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Pentagon official:: There's compelling evidence that we might not be alone

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Here's another video of the same instance in 2004 but these are radar operators. They're tracking the objects going over 25000mph in the air then plunging underwater and going 500mph underwater tracked on sonar.



On a personal level, my dad was on a submarine in the 80s. He told us they tracked several objects under the surface that the Captain said were "too fast to fathom, and not worth worrying about because there's nothing we can do anyway." Lol.

Below are links to radar reports going back to the 1950s of various militaries tracking unknown objects reaching 30,000mph. For reference, at that time the SR71 was the most advanced ultra secret craft of the era, and could achieve around 15% of that speed almost a decade later. Not to mention the abilities of these unknown craft to shift directions far exceeds anything the SR71 could do.

 
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I believe there is a phenomenon. I don't think its aliens from another planet. Its more likely inter-dimensional or Dyson Probes (alien AI sent out over the universe).

The other option is that the powers that be are getting the population ready for a false flag alien attack which would mean we have some dark dark times ahead for us.

If Pentagon want us to believe there are aliens they should just open Area 51 to public.
Area 51 is bullshit misdirection now. You really think that the government would have a secret base on the surface?
 
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It's strange that this isn't bigger news.

Last week, the US government confirmed UFO cases were real and nobody seemed to care :messenger_grinning_smiling:
People are conditioned to ignore stuff like this.

Also, in an odd twist UFO peeps have been saying they don't trust the government for so long that they don't trust them when disclosure is happening....LOL.

You would be surprised at the amount of the population that says, "well duh" as well.
 
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That one radar operator said they could descend from near space to a hover 50ft off the ocean in 2 seconds. Dem G forces.
 
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That one radar operator said they could descend from near space to a hover 50ft off the ocean in 2 seconds. Dem G forces.
If they are machines (robots, ai, etc) g forces wouldn't matter that much. Particularly in a craft that is likely 1000s of years beyond our technology, using materials we have not even thought of yet.

Personally I still like the idea that we are living in a simulation and these aleins, ghosts, and/or whatever are either glitches in the code, or Player Characters fucking with their sims.
 
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If they are machines (robots, ai, etc) g forces wouldn't matter that much. Particularly in a craft that is likely 1000s of years beyond our technology, using materials we have not even thought of yet.
Yeah, I'm just saying from our perspective that's insane. I'd love to experience without dying.
 

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If they are machines (robots, ai, etc) g forces wouldn't matter that much. Particularly in a craft that is likely 1000s of years beyond our technology, using materials we have not even thought of yet.
That would literally melt every outer component, and snap every connection within. Unless there was some as-yet-unknown technology used to mitigate the friction and stress involved from accelerating and decelerating that quickly in atmosphere. Not to mention the energy required, and the technology required to mitigate the effects of all of that energy being expended without affecting the immediate area.
 

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That would literally melt every outer component, and snap every connection within. Unless there was some as-yet-unknown technology used to mitigate the friction and stress involved from accelerating and decelerating that quickly in atmosphere. Not to mention the energy required, and the technology required to mitigate the effects of all of that energy being expended without affecting the immediate area.
I think that's the whole thing. They don't believe this is from Earth.
 
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That would literally melt every outer component, and snap every connection within. Unless there was some as-yet-unknown technology used to mitigate the friction and stress involved from accelerating and decelerating that quickly in atmosphere. Not to mention the energy required, and the technology required to mitigate the effects of all of that energy being expended without affecting the immediate area.
I am not going to disagree with your assessment or the impossibly of it movement, but still, there it is doing the impossible. Where do we go from here?

What about teleportation?
 
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They are likely probes. Analyzing our planet's resources and organisms.

They wouldnt send manned missions to a rock of monkeys.
bingo, Dyson Probes.

If it is probes they would have likely been sent 100s of thousands or millions of years ago. Its probable that the organic civilization is already dead and gone.
 
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Yawn. At this point, I think the gov't keeps the UFO stuff going because it provides a convenient cover for their own black site technologies. Who would protest a nuclear-capable stealth fighter when they think it's the little greys paying our planet a visit?

Using air-powered vehicles for wars has only been a thing for about 100 years, and in that time we've made astounding leaps forward in mobility and speed. A VTOL from the 80s would seem like a UFO to a Spitfire pilot from the 40s. We also know that modern governments obscure their military technological developments and try to spread disinformation.

Drones can easily replicate a UFO appearance above a given city.

 
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It's strange that this isn't bigger news.

Last week, the US government confirmed UFO cases were real and nobody seemed to care :messenger_grinning_smiling:
people were more interested in shia labeouf eating hot wings

numbers don't lie
 
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Yawn. At this point, I think the gov't keeps the UFO stuff going because it provides a convenient cover for their own black site technologies. Who would protest a nuclear-capable stealth fighter when they think it's the little greys paying our planet a visit?

Using air-powered vehicles for wars has only been a thing for about 100 years, and in that time we've made astounding leaps forward in mobility and speed. A VTOL from the 80s would seem like a UFO to a Spitfire pilot from the 40s. We also know that modern governments obscure their military technological developments and try to spread disinformation.
While I wont say you are wrong, the united states doesn't have a history of creating technology and not publicly using it. We made the first nuke and dropped it. If the US or any country had this technology they could rule the world completely without opposition. Why hide it?
 
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Yawn. At this point, I think the gov't keeps the UFO stuff going because it provides a convenient cover for their own black site technologies. Who would protest a nuclear-capable stealth fighter when they think it's the little greys paying our planet a visit?

Using air-powered vehicles for wars has only been a thing for about 100 years, and in that time we've made astounding leaps forward in mobility and speed. A VTOL from the 80s would seem like a UFO to a Spitfire pilot from the 40s. We also know that modern governments obscure their military technological developments and try to spread disinformation.

Drones can easily replicate a UFO appearance above a given city.

Not in 2004.
 
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While I wont say you are wrong, the united states doesn't have a history of creating technology and not publicly using it. We made the first nuke and dropped it. If the US or any country had this technology they could rule the world completely without opposition. Why hide it?
Cold War, breh. Decades of obfuscation and propaganda and military subterfuge.

Why hide it? Why not hide it? What is the advantage of showing off all your cool tech? If I was the gov't, I would push as much rumor and speculation about UFOs as I could to distract my populace. If I was especially evil, I would do everything I could to develop technologies to somehow deceive my populace into believing in alien visitation. Then I would make much ado about "disclosure" and would show off my fake aliens to my citizens, adding in the footnote that the aliens really seem to like my personality so it's better for me to remain Leader for Life.
 

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i think the machine lords are already here, they want our flesh

don't trust anybody, not even the guy in da mirror
 
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Just because it may be a UFO doesn't mean it's aliens. It's just something unidentified, could be experimental aircraft of a foreign nation or even our own. Perhaps the readings were off and something was misread as well. These things happen.
 
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Yawn. At this point, I think the gov't keeps the UFO stuff going because it provides a convenient cover for their own black site technologies. Who would protest a nuclear-capable stealth fighter when they think it's the little greys paying our planet a visit?

Using air-powered vehicles for wars has only been a thing for about 100 years, and in that time we've made astounding leaps forward in mobility and speed. A VTOL from the 80s would seem like a UFO to a Spitfire pilot from the 40s. We also know that modern governments obscure their military technological developments and try to spread disinformation.

Drones can easily replicate a UFO appearance above a given city.

It looks like Space Invaders in motion. Beautiful stuff.
 

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Migrant Aliens just trying to get some of that sweet Democrat free housing/free health care/free education. Build a space wall and cancel all space asylum claims if they reach a safe 3rd party planet first.

I am tired of my tax dollars going to illegal space aliens taking our jobs, send these goobacks back. Next think you know we will have to speak space alien and will be teaching our kids that there are mulitple space genders. You know these aliens are just really socialists.
 

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And possibly sooner.

There's a widespread tendency to assume aliens would be peaceful. To me, that contradicts all our experience with every creature along the food chain and especially at the apex end.
I think our best hope is that they are so significantly advanced that we literally have nothing that they would be remotely interested in exploiting us for.
Otherwise we doomed.
 

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And possibly sooner.

There's a widespread tendency to assume aliens would be peaceful. To me, that contradicts all our experience with every creature along the food chain and especially at the apex end.
Ow yeah, I very much expect them to look at us like we do at insects. But, I bet somewhere out there, a bunch of kleptarks are discussing the same topic right now on some digital board as well...
 

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Ow yeah, I very much expect them to look at us like we do at insects. But, I bet somewhere out there, a bunch of kleptarks are discussing the same topic right now on some digital board as well...
It’ll be like Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

“Sorry your planet has been approved for demolition to make way for the new interstellar freeway”
 

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Yawn. At this point, I think the gov't keeps the UFO stuff going because it provides a convenient cover for their own black site technologies. Who would protest a nuclear-capable stealth fighter when they think it's the little greys paying our planet a visit?

Using air-powered vehicles for wars has only been a thing for about 100 years, and in that time we've made astounding leaps forward in mobility and speed. A VTOL from the 80s would seem like a UFO to a Spitfire pilot from the 40s. We also know that modern governments obscure their military technological developments and try to spread disinformation.

Drones can easily replicate a UFO appearance above a given city.

The government was denying everything until a few years. We're talking almost 70 years of blaming everything on swamp gas, blimps etc then suddenly its "possible we're not alone."

Then we had NASA spend millions of dollars on a study recently on how the world would react if they announced the existence of another civilization outside earth. This was back before the funding grant too.

And I dont agree with the spitfire vs VTOL comparo. The WW2 pilot would be able to ID signs of how it operated. The exhaust plume for example would indicate thrust and engine location. The aero cabin shape and wings and vertical stabilizer would make perfect sense too.
These craft literally don't make any sense, no exhaust, no IR heat from any engines and can operate at speeds that should shatter known alloys. Also, no sonic booms and underwater transversal at incredible speeds.

It's like that pilot said, not only is the tech a massive jump but the understanding of physics.

Then also you couple that we sightings of strange metallic objects before the 1920s in the sky with similar descriptions. They could all be lies/confusion I suppose but there were some credible sources.

My personal opinion is starting to shift after talking to my father. I just find it odd that his account on a submarine mirrored that of these operators, but 25 years prior.
 
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The government was denying everything until a few years. We're talking almost 70 years of blaming everything on swamp gas, blimps etc then suddenly its "possible we're not alone."

Then we had NASA spend millions of dollars on a study recently on how the world would react if they announced the existence of another civilization outside earth. This was back before the funding grant too.

And I dont agree with the spitfire vs VTOL comparo. The WW2 pilot would be able to ID signs of how it operated. The exhaust plume for example would indicate thrust and engine location. The aero cabin shape and wings and vertical stabilizer would make perfect sense too.
These craft literally don't make any sense, no exhaust, no IR heat from any engines and can operate at speeds that should shatter known alloys. Also, no sonic booms and underwater transversal at incredible speeds.

It's like that pilot said, not only is the tech a massive jump but the understanding of physics.

Then also you couple that we sightings of strange metallic objects before the 1920s in the sky with similar descriptions. They could all be lies/confusion I suppose but there were some credible sources.

My personal opinion is starting to shift after talking to my father. I just find it odd that his account on a submarine mirrored that of these operators, but 25 years prior.
This doesn't lead me to believe in aliens, though. It's always half-obscured reports and poor photographs, and now that technology has improved so drastically it is easier than ever to fake sightings. How remarkable and convenient that we have such an increase in UFO sightings now that we have the technology to talk about it and post photos about it!

The appeal to the incredible maneuvers and bizarre characteristics of the craft -- always eyewitness and almost never based on mechanical measurements -- is important because I do think our impressionable minds play a role in these sightings.

Sure, I admit they could be real but we are living in circumstances where it is more profitable than ever to propagate these hoaxes. For a season, the brightest people insisted there were too many strange factors with the Cottingley fairies and with crop circles for it to just be "made up", yet here we are.