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Persona 2 Innocent Sin (PSP) - New trailer
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Sleeping Badger
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I highly doubt they will drop one of the big features from the last two games.Android18a said:
Augemitbutter
Member
they should link conversations with demons and social links for the next game. could be interesting.
Dedication Through Light
Member
SonicBoom said:
I really can not see how iy wont come to the us, they would be silly to not have it come out after how well p4, p1p, and p3p did.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/23/persona_2_quests/
This week's Famitsu had a new article on the game. I'll leave specifics (or new thread) to people that can actually read the moonrunes, but it seems like a "create-a-quest mode", and a cameo with "SMT If..."
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201103/25041626.html
And just a convenient link to the Hardcore Gaming article on IF...
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/megaten/megaten3.htm
And from a user on Gamefaqs,
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/611279-persona-2-tsumi/58550313
"Also the original scenario writer, Satomi Tadashi (left Atlus after the Digital Devil Saga 2) returns for the extra scenario."
This week's Famitsu had a new article on the game. I'll leave specifics (or new thread) to people that can actually read the moonrunes, but it seems like a "create-a-quest mode", and a cameo with "SMT If..."
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201103/25041626.html
And just a convenient link to the Hardcore Gaming article on IF...
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/megaten/megaten3.htm
And from a user on Gamefaqs,
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/611279-persona-2-tsumi/58550313
"Also the original scenario writer, Satomi Tadashi (left Atlus after the Digital Devil Saga 2) returns for the extra scenario."
Yeah, create a quest/mission seems to be the new craze these days in Japan. Dissidia 012, Persona 2 IS have quest creation and sharing, Disgaea 4 has level creator and sharing; it's like Japanese games ignored user-content for a decade and now they're catching up fast.
I honestly don't see how user-created quests in a game like P2 can actually be fun though. Very skeptical. I mean it seems like a game without much leeway for creating original content.
I honestly don't see how user-created quests in a game like P2 can actually be fun though. Very skeptical. I mean it seems like a game without much leeway for creating original content.
KibblesBits
Member
Karukoza High, the setting of Shin Megami Tensei If... the granddaddy of ALL Persona games.
If AtlusUSA doesn't announce this I will be most displeased.
If AtlusUSA doesn't announce this I will be most displeased.
Bebpo said:
If you can modify enemy stats, it can be a great way to make challenging boss fights. There's no way to tell how in depth it is until the game actually comes out. I think the articles said something about Famitsu using the system to distribute some semi-official quests, or something.
KibblesBits said:
I wouldn't even waste time contemplating the idea that this isn't coming to NA. It is. Period.
Yaweee said:
Yeah, I guess it depends on the player. For me, quests not having new towns, dungeons, npc art, music tracks, etc... kills it for me. Even if someone makes a well balanced challenging quest through an existing dungeon to get some existing good item with some npcs along the way, it probably wouldn't keep me interested. It's probably not like rpgmaker where you can create entire worlds from scratch.
I'm still really excited about this game, just likely won't touch this feature as I never touched the Dissidia quest creator.
cj_iwakura
Member
Atlus, don't ask me what I would do for an If remake with Persona 2's engine.
This is not a subject to toy with!
This is not a subject to toy with!
KibblesBits
Member
cj_iwakura said:
Depending on how much customization is available this may not be so far fetched an idea...
cj_iwakura
Member
I enjoy Persona 3, but it is very much a sign of the transition from Okada-SMT to not.
There's a certain stylized touch of the modern occult that P2 and Nocturne had that P3 lacks.
There's a certain stylized touch of the modern occult that P2 and Nocturne had that P3 lacks.
cj_iwakura
Member
duckroll said:
Yeah, Raidou's very much an exception, but Devil Survivor and Strange Journey felt like they lacked something.
Maybe I'm just getting tired of
Lucifer being used as a random cameo character.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
cj_iwakura said:
I will agree to this. SJ's appearance was pathetic.
cj_iwakura
Member
He was pretty rad in Devil Summoner 2, though. After that it started getting old.
I cant believe all the whining over P3 and P4. P1 and P2 were pretty much the standard SMT games. At least with 3 and 4 you get something different that you couldnt get by just playing Nocturne or the like.
Edit: Im not calling them bad games (well maybe P1 is a bad game) but the formula has been done before. Atlus had been doing it for a while. I just never saw a drastic difference btw SMT games and P1 and P2.
Edit: Im not calling them bad games (well maybe P1 is a bad game) but the formula has been done before. Atlus had been doing it for a while. I just never saw a drastic difference btw SMT games and P1 and P2.
Im talking generally about the demon negotiation part of it, which is a big part of the games. More or less all the atlus games up until that point had demon negotiations and if you didnt like that aspect, you most likely wouldnt like their games. It made sense as a company to spread out into things like Digital Devil and the evolution of the Persona series. If you didnt like one series, you could try another.
Urban Scholar
Member
MoogPaul said:
? How so? P1 & P2 games unlike the main titles are more character/social interaction focused for the stories/plot.
Edit: I see his point above.
cj_iwakura
Member
Nocturne's a lot of things, but it isn't easy.
SMT1 & 2? They're easy. Equip stat-inflicting gun. Have demons spam buff spells.
Auto. Repeat.
SMT1 & 2? They're easy. Equip stat-inflicting gun. Have demons spam buff spells.
Auto. Repeat.
There is a difference between frustrating and difficult. Frustrating is having to do a fight a couple times until you find out the right strategy, once you find out the strategy its an easy fight. Difficult is the fight being hard regardless of strategy. Nocturne was frustrating not difficult.
cj_iwakura
Member
I think you've got your adjectives mixed up there. I'd rather a game reward strategy than drive me crazy regardless of what I do to adjust.
MoogPaul said:
Difficulty is simply hard to define. I'd really like to here your elaboration on what it means to be "hard" regardless of strategy, and how that is achieved in turn-based RPGs, and what games in particular exhibit those traits.
More often than not, even in the games people often label as hard, the actually strategy and execution in boss fights comes down to basic RPG101-type stuff with various window dressings from whatever the game's unique gameplay mechanics are.
Urban Scholar
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Yaweee said:
To further your point you mean like Fog breath + de - whatever spells then regulating right?
Urban Scholar said:
Yeah. You still have to worry about your group customization, balancing turns between healing/maintenance and actual damage, but you have to tweak that slightly to account for how powerful the buff spells and proper elemental attacks are in that game.
I want a game that is interesting more than hard, and I'd say Nocturne's battles actually did a much better job of that than SMT1/2 and P1/2. And I actually appreciate having to contemplate what the battle's strategy is and revising my entire party to match that fight. I loved that aspect of Strange Journey and Devil Survivor (the day 3 and day 6 boss fights are goddamn absurd).
MoogPaul said:
If strategy is not a factor, then the only way to win a battle in your terms of "difficulty" is based on a random chance. If the only way to beat a boss is to hope it doesn't use 'x' attack is shitty design. Basically, you're saying you don't mind "Game Over" screens due to losing a coin flip.
I enjoy progress in games, not bad design.
To break it down, I'm saying is that I've found that Atlus games, more so than other RPG companies, reward you too much for figuring out the weaknesses. A battle can go for 20 rounds without the weakness or like 3 if you know it. Too punishing or too easy, never much of a middle ground. If the enemy is weak to fire, do an extra 50 points of damage, not extra 200 and give me a free second shot.
Urban Scholar
Member
Yaweee said:
Agreed good sir.
I've been on media blackout so I haven't been keeping up, is the old music still going to be selectable as an option like they originally announced? Are they really going to include all 104 tracks from the original OST, on top of an entire brand new remixed soundtrack? It just sounds too good to be true.
Augemitbutter
Member
there haven't been any retractions as far as i know. they will add new features and keep the old content.
KibblesBits
Member
Well this thread got a little bit of action while I was away. I love it when people come in randomly and start trying to defend P3/4 as if it's needed when it totally isn't.
Augemitbutter
Member
or nocturne. it's hard to defend the boring buffing and debuffuing that game is plagued by.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
ITT: "Be careful what you wish for in your RPGs."
Over and over again.
Over and over again.
Augemitbutter said:
I agree, actually. I think it's pretty annoying and repetitive in P2, but if they could flesh negotiation out and hook it into some of the other systems of modern Persona, it could be really good.
And I've also been thinking lately that it would be amazing if they incorporated a sort of Silent Hill: Shattered Memories-esque psychoanalysis system into P5 where the game clandestinely records just about every action you take and every answer you give to every question, altering the course of the game, perhaps even on a plot or gameplay level. I think that a system like that would combine well with social links and demon negotiations for interesting results. Or maybe this is all a terrible idea and why I'm not a developer.
I got my copy and gave it a spin with data install on to see how dated the game would feel compared to say...Trails of the Sky since that's an older game recently released (well in the US) as well.
On the plus side, I think the sprites look great at this resolution. Definitely better than the time I tried IS on my PS2 BC.
On the negative side, wow the loading bar. I can't believe it has to fill up a loading bar EVERY TIME YOU OPEN A DOOR. In the starting school, just running around looking for this teacher that's calling for you had me see like 30 loading bars. With data install, it's never a particularly long load. Maybe 3-6 seconds. Something I could tolerate maybe when running around a dungeon and only seeing it every 5-15 mins. But when in a building with lots of rooms, seeing it every other second is pretty annoying. It's definitely much shorter loading than the PS1 version, but feels like a PS2 rpg circa 2002/2003 when loading was not terrible, but not great either.
Also I'm not a fan of the font. Between the font and kanji, it makes it kind of a pain to read the npc dialogues of all these npcs in the school.
Didn't make it to a battle. Just wanted to check it out, not actually start playing it. Seems like if I wanted to play P2 IS down the line (and I do for sure), this is the best version to play. But it also doesn't really make me want to play P2 IS anytime soon. After I finish SRW Z2 I think I'll go back to trails of the sky and finish that first since it feels much less dated between better loading, graphics, and font.
On the plus side, I think the sprites look great at this resolution. Definitely better than the time I tried IS on my PS2 BC.
On the negative side, wow the loading bar. I can't believe it has to fill up a loading bar EVERY TIME YOU OPEN A DOOR. In the starting school, just running around looking for this teacher that's calling for you had me see like 30 loading bars. With data install, it's never a particularly long load. Maybe 3-6 seconds. Something I could tolerate maybe when running around a dungeon and only seeing it every 5-15 mins. But when in a building with lots of rooms, seeing it every other second is pretty annoying. It's definitely much shorter loading than the PS1 version, but feels like a PS2 rpg circa 2002/2003 when loading was not terrible, but not great either.
Also I'm not a fan of the font. Between the font and kanji, it makes it kind of a pain to read the npc dialogues of all these npcs in the school.
Didn't make it to a battle. Just wanted to check it out, not actually start playing it. Seems like if I wanted to play P2 IS down the line (and I do for sure), this is the best version to play. But it also doesn't really make me want to play P2 IS anytime soon. After I finish SRW Z2 I think I'll go back to trails of the sky and finish that first since it feels much less dated between better loading, graphics, and font.