that, throughout the course of the Wii U's lifecycle, there may be an additional 24 games that I'll want.
That's 48 games.
Why is everyone treating the Wii U like it's Paula Deen?
I suppose the question is if Wii Fit, Wii Play, and the other "Wii" series can bring back the casuals. I don't see an iOS or Android app that is basically a virtual trainer for you like Wii Fit is. They're all just check lists or pedometers. There is no active feedback of your progress.
If Nintendo markets the heck out of Wii Fit U, I think they can get some of that casual crowd back that will spend money on the latest fitness fad.
And that's kind of the thing: if you REALLY care about those games more and weren't just going to go PC for them then PS4/XB1 was going to be a better choice. BF4 at 60 FPS with 64 player maps? Those really WERE too damn big for just 24 or whatever it was on consoles, and with the exception of maybe CoD all of them will run way better on those consoles, and the only reason CoD's a possible exception is because it'll be hitting 60 FPS regardless and while the resolution SHOULD be higher it's arguable if it's even that big of a deal for the series. And in that instance it's the player bases you care about, not performance.
Watch_Dogs is the only one I'll seriously consider on Wii U over PS4, and if I can use the Vita exactly like the Game Pad ideally would AND it's very responsive then there's not much reason for Wii U if you're also an avid handheld fan.
EDIT: I also think people are missing the implication that if you're a mainstream gamer, possibly a "dudebro" then there's not much reason to get the Wii U over the others. Which admittedly held true with Wii anyway, but then with the casual audience it becomes a question of value versus a tablet or smartphone, and many of them may well be happier getting a Nexus 7 or an older iPad that's cheapish.
He's right.
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Game & Wario
Those are the Nintendo games on the system right now. Only one of those is a big franchise, and it was a franchise that saw a 3DS sequel a few months earlier. Nintendo home consoles aren't seen as investments in a new generation; gamers know third parties are going to focus on the PlayStation and the Xbox. Nintendo games sell Nintendo consoles, and right now the Wii U has very few. Nintendo hasn't given gamers any reason to buy now.
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Game & Wario
Those are the Nintendo games on the system right now. Only one of those is a big franchise, and it was a franchise that saw a 3DS sequel a few months earlier. Nintendo home consoles aren't seen as investments in a new generation; gamers know third parties are going to focus on the PlayStation and the Xbox. Nintendo games sell Nintendo consoles, and right now the Wii U has very few. Nintendo hasn't given gamers any reason to buy now.
freefornow
Gold Member
Neogaffer's response to Pachter's musings never disappoints
DerZuhälter
Member
Watch it, see the context of the quote and then rethink what you are posting or about to post. What he says isn't far fetched at all.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
English.
Statement 1.) [the only reason to buy Nintendo systems is always the Nintendo IPs in spite of a limited 3rd party library, and always has been]
Statement 2.) [except that's not true for many Nintendo systems, present and past]
Are you a prolific gamer?