Stumpokapow said:
Because we are your consumers and we are telling you that we don't take kindly on-disc paid DLC.
Just because you claim something doesn't make it true. I asked what about the practise was dishonest in response to a claim it was, and nobody has pointed to where there is a
lie.
I'm not sure why you persistently participate in consumer-rights oriented threads. We get it, your stance is that developers need to do what developers need to do to survive. You're a developer. You don't want to lose your job. You want your products do well. Everyone gets it.
I participate in these threads for a couple of reasons
- to present my own viewpoint (I like to put forward my point of view, like most contributing members of this forum)
- to present one viewpoint of "industry" to raise consumer understanding of where industry is coming from on issues (I like to help people understand things, both personally and professionally)
- to gain a deeper understanding of the behaviours and motivations of consumers (I like to understand things, both personally and professionally)
If you assume any other reason, then you are projecting and assuming incorrectly.
But you consistently and flippantly dismiss any sort of consumer-oriented argument. It doesn't matter what thread, it doesn't matter who is making them. If it's something that tips the consumer-producer relationship in favour of consumers, you oppose it. We know.
I present my viewpoint or an industry Devil's Advocate viewpoint. I do so in a generally respectful way that doesn't usually descend into personal attacks. I do it in such a way that draws on personal experience and actual examples, but at the same time isn't about pimping our products. I do so with full disclosure of my identity and do not hide behind a veil of internet anonymity.
I do not consistently dismiss consumer arguments, though if presented with a weak argument I may present the holes in it. What I consistently do is present my own viewpoint, just like everyone else. What I consistently do is ask questions to explore the issues. Sometimes people answer them. Sometimes people avoid them.
Would you personally prefer I didn't contribute to such threads at all so you have no such industry perspective and consumers alone could argue amongst themselves? Personally I don't see why I don't have as much right to contribute as anyone else on these forums.
You have to recognize, a priori to any discussion here, that consumers do not like getting less when they used to get more and they do not like paying more when they used to pay less and that consumers not liking these two things are important mechanisms by which capitalism continues to operate.
I do recognise that. I want a deeper understanding of the issue.
Great, you don't find it dishonest that you are able to charge for content that's on the disc. Consumers are telling you, live and in person, that they do find it dishonest.
And I'm trying to find out why.
And while I'm in an inquisitive mood, why are you complaining about me and not the other posters who regularly appear in "consumer-oriented" threads? Are you not as tired of their responses as you appear to be of mine.
Edit: also, not all consumers find the practise "dishonest".
