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PAL Charts - Week 23, 2015

KingSnake

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Jan 9, 2013
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If we had a publicly available weekly top 30 chart with numbers for all main European countries, we constantly find messages on these threats saying that those markets are as doomed as the Japanese one.

I was just responding to the question of if lascar's number combined SKU.

And yes, outside of new releases sales are low at this time of year.

But that puts the 24k in a different perspective that the one discussed in the last thread.

Anyhow, let's see if it will have legs in Europe.

Indeed. They sell less than 8,000 units in the second week (36k total) and only hold on thanks to a lack of any new releases. A very, very niche Vita game charted, for crying out loud.

Between 7,766 and 11,959. And the Vita game being a new release you have created a paradox. 36k is probably more than 10% of the install base. Context is everything. It's not Splatoon's fault that the market is like it is.
 
Between 7,766 and 11,959. And the Vita game being a new release you have created a paradox. 36k is probably more than 10% of the install base. Context is everything. It's not Splatoon's fault that the market is like it is.

Selling your biggest new game in a year to 10% of the install base (not that it has, given that the UK install base is considerably more than 360k) isn't all that great when your recent and remaining retail lineup has been so thin, frankly.

And you're right, context is everything. It isn't Splatoon's fault that the market is like it is, but it's the fault of the posters that they think this is somehow an amazing turn of events and that Nintendo has suddenly learned how to market titles and that the Wii U will rise like a phoenix from the flames.
 

Cosmonaut X

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Jun 5, 2006
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Selling your biggest new game in a year to 10% of the install base (not that it has, given that the UK install base is considerably more than 360k) isn't all that great when your recent and remaining retail lineup has been so thin, frankly.

Do you have up-to-date and accurate figures for Wii U HW sales in the UK? Because AFAIK, we have nothing recent and only best guesses based on other markets and Nintendo's own figures to go on (and those don't suggest "considerably more than 360k", to be honest). If you have something accurate and up-to-date that would be really useful.

EDIT:

For context, I believe Nintendo's HW figures for France were ~510k at the beginning of 2015. That market is generally regarded as being - currently - stronger for Nintendo than the UK, and based on that and Germany HW sales and Nintendo's most recent sales figures in their financial presentations I would be very surprised if the UK userbase was more than ~450k. Is that what you mean by "considerably more", or do you have something more concrete that points to a far higher userbase?
 

jeffers

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Nov 18, 2012
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Selling your biggest new game in a year to 10% of the install base (not that it has, given that the UK install base is considerably more than 360k) isn't all that great when your recent and remaining retail lineup has been so thin, frankly.

And you're right, context is everything. It isn't Splatoon's fault that the market is like it is, but it's the fault of the posters that they think this is somehow an amazing turn of events and that Nintendo has suddenly learned how to market titles and that the Wii U will rise like a phoenix from the flames.

[Citation needed]. It's a new IP in a new genre for Nintendo, in a very different style than most people are used to... 10% is really not that bad an attach rate for 2 weeks... I think this is the context you are ignoring.
 

Jimmyfenix

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If people were saying splatoon is being marketed like mario kart or has the chance to be the next Mario kart then these numbers are not good.
 

Cosmonaut X

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If people were saying splatoon is being marketed like mario kart or has the chance to be the next Mario kart then these numbers are not good.

It's had a decent push, but I don't think it's comparable to MK8 (at least from my experience of both here in the UK). From memory, MK8 had a good-sized TV/print campaign, and Nintendo making a push to get retailers back onside (I'm sure there were MCV articles about this at the time, but I'd have to check). Splatoon hasn't had that - again, from what I've seen - but it has had the biggest push of any recent Wii U release since... Smash, I think?
 

NotLiquid

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If people were saying splatoon is being marketed like mario kart or has the chance to be the next Mario kart then these numbers are not good.

The thing that really defined Mario Kart 8 was more how long it was being advertised since Nintendo said they were committing for a year-long ordeal when that game came out. For the most of the part the advertising is more readily apparent in North America as opposed to the UK where the game had theater adverts, the whole mess fest shindig, kids channel adverts, and Canada even had mall statues. It would be silly to assume that Nintendo expected Splatoon to do as good as Mario Kart in spite of that. In the UK it'll get bundled later in the month and the content stream speaks more of sustaining numbers. If Splatoon can hold up it's legs, that's what eventually matters.

I'd say the numbers are fine for now.
 

EGOMON

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Jul 26, 2013
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Why would you buy a game of certain genre when you already have one of same genre
 

LOCK

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Jun 26, 2006
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Splatoon is doing fine. The legs are the most important for these types of games. Seems to have developed nice ones so far.

Same for W3.
 

El-Suave

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Mario Kart had a free game promotion - no amount of other advertising can beat an effort like that. I bought the game for the extra free one without owning a Wii U back then.
 

Conduit

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I played an RPG the other day. I will never buy another.

Yeah! Fuck DkS and DkS2, Bloodborne, Witcher 3. I play Demon's all the time. New Game++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 

gtj1092

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Splatoon is doing fine. The legs are the most important for these types of games. Seems to have developed nice ones so far.

Same for W3.

Its been on sale for what 2 weeks. Might be a bit premature.
 

Kresnik258

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What's surprising to me about Steins;Gate Vita is that the game hasn't even been stocked in most places I've checked. The two Grainger Games near me haven't stocked any copies at all; the 2 GAME stores I've been in since it came out only had the PS3 LE in stock. Amazon.co.uk ran out of stock before release and Zavvi haven't been honoring a fair few pre-orders due to not getting a shipment in.

Not that the numbers are particularly good even with that chart position, but it's still surprising to me, considering a lot of readily-able-to-find copies of NIS games and the like never seem to chart.
 
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So, with first two weeks in UK, first week in France and first week in Japan, Splatoon is at 203.000 units minumum.

If it managed ~60.000 in it's second week in Japan and with the rest of Europe it should be above 300.000 units without the USA.

Could hit 500.000 units by the end of this week (worldwide).


Let's see if it has legs beyond that. ;)
 

CaviarMeths

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So, with first two weeks in UK, first week in France and first week in Japan, Splatoon is at 203.000 units minumum.

If it managed ~60.000 in it's second week in Japan and with the rest of Europe it should be above 300.000 units without the USA.

Could hit 500.000 units by the end of this week (worldwide).


Let's see if it has legs beyond that. ;)

It's probably over 500k right now, when you think of it. That 203k is using week old numbers for both France and Japan. It's probably closer to 275k in those three countries by now, 60k in Japan and 12k in France second week. Maybe 320k with the rest of Europe, Germany of course being the biggest chunk of that. North America would only have to be 180k through the first 10 days to make 500k, and that's not counting digital, which Nintendo always seems to do in their PR.
 

ZhugeEX

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May 23, 2013
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It's probably over 500k right now, when you think of it. That 203k is using week old numbers for both France and Japan. It's probably closer to 275k in those three countries by now, 60k in Japan and 12k in France second week. Maybe 320k with the rest of Europe, Germany of course being the biggest chunk of that. North America would only have to be 180k through the first 10 days to make 500k, and that's not counting digital, which Nintendo always seems to do in their PR.

Maybe if we all clap our hands and believe!
 

twothunder

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Splatoon second week. Nice to see it hanging on. Hope it can find decent legs.

Both. Around 1/3 of the 24k is the amiibo bundle.

Thank you for clearing that up.

If people were saying splatoon is being marketed like mario kart or has the chance to be the next Mario kart then these numbers are not good.

Expecting Splatoon to be the next Mario Kart is pretty crazy. Just marketing like Mario Kart can't compare to a series of games with nostalgia. Played by millions in other entries and has Mario and co to leech from. Splatoon starting on the Wii-U doesn't help it either.

I would consider it a big success if Splatoon hits 800K to 1 million WW LTD.
Again. It's far to early for that though. It will be interesting to see numbers in a few months time. Hopefully released by Nintendo themselves.

Mario Kart had a free game promotion - no amount of other advertising can beat an effort like that. I bought the game for the extra free one without owning a Wii U back then.

I too bought a Wii-U Mario Kart bundle + free game. That was a nice deal.

Great to see The Witcher 3 doing well.
It really seems to be doing amazing.
 
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Italy:
01. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (Namco, PS4)
02. FIFA 15 (EA, PS3)
03. Splatoon (Nintendo, Wii U)
04. FIFA 15 (EA, PS4)
05. Grand Theft Auto V (Rockstar, PS4)
06. Minecraft (Sony, PS4)
07. Minecraft (Sony, PS3)
08. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (Namco, Xbox One)
09. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Bundle (Namco, PS4)
10. Splatoon + amiibo (Nintendo, Wii U)

http://multiplayer.it/notizie/15107...31-maggio-la-vernice-non-ferma-lo-strigo.html



Italy May 2015:
01. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (Namco Bandai, PS4)
02. Project CARS (Namco Bandai, PS4)
03. Mortal Kombat X (Warner Bros., PS4)
04. FIFA 15 (EA, PS4)
05. Grand Theft Auto V (Rockstar, PS4)
06. Minecraft (Sony, PS3)
07. Minecraft (Sony, PS4)
08. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (Namco, Xbox One)
09. FIFA 15 (EA, PS3)
10. Minecraft (Microsoft, Xbox 360)

http://multiplayer.it/notizie/15108...maggio-2015-gta-v-affianca-the-witcher-3.html
 
Mar 9, 2015
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Witcher 3 putting in some work. Very interested to see what kind of business it did here stateside, and whether it moved some consoles (I'm betting it did).
 
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Splatoon is doing fine. The legs are the most important for these types of games. Seems to have developed nice ones so far.

...It's week two and experienced a 50% drop, if the 'legs' keep going like that, it'll cross the finish line south of 50k. I don't think that fits the criteria of 'nice legs'
 

KingSnake

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Jan 9, 2013
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...It's week two and experienced a 50% drop, if the 'legs' keep going like that, it'll cross the finish line south of 50k. I don't think that fits the criteria of 'nice legs'

So, how much do you think a decent decrease from 1st week to 2nd week normally is?
 

DrWong

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...It's week two and experienced a 50% drop, if the 'legs' keep going like that, it'll cross the finish line south of 50k. I don't think that fits the criteria of 'nice legs'

It fits the criteria of "nice second week" in a world of 70% drop. Legs don't mean "keep selling like it's launch day". And I'm sure the Splatoon Wii U sku coming next week will help (and the upcoming content).
 

cluderi

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How long has Minecraft 360 been in that chart? It seems like aeons.

There is no PAL chart and never has been, it's simply a ranking of how 360 Minecraft is selling in the UK with other games for scale and will continue until the end of time.