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Paul Ryan: Health care plan must change to pass the House
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StopMakingSense
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Change to pass the house, and make it even more toxic to the Senate. Good plan!
RPGCrazied
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This administration is a mess, so are Republicans. Are they going to be in constant turmoil?
BoogieWoogie
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Man the hits really keep on coming today eh?
Get fucked Ryan.
This is best case scenario at this point, outside of full blown impeachment of Trump.
Get fucked Ryan.
This is best case scenario at this point, outside of full blown impeachment of Trump.
Saucycarpdog
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Wonder how they're changing it. More liberal policies or more conservative policies?
They have all the power, yet criminally incompetent. They had almost a decade to create a plan and when it came to shine they fumbled hard.
Nah, it needs speed holes.
Dead Prince
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Who knew it'd be complicated
Aeriscloud
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All these beautiful L's while they have all the power.
LookAtMeGo
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Literally nobody.
Nobody. Nobody knew
It's funny because it seems like there was a good amount of republicans who didn't like the bill because it didn't go far enough to the right. Push it further to the right and the bigger the public outcry. Push it further to the left and more republicans will oppose it. The republicans are a joke right now.
Its the safe super right-wing districts vs narrowly won seats. And nothing else really, if a majority of the seats were ultra safe, it would have already past the House by now. The vunerable seats are terrified of both primaries from their own party (attacking them for taking away health care) AND an election were the Democrat can just attack them with the healthcare vote forever.
Dash_Riprock
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Today just keeps getting better and better.
SparkleMotion
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Yep.
Permanently A
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You can literally not believe a single fucking thing this man says. He flip flops harder than a fish out of water.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Man, who would have thought that governing would be hard? Must miss the days where they could just sit around and say no to everything.
BoogieWoogie
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There's literally no way they can win this regardless of the outcome. Delicious time.
If they move the bill to the left, the Freedom Caucus will revolt, and they have enough votes to scuttle it. So they have to move the bill to the right. But they can't move it any further to the right without kicking even more people off insurance, and they can't add provisions like sale over state lines because it's not allowed via reconciliation. So wtf are they going to do, are they just winging it?
I remember the halcyon days when Trump said this beautiful bill was coming to his desk unchanged ... I think that was 3 days ago
I remember the halcyon days when Trump said this beautiful bill was coming to his desk unchanged ... I think that was 3 days ago
If they want to change it positively they should (but won't) add a public option.
I believe there is a lot of merit to the Republican argument that Medicare is no better treatment plan for sick elderly people. Studies have shown that geriatrics on Medicare live to the same age as those without it.
If Republicans really want to cut Medicare, they must incorporate a public option which allows for proactive and preventative healthcare measures, such as easy access to mental health services, subsidies for gym and fitness plans, and possible tax exempt status for certain healthy foods for public option enrollees. Such a program would likely lower health care costs for elderly people considerably once those people reach AARP age.
That said, such a plan to cut Medicare would have to be slowly cut over a long period of time, while the public option would have to be enacted immediately. I doubt a Republican or Democrat would favor such measures.
I believe there is a lot of merit to the Republican argument that Medicare is no better treatment plan for sick elderly people. Studies have shown that geriatrics on Medicare live to the same age as those without it.
If Republicans really want to cut Medicare, they must incorporate a public option which allows for proactive and preventative healthcare measures, such as easy access to mental health services, subsidies for gym and fitness plans, and possible tax exempt status for certain healthy foods for public option enrollees. Such a program would likely lower health care costs for elderly people considerably once those people reach AARP age.
That said, such a plan to cut Medicare would have to be slowly cut over a long period of time, while the public option would have to be enacted immediately. I doubt a Republican or Democrat would favor such measures.
Dreadnought
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Paul Ryan is an ideological clown who is only motivated by enacting flagrantly regressive policies.
The entire House GOP became so entrenched in their knee-jerk opposition to Obama that they lost all capacity for serious legislation and policy analysis.
The Freedom Caucus and the Senate are irreconcilably divided on this issue.
There is no ideological center of gravity for the republicans on health care because not enough of them take is seriously as an issue and they've already staked out a hard line opposition to their best chance at a compromise.
The lack of seriousness on policymaking, combined with their rigid opposition to everything Obama ever touched, will force them to continue to put themselves on the record supporting shit policies that make life worse for Americans everywhere.
People remember Iraq and Katrina, but the issue that irrevocably broke Bush was his effort to take away entitlements.
The entire House GOP became so entrenched in their knee-jerk opposition to Obama that they lost all capacity for serious legislation and policy analysis.
The Freedom Caucus and the Senate are irreconcilably divided on this issue.
There is no ideological center of gravity for the republicans on health care because not enough of them take is seriously as an issue and they've already staked out a hard line opposition to their best chance at a compromise.
The lack of seriousness on policymaking, combined with their rigid opposition to everything Obama ever touched, will force them to continue to put themselves on the record supporting shit policies that make life worse for Americans everywhere.
People remember Iraq and Katrina, but the issue that irrevocably broke Bush was his effort to take away entitlements.
BlastProcessing
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Aaron Strife
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Vegetable Lasagna
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I can't figure out Ryan and the Republican's strategy doing this, but it was never about passing a better health care legislation. All that mattered was that they could say Obamacare was repealed. Sounds like a losing outcome no matter if their bill got through or not, so where were they exactly going with this?
Dog chasing car actually manages to latch onto the bumper. Your guess is as good as theirs.
I honestly wish they weren't having this infighting right now and would just pass the shitty bill as is as soon as possible. They have poisoned ACA for 8 years and this is their put up or shut up moment. They are going to replace ACA no matter what, there is no stopping that at this point. And whatever they put in place is going to fail unless they go single payer which is not an option for them. So get this shit out there and let them wallow in it and let voters feel the effect by mid terms so this is fresh in their heads.
BlastProcessing
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I spent some time trying to puzzle out what the hell Ryan is doing here and I finally settled on this. He is completely incompetent. He is a shitty small time politician who has managed to constantly fail his way up. He is in over his head.
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