Palestinian teens shot dead in West Bank by Israel Troops, CCTV captures footage

[coldfoot]

Uh, no. I know you are probably just trolling by making an excessively stupid and simplistic argument with no reasoning behind it, but I'll give a serious reply anyway.

An outright general ban on religion would most likely lead to a new government led cult. It requires a breakdown of the separation of church and state which would likely lead to a new government/political cult as the only way to do this is to police the thoughts of your populace. Basically, all the sections of our bill of rights ensuring freedom of thought and expression would fall like a house of cards. Rather than cults of idiots following ancient gods, you end up with one big all powerful cult following a political leader or political party backed by the full power of the government. If you aren't allowed to come to religious conclusions on your own, you might as well install a dictator.

I said regulated, because banning is probably not feasible. These kids died because of religion, plain and simple.
If you have a religion you should not be allowed to:

-Own or use a firearm
-Vote or hold public office

Other than that, feel free to believe whatever, it's not illegal, just regulated. Like alcohol or drugs. The fate of the human race is too important to allow simple, gullible minds to influence it.

 

[LNBL]

I said regulated, because banning is probably not feasible. These kids died because of religion, plain and simple.
If you have a religion you should not be allowed to:

-Own or use a firearm
-Vote or hold public office

Other than that, feel free to believe whatever, it's not illegal, just regulated. Like alcohol or drugs. The fate of the human race is too important to allow simple, gullible minds to influence it.

They figt because of their oppression and not just because of religion as you say.

 

[Hale-XF11]

Greed, misery and religion.

And fear.

 

[Particle Physicist]

How are you connecting the protests and shooting? Have you seen any footage of the protesters shooting?

The only video that I have seen, shows the teenages throwing rocks with catapults. But that is not what is happening in the video in which he was killed.

If that is what people think I was implying I apologize. That is not what I meant. I haven't seen any footage of the protests, but I don't think anyone has. I know that the Israeli army stated that they were only shooting non-lethal rounds, but as we all know that could be a lie. There may have also been protestors shooting, but who knows. I was just saying that those kids may not have actually been targeted and may have been hit by stray bullets but who knows. The point I was making was that we don't have enough info with just the videos to know exactly what happened.

 

[coldfoot]

They figt because of their oppression and not just because of religion as you say.

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

 

[Kadayi]

In any case, the situation there is so untenable that it seems only a matter of time before either full out bloody revolution or the establishment of a bonafide Palestinian state. The Palestinians, as well as the Israeli left (and even some moderates) realize how impossible the status quo is to maintain. Increasing international isolation is all but certain, hopefully achieving what it did for apartheid South Africa (but with a better aftermath, I hope).

Israel is under the protection of the US government which has vetoed a number of UN bills relating to actions by Israel with regard to the Palestinians over the years.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Without the perpetual vetos the UN would of moved in and re-established the boundaries decades ago.

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

^ So much this.

You watch Cosmos and consider how frikken big and old the universe is and how utterly insignificant earth is in the grand scheme of things and you're left SMH at these people killing each other simply because their caught up mistaking themselves for something other than human beings at the end of the day.....

 

[Terra]

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

Thank you.

 

[LNBL]

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

You call it a shitty piece of desert, they call it their rightful homeland.

 

[Balphon]

I said regulated, because banning is probably not feasible. These kids died because of religion, plain and simple.
If you have a religion you should not be allowed to:

-Own or use a firearm
-Vote or hold public office

Other than that, feel free to believe whatever, it's not illegal, just regulated. Like alcohol or drugs. The fate of the human race is too important to allow simple, gullible minds to influence it.

Prejudice is fun!

 

[Jotaka]

You call it a shitty piece of desert, they call it their rightful homeland.

so what? If you use these logic all "american" immigrants need to pack their bags and go back to Europe.

 

[LNBL]

so what? If you use these logic all "american" immigrants need to pack their bags and go back to Europe.

So what?

These people are not willing to let go of their ideas and believes. Don't see how your example is comparable.

 

[coldfoot]

So what?

These people are not willing to let go of their ideas and believes. Don't see how your example is comparable.

Those beliefs do not objectively result in a positive net gain for those people. The sooner they realize that, the better off they'll be.

 

[coldfoot]

Prejudice is fun!

It's not prejudice when backed by actual data.

 

[Balphon]

It's not prejudice when backed by actual data.

At least you're open about your bigotry, I'll give you that.

 

[not_so_special]

It doesn't have to be that close. Bullets can travel pretty far. It also doesn't look like a protest is going on in that location like the article mentioned. Listen, I am not laying blame one way or another but there is not nearly enough information about this video to know exactly what happened. I have seen multiple times already were stories about videos like these turn out to be wrong. There was one with a boy and his father supposedly being shot at by Israeli troops. Turns out they were stuck in the middle of a firefight and the Israeli troops were actually on the other side of them. Another video supposedly showed a Palestinian teen or college aged kid getting shot at by Israeli troops but it turned out the kid was Israeli and the troops were trying to protect him.

Just saying, blame and accusations seem to be quickly thrown around all the time before we know all the details.


Hell, maybe it was a crazy ass settler shooting at kids from afar. Either way, the video doesn't really show who did the shooting.

come on dude...that was well directed shots..sniper fire from a bored israeli soldier

 

[coldfoot]

At least you're open about your bigotry, I'll give you that.

Reality is a bigot to religion.

 

[Dopus]

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

Religion is one of the many reasons they're fighting one another. I'm not quite sure whether to take your posts seriously or whether I should just ignore them altogether.

Religion is used as one of many excuses and reasons as to why people or nations commit certain acts. Take it away and people will find another reason or excuse.

 

[OverBlood 3]

I feel so sorry for Palestine, fucking Israel.

 

[coldfoot]

Religion is one of the many reasons they're fighting one another. I'm not quite sure whether to take your posts seriously or whether I should just ignore them altogether.

Religion is used as one of many excuses and reasons as to why people or nations commit certain acts. Take it away and people will find another reason or excuse.

It's the chief reason why they're warring with one another. No other excuse for war is a dogma, which means it's unquestionable, and people will stop falling for it eventually. Not so with religion.

 

[Sneds]

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

No. You're wrong.

If you were evicted by force from your home and turned into a refugee you wouldn't fight to go back home?

 

[dripdripsplash]

Religion is the reason they're fighting over a shitty piece of desert over looking for a different place to live. They got to have THAT piece of land because its holy or whatever bullshit they believe in, while Canada, or any other sparsely populated country is freaking empty practically.

This is so crappy a post it's amazing.

It's their rightful homeland. No just make em move to Canada ... Do you know how stupid this sounds

 

[effzee]

It's the chief reason why they're warring with one another. No other excuse for war is a dogma, which means it's unquestionable, and people will stop falling for it eventually. Not so with religion.

Is this for real?

Someone moves in and takes a people's land and they should just give up and move to another place?

Why? At this point its far less to do with religion then just being cheated out of land.

You think if you remove religion there will be no wars or conflict in the world?

Right before I post I see this guy is banned.

I can't believe people think like this.

 

[zeroOman]

They figt because of their oppression and not just because of religion as you say.

U are right if u read the history like before intifada.... u will find pace and less hate....

 

[Messofanego]

Wow, that was hard to watch. Life gone just like that.

 

[Particle Physicist]

come on dude...that was well directed shots..sniper fire from a bored israeli soldier

While it may be true, there is no way for you to know that. I saw someone get hit by a stray bullet in front of me once. It freaken seemed like it was targeted but it was just random shit luck. Since you can't actually see the shooter, you can't really say if it was directed or not.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

 

[Spongebob]

Tragic.

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

You are rather naive.

 

[ginger ninja]

thread bringing about all the usual moronic responses so far, now we just gotta wait for someone to pop in and call it anti semitic and baby we got a stew going..

On topic: Absolutely terrible

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

Wow the guy was fucking walking away. That's fucked up.

 

[Particle Physicist]

thread bringing about all the usual moronic responses so far, now we just gotta wait for someone to pop in and call it anti semitic and baby we got a stew going..

On topic: Absolutely terrible

Are you taking about my posts? No need to start insulting people. It seems like whenever anyone attempts to have a rational discussion instead of just posting emotionally you get labeled an Israeli sympathizer Zionist, yadada. Also, the only time I tend to see anti-semitism being brought up in a thread like this is when someone says, 'oh boy, can't wait till someone pulls the anti-semetism card!' No offense, but when I see people preempt the racism card, I tend to think they are racist.

 

[Shaanyboi]

just cold-blooded murder

fucking horrible

 

[Apath]

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

Just like everywhere else, there are good people and bad. Is it so hard to believe that this was the deliberate action of a cold blood killer(s)?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Just like everywhere else, there are good people and bad. Is it so hard to believe that this was the deliberate action of a cold blood killer(s)?

I once met a Canadian that was moving to Israel and joining the army in order to kill some 'A-Rabs.' It made me sick to my stomach hearing him talk. There are definitely crazy fucks there.

 

[AuthenticM]

Is this for real?

Someone moves in and takes a people's land and they should just give up and move to another place?

Why? At this point its far less to do with religion then just being cheated out of land.

You think if you remove religion there will be no wars or conflict in the world?

Right before I post I see this guy is banned.

I can't believe people think like this.

Palestinians are the ones getting evicted by the Israelis, not the other way around.

Nobody says or thinks that removing religion from our world would eradicate wars, so stop with the strawman. What it would do is remove one of the sources of endless conflicts that have been plaguing our species. The benefits would massively outweigh the drawbacks.

In any case, I hope these two teens and their families get justice, but somehow I doubt it.

 

[m_shortpants]

Typical for life in the occupied territories.

The US should be ashamed of itself. It's hard to take the "freedom and justice for all" shpeal for any more than a farce when we consistently veto any resolution to action. You can almost see how people in the world would become disillusioned with US rhetoric when we support countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And the UN pisses me off. The UN should've taken action in Syria months ago. But no, because Russia and China blocked that the people there continue to suffer.

 

[Lamel]

I love the derail already on the first page.

This is murder and intentional, anyone with eyes can see that. Let's not act so naive here, we know what is going on. Palestinians will respond in some irrational way (and I can't really blame them), and Israel will bomb them back into submission. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

Also I love the hidden defense force in this thread.

 

[Relique]

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

You can't just justify taking a life by saying it's a mistake. You are not allowed to make mistakes when using firearms. Period. Why would anyone be allowed to pull the trigger unless they are absolutely certain is beyond me.
Even if we pretend this was a mistake, these things have been happening for decades. It's just that now more people have smartphones with a camera that these acts come to light.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Zionists are heading toward the same path as Nazis

 

[curlyfriski]

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

I can't wait for you to explain how burning a sixteen year old alive was just a mistake.

 

[nib95]

Picking off and shooting dead two, unarmed young teenagers a mistake? Really? I mean really?

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

I see this has been bumped, and it seems that the video has been denounced as doctored and not reflecting the actual events. Before anyone starts claiming that the IDF is just covering for its soldiers, remember that full investigations have been launched and many arrested in regards to recent events such as the brutal revenge murder of the Palestinian teenager last week.

I can't wait for you to explain how burning a sixteen year old alive was just a mistake.

You are disgusting. I was right to wait for more evidence, and the Palestinian side did not produce any more. There is also a world of difference between the notion that an army authorised soldiers to take pot shots at children and that of despicable murderers working alone. Nothing EVER justifies murdering innocent children and Israelis know that just as much as anyone else in the world. At least Israel has been swift to arrest suspects, while Hamas promises even more kidnappings and launches hundreds of rockets which also fail to discriminate between innocent and combatant.

 

[Chumly]

I see this has been bumped, and it seems that the video has been denounced as doctored and not reflecting the actual events. Before anyone starts claiming that the IDF is just covering for its soldiers, remember that full investigations have been launched and many arrested in regards to recent events such as the brutal revenge murder of the Palestinian teenager last week.
You are disgusting. I was right to wait for more evidence, and the Palestinian side did not produce any more. There is also a world of difference between the notion that an army authorised soldiers to take pot shots at children and that of despicable murderers working alone. Nothing EVER justifies murdering innocent children and Israelis know that just as much as anyone else in the world. At least Israel has been swift to arrest suspects, while Hamas promises even more kidnappings and launches hundreds of rockets which also fail to discriminate between innocent and combatant.

Im just curious what shows this as being doctored and not reflecting the actual events.

Responding to the new video, the IDF Spokesperson Unit said, "On Thursday, an illegal and violent disturbance occurred in Beitunia. The said video is edited in a tendentious manner and does not reflect the level of violence that occurred at the disturbance."

Is a pretty vague comment and doesn't contradict the fact that unarmed teens were shot and killed. I don't see anything that excuses what actually happened.

 

[speculawyer]

Yeah, but how are we gonna get Jesus to come back?

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Im just curious what shows this as being doctored and not reflecting the actual events.


Is a pretty vague comment and doesn't contradict the fact that unarmed teens were shot and killed. I don't see anything that excuses what actually happened.

But we don't know what actually happened. The way the two fell onto their palms for example isn't contingent with live sniper fire, and the IDF has found no evidence live fire was even used. They want to make an investigation but they haven't been given access to the bodies nor anything else that would indicate what ammunition was allegedly used. Obviously if there is evidence of foul play then I hope the IDF will be given access so they can find and discipline the culprits, but it seems fishy. Let us not forget there have been numerous examples of doctored/ fabricated footage in this conflict and it is wise - not barbaric or apologetic - to wait for material evidence.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Unless you believe Israelis are inherently cold blooded killers, I can't see how you could believe this was anything other than a tragic mistake. And mistakes happen a lot in tense conditions where militant acts are rife and humans - not calculating fearless robots - are put under pressure.

Hopefully a full investigation is under way and if these deaths are shown to be the result of negligence or worse, the perpetrators will face justice. Despite what you might hint of Israel, rogue or inept soldiers have been prosecuted numerous times. Hell even commanders and ex Presidents have been found guilty of crimes in Israel.

Not Israelis but a lot of IDF are cold blooded killers who usually target all Palestinians in a broad circle with no sense of collateral or morals. They are like drones with morals which have been switched off by IDF leadership

But we don't know what actually happened. The way the two fell onto their palms for example isn't contingent with live sniper fire, and the IDF has found no evidence live fire was even used. They want to make an investigation but they haven't been given access to the bodies nor anything else that would indicate what ammunition was allegedly used. Obviously if there is evidence of foul play then I hope the IDF will be given access so they can find and discipline the culprits, but it seems fishy. Let us not forget there have been numerous examples of doctored/ fabricated footage in this conflict and it is wise - not barbaric or apologetic - to wait for material evidence.

How can thousands of Palestinian teen lives be doctored and fabricated. At least admit idf has the worst collateral damage track record of a democratic elected nations army

 

[Ponn]

But we don't know what actually happened. The way the two fell onto their palms for example isn't contingent with live sniper fire, and the IDF has found no evidence live fire was even used. They want to make an investigation but they haven't been given access to the bodies nor anything else that would indicate what ammunition was allegedly used. Obviously if there is evidence of foul play then I hope the IDF will be given access so they can find and discipline the culprits, but it seems fishy. Let us not forget there have been numerous examples of doctored/ fabricated footage in this conflict and it is wise - not barbaric or apologetic - to wait for material evidence.

DIdn't they claim similar film doctoring with the recent florida teen beating, then another video appeared showing they were lying?

 

[Chumly]

But we don't know what actually happened. The way the two fell onto their palms for example isn't contingent with live sniper fire, and the IDF has found no evidence live fire was even used. They want to make an investigation but they haven't been given access to the bodies nor anything else that would indicate what ammunition was allegedly used. Obviously if there is evidence of foul play then I hope the IDF will be given access so they can find and discipline the culprits, but it seems fishy. Let us not forget there have been numerous examples of doctored/ fabricated footage in this conflict and it is wise - not barbaric or apologetic - to wait for material evidence.

So what... The Palestinians killed these teenagers? I'm not sure what your getting at that could excuse the killing of them. I mean even if it did originally show them throwing rocks and it was edited out. It's not like that excuses what happened.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

So what... The Palestinians killed these teenagers? I'm not sure what your getting at that could excuse the killing of them. I mean even if it did originally show them throwing rocks and it was edited out. It's not like that excuses what happened.

All I'm saying is that if two Palestinian teens were shot and killed by the IDF and the families and community wanted justice, they could quite easily provide the proof and common sense dictates this video alone is insufficient proof.

 

[Chichikov]

But we don't know what actually happened. The way the two fell onto their palms for example isn't contingent with live sniper fire, and the IDF has found no evidence live fire was even used. They want to make an investigation but they haven't been given access to the bodies nor anything else that would indicate what ammunition was allegedly used. Obviously if there is evidence of foul play then I hope the IDF will be given access so they can find and discipline the culprits, but it seems fishy. Let us not forget there have been numerous examples of doctored/ fabricated footage in this conflict and it is wise - not barbaric or apologetic - to wait for material evidence.

There was an autopsy with Israeli and international observers and it points to live ammo.
There is also video of Israeli soldiers firing just before the kid was shot.

But keep grinding those badges.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

There was an autopsy with Israeli and international observers and it points to live ammo.
There is also video of Israeli soldiers firing just before the kid was shot.

But keep grinding those badges.

can you not with the jewish part of that?