Penny Arcade 11/30/2007 Jeff Gerstmann fired from Gamespot, allegedly for K&L review

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thetrin said:
Burn the fuckers. They need to be taught a lesson.
Yeah, I agree. This is really genuinely fucked up. I don't want to make game journalism seem like it's more important than it is, but on a personal level this is sincerely fucked. It just means it's harder and harder to take any game criticism seriously, which is very bad for this still young industry.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
You guys are really freaking out over this... I'm waiting for more news.
So far we have PA saying it AND a mod on the forums saying TO BLAME Cnet.
I mean, right now, wouldn't a mod naturally say not to jump on the blame train?

Hell, the Penny-Arcade comic went up a DAY EARLY for this. Doesn't anyone see that as a means of getting this message out ASAP?
 
I feel really bad. How could a goddamn publisher, WHO THE FUCK, can just say "fire him" and just let a guy go like that. Jeff has been there for years nad he has proven himself to be a credible enthusiast witter. He deserves much better than this horseshit that CNET has done to him.
 

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hauton said:
the fact that they jumped on their high fucking horse and tried to bash reviewers for giving AC a bad score puts is pretty much ethical highwire which makes it hilariously hypocritical for PA to be calling CNET out on this.
Defending great games is bad now ?
 
Grimm Fandango said:
You guys are really freaking out over this... I'm waiting for more news.
This is big. This a Gaming company using force against a professional enthusiast and game news reporter, in the open.

It's a chockehold, we can't have this shit
 
Okay I think it's safe to say that Gamespot and CNet are not long for this forum. This is fucking ridiculous and I haven't seen ANYONE say it ISN'T true or even deny it. Not that the absence of those two things make it true but in a situation like this somebody needs to start clarifying exactly what happened here. Their whole community will likely revolt at this.

GameFAQs banned from GAF?

Christ, that would cause the biggest rise in average GAF post quality since I got banned.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
WrikaWrek said:
This is big. This a Gaming company using force against a professional enthusiast and game news reporter, in the open.

It's a chockehold, we can't have this shit
That said, this shit is so common it's not even funny. Journalists being taken on expensive trips/given expensive gifts/threatened/etc.
 
Not to defend the place, but since it's not confirmed. Don't you think it's possible he had already resigned willingly, so as his last review let it rip instead of the other way around?
 
JeffGreen said:
Jeff has an open invitation to come on GFW Radio any time to talk about this. As Shawn and others have said, this (if true, which we DONT know for sure yet) is just the most blatant and sad manifestation of a trend that has been building and building the last few years.

To those of us close to some of the horseshit maneuvers the big publishers have been pulling, it also hardly comes as a surprise--I mean, the part about a game publisher possibly applying pressure to a media outlet about a score. The nightmare here--again, if it's true--is that the media outlet may have buckled to the pressure. That is a fucking betrayal of epic proportions. So let's hope, for everyone's sakes, that there's more to the story than what we're hearing so far.
It'll be Jeff, Jeff, Shawn and Sean! What wacky shenanigans will they get up to next?
 
Amir0x said:
i'd actually want to keep Metacritic. GameFAQs sucks.
I mean I would agree with banning Gamespot if they were in charge of the firing and taking the deal and all that but it's been said already by an employee that all that is delt with CNET people.
Gamespot employee post on the GS boards
""People, don't direct your anger at Gamespot. This is CNet's meddling. Gamespot consists just of the editorial, news, community, and development teams. It's CNet's marketing that puts the ads up. CNet's marketing that complained. CNet is who can fire their EIC. ""
Other Gamespot employee post
None of the GS staff is allowed to comment right now, so we're just as much in the dark as anyone else right now. However, to extrapolate from the comic/rumors, this wouldn't have come from GS, since Jeff is the EIC right now. It would have come from CNet corporate.
If this is true banning Gamespot would be meaningless.

Chumly said:
Gamespot earns CNET money. They must take one for the team.
It wasn't there decision...
 
Y2Kev said:
Two things:

1. Banning? Eh.
2. I really love everyone demanding he go on a ZD podcast to explain this. ZD has built such credibility with hardcore gamers. Extremely impressive whether you agree or not.
well, its not like we can demand he was on GAFcast, that has been MIA for a while now.
 
The Sphinx said:
I'm not certain the mods really know anything over there... Is he a paid employee or just a volunteer? He may be theorizing as much as the rest of us.
Mods are not employees of gamespot, if your friends on the gamespot forums are mods, they can basically vote you in, usually it's the whole "oh I respect your opinion so much mod ur so wise crowd" that gets considered, hell I was probably playing that game back in 92 when they split from zdnet which didn't last because I was an asshole before and still a bit of an asshole even now, that and sometimes gamespot mods get burned out and lose it eventually and stop posting there, while I've been posting there since 98 and I r as crazy as I wuz since day one.


I think the mods and admins talk in their own little forum, maybe that's how they know. And mods get free subscription as far as I know.
 
Despite the shit given to him over it at the time, he was dead-on with his 8.8 for Twilight Princess and definitely doesn't deserve to be fired over a Kane and Lynch score. That's just fucking scummy.
 
hauton said:
That said, this shit is so common it's not even funny. Journalists being taken on expensive trips/given expensive gifts/threatened/etc.
Look stuff that is being done behind the curtain happens everywhere, countries are ruled like that, we can live with that.

But when the president of the country comes into the open street in front of everybody and shots a journo in the head, and walks away like nothing happened, that's when things got fucked up.

There are limits people....
 
hauton said:
The fact is, PA simply aren't in the same position as professional reviewers - reviewers have no say on the advertising and marketing on the sites they write for. Gabe and Tycho control not only the comics and commentary itself, but the advertising and events such as PAX. In that position, you can't pretend to be impartial about Ubisoft and AC when you two cooperated heavily in ad content for the site, as well as the major event at PAX as well. To call out game reviewers on AC when you're in that position is unethical, striding a dangerous line and flat out puts you in a bad light.

If Gerstmann or any game reviewer got his paycheques directly from Eidos, you'd question the impartiality of his views, no?
I'd question impartiality of anything where money for pimping is involved.
 
Linkzg said:
watching the video review, the game looks really bad.

however, the idea for the multiplayer is actually kind of neat, it reminds me of the days I used to...role play inside of The Specialist and me and other guys on the server would choose roles inside Mecklenberg. I was always the Private Detective who was the best, besides the guy who played as Spiderman.
I played it on PC and really enjoyed it, sure it has its flaws (most notably in the aiming and mission design) but it's nothing gamebreaking (that is until you get to one of the last missions and have to battle a helicopter).

It hurts me to see that this game which has so much potential just being "shoved on the air" so to speak, since I love the story and the missions really have that "heist" feel that they're going for.

If it had received some more polish then I'd say that it could easily be an 8-9, but as it is now, if you can't deal with the quirky controls (which I think probably works better on PC, since it's basically the Hitman design and thus designed with a mouse in mind) and whatnot, it will inevitably be placed in the 6-7 region.

He gave it the right score, and this is coming from someone who really loved it. :/

hauton said:
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If we're really going to ban CNET, I say just drop them all. Gamefaqs, Metacritic, across the board. If this is about making some sort of statement, might as well do it properly.
 
Ferrio said:
Not to defend the place, but since it's not confirmed. Don't you think it's possible he had already resigned willingly, so as his last review let it rip instead of the other way around?
They probably gave him severance pay in exchange for him promising not to talk about why he was fired.
 
Rlan said:
It'll be Jeff, Jeff, Shawn and Sean! What wacky shenanigans will they get up to next?
I wish Gertsmann the absolute best and--as Jeff Green said--would love to have him on. However, due to paperwork and agreements involved when an employee leaves an employer of 10 years, I can't imagine he'll be able to talk for another two years, though.
 
hauton said:
I frankly don't care how PA operates their advertising.

At the end of the day, Gabe and Tycho act as marketing and editorial - a fundamental conflict of interest, and ultimately I have to take all their viewpoints with a large grain of salt. But the fact that they jumped on their high fucking horse and tried to bash reviewers for giving AC a bad score puts is pretty much ethical highwire which makes it hilariously hypocritical for PA to be calling CNET out on this.
All game websites and magazines depend on advertisements from game publishers for most of their revenue.

And they didn't claim that it got a bad score because of a lack of moneyhats or anything to do with ads. They claimed it might have got a bad score because the reviewer rushed through the game.
 
Error said:
errr shouldnt it be the other way around? gamefaqs is actually useful, Metacritic tho... eh?
Gamefaqs is useful for cheaters and also for keeping the horrors of the internet in one nasty place. CHEATERS.

But Metacritic is good because I like shuffling through it to find which movies people are talking about and then watch them. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with what's coming out in the movie industry that is getting any buzz!
 
Holy shit @ GameSpot/Cnet. Some crooked motherfuckers running the show over there. And even worse is Eidos. I was going to play Kane and Lynch despite reviews because it interested me.... Not anymore.

Jeff seemed like a pretty cool guy and I can't believe they'd do this... Tragic.
 
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