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Patrick Klepek: Sony possibly looking at increasing Neo specs due to Scorpio
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Yes, people thinking this is 2017 will be disappointed.
Obliterator
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Patrick and Austin say outright they have multiple sources confirming it. So yeah its real
Dinky Dino
Member
Imo, they wanted the neo out for a higher fidelity vr as there's no other good reason to release an upgrade this early given their sales weren't declining. Though if they release another one a year after scorpio, ms will follow up with another a year later. Pretty much a spec war. Plenty of people look to the most powerful console just for bragging rights alone.
Did I say something controversial?
The entire idea of Scorpio is 4k gaming. That is the sum total of the entire pitch. They consulted with devs to find out what specs they need to make that happen. Whatever the specs required are, that's what they'll be. They can't go back on this.
My understanding is that the Neo, with it's same old CPU and 4.2TF GPU, will not have that same capability. Am I uninformed here?
Yes, perhaps some PS+ indiexcrement will run at 4k but that's hardly what the mass market is buying new powerful games consoles for.
Seeing as 4k gaming is the Scorpio's reason to exist and selling point I imagine MS will make the specs whatever is required. That's my assumption.
Theonik
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Cooling and yields actually. Under-clocking parts allow you to use a wider spectrum of your binned parts. Same reason why console chips often disable a core off the design.
Because they're not done with PS4 yet. PS5 will come when the market is ready for it. Until then, you're getting PS4 games on various PS4 configs.
This. They'd maybe get in the 5-5.5TF range if they push it to Q1/Q2 2017.
And it wouldn't crowd out the PSVR, too.
-ImaginaryInsider
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We don't know how aggressive their cooling solution is, or what options they really have for ram upgrades, whether they can squeeze more in or go with a newer type, so maybe it is possible to get a decent bump.
I'm not convinced they need to have a 5 teraflop Neo, they can likely spin what they already have and be completely fine for the remainder of the generation regardless of what Scorpio is packing.
I'm not convinced they need to have a 5 teraflop Neo, they can likely spin what they already have and be completely fine for the remainder of the generation regardless of what Scorpio is packing.
Honestly that's the first thing I thought of when I read the topic lol
I don't mind the extra juice, but I think the right release window is a lot more important for Neo's success, but that's just my take on it.
Pretty much but the transition to Zen would be both extremely expensive right now and likely not ready until next year.
Excited to see what they have in a few weeks.
Obliterator
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Yep no doubt. They may have been able to overcome those problems though. I won't be surprised if we see some clock improvements. Its not unheard of, the Xbone's CPU for example got an upclock
ArkhamFantasy
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Of course its going to use DS4, and you can just put your Witcher 3 save on a USB stick or in the cloud. Neo is a PS4.
VR isn't even referenced in the leaked documentation for Neo. It'll provide benefits to it of course but it's not the driving factor.
Theonik
Member
Let's wait to see what they actually bring out and whether people end up actually caring shall we?
Krappadizzle
Member
Competition is awesome. Hope it's true.
Just like we've been reading from journalists and MS fanboys that power doesn't matter at all (even though it was a pretty big deal last generation between ports).
Fanboys gonna fanboy.
Alebrije
Member
Well, it seems they will stay out of the home console race soon
Simply Sami
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Too late. They should have really looked at releasing it in March next year.
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Yeah, they are making all the right moves.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed.
Of course, frame the same thing we knew before the Scorpio, with it mentioned as a "worry", and BAM, more bickering over the same thing we already went through.
Hopefully more info will come out, rather than that one sentence.
ShadowFox08
Member
They could always delay neo to march 17
Too late? it haven't even been announced yet wtf lol!
There's been talk about them exploring a higher spec option since the first leak, before there were any rumbling about Scorpio. Whatever sources they heard from seem to have put their own spin on it. Regardless, due to the September 7th event being pretty much confirmed at this point, it's gonna be the 4.2TF spec, people expecting the upgraded 5.5TF spec are going to be disappointed.
What's the alternative, exactly? Intel? Not a chance. Sony's only choice, like Microsoft's is to use a AMD APU as Puma still isn't ready to go in this configuration and Zen is months out. This leaves Jaguar as the only possibility.
Obliterator
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I think they may have had some ideas / plans on how to make a couple improvements anyways and the Scorpio reveal was just that final push they needed to go ahead and go with them.
Theonik
Member
Don't forget though, the X1 did sell for $100 more at launch and they had significant trouble meeting even the modest demand it had at launch. (X1 also had much worse problems than just clocks limiting its yields though)
X1 was also using quite a beefy cooling solution that makes a clock bump more practical since that also allows you to use lesser chips at the expense of power consumption.
e: Controller is an interesting question. I can see Sony making a more premium controller and bundling it with Neo since it will be a premium SKU.
You misunderstand me. I was leaning towards Scorpio over Neo due to the power difference.
Bubba_Sparks
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Given the fact that Microsoft has almost a full year to make their own changes, how exactly would this work in Sony's favour?
Best they could do in a pinch is overclock by 10 - 15 percent. They can't change the chips, but they can be more selective with yields, and they can add a little more expensive cooling.
I agree the CPU is going to be the big problem in the future. It's already a huge bottleneck and not upgrading the architecture is going to hurt long term.
I agree the CPU is going to be the big problem in the future. It's already a huge bottleneck and not upgrading the architecture is going to hurt long term.
Silent Chief
Member
Like they did for the One? How much time did they have to up the specs on that?
I believe that the only thing that matters is the selling price.
Overclocking the GPU by 33% seems like an impossibility. The machine would melt and/or the fan would spin so loudly the PS4 would literally take off. At this point I think an overclock would be all they could do though. But probably not by 33%.
johnnydrama
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Not even on page 4 and this is already exactly like the dozen other Neo/Scorpio threads we have. Always the same conversations going in circles.
It wouldn't, and Sony knows this, which is why this "worry" isn't true.
Game theory. Anticipate competitor's moves.
Game theory. Anticipate competitor's moves.
InsaneTiger
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Call me dumb, call me insane, but wouldn't a dedicated GPU give better performance than these SoC chips?
Proelite
Member
They can bump up the clocks and the GDDR5 bandwidth by 5-10%. The problem is that Polaris is a pretty big flop perf/watt wise, so they'll be getting into diminishing returns territory really soon. I am expecting something like 4.8 to 5.0 teraflops total SOC power in the end so they can claim nearly 5 teraflops, which doesn't sound so bad as 4 v 6.
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