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Phil Harrison responds to eSRAM sze, "Clearly not the case, look at Forza 5"
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I think that's Agent Phil job.
Then why did they show a fully rendered crowd in the reveal trailer? Are you serious?
What? He makes a very good point. Fact is the Xbox had the better looking launch games.
Not that it should matter.
This.
I mean he is trying to point out that the statement that its too small to handle 1080p is patently false. But he should know that the argument is not that simple and that the discussion is really about how the size/architecture of the eSRAM is keeping XB1 from hitting 1080p w/ the same effects as other platforms.
This one should have gone without a response.
Exactly how I feel as well.
It has nothing to do with admitting flaws, its being oblivious to them and pretending they don't exist. They need to stop talking specs/power and bring content.
They need to stop responding to these things, theoretical or paper, the box is weak. Its time to move out of the 'but' stage and move onto selling your system based on content/games.
DarkJedi24
Member
Say its not an issue and it becomes gospel eh Phil? Good luck building consumer trust on lies...
cheddascrambla
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Ryse was the only good looking game.
Zombie James
Banned
Not a racing game player but I think high resolution 2D cutouts look better than... This.
Which is a fair thing to say, but you also have to take into consideration GT6 is a last-gen game. The Xbone should have significantly more resources to do a fully modelled crowd better than this, not revert back to 2D billboards.
OdysseusVA
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clem84
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It was a work in progress. Maybe they decided having a fully modeled crowed was not a smart use of resources? I don't know.
Glorified G
Member
Hey Phil. Welcome to GAF
As much as I am enjoying my Xbox One, I have to admit Microsoft's PR leaves a lot to be desired this time around.
I wonder if its the increase in social media and INSTANT information that's causing trouble for them.
With Twitter around to spread information (and misinformation) around faster than humankind has ever seen before, all companies have to be incredibly careful about what they say and how they say it, because it will be scrutinized seconds after posting.
Like others here have said, they should just stop posting tweets and blurbs to social media to try to justify everything and concentrate on the strengths of their console.
Obviously should have used Peggle 2 as a better example.
Oh snap. Terrible.
UltimateRemag
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Oh really... hmmm
RedAssedApe
Banned
they should kind of stop taking the bait and responding to these type of tweets.
weird ass people who should be well versed in pr somehow keep saying the dumbest things
weird ass people who should be well versed in pr somehow keep saying the dumbest things
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Pretty sure Powerstar Golf runs at 720p for some reason.
Hahahaha fact, huh? Dang dude, I thought I smoked good weed but you have some really bomb stuff, THAT is a fact. Can you share?
NoMoreTrolls
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Lol look at Forza 5 indeed. PS2 era crowds, prebaked lighting, and next to no post processing effects... might have wanted to pick a different game there, bucko.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Didn't Forza 5 see a noticeable downgrade since E3?
Their list of exclusive 1080p games isn't very long, so they're limited in what they can choose.
Wait what?
I am pretty sure that is not the way I remember reading most opinions on the games, especially the ones on both systems.
Grover Cleveland
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The sooner Microsoft concedes that their system is by the numbers weaker and stops letting their message get bogged down in tech pissing contests, the better off they will be.
There are a lot of cool things that you can do with an Xbox One that you can't do with any other gaming console out there. Tout those things, MS. Playing the numbers game with resolution or teraflops isn't the way to highlight your machine's strengths.
There are a lot of cool things that you can do with an Xbox One that you can't do with any other gaming console out there. Tout those things, MS. Playing the numbers game with resolution or teraflops isn't the way to highlight your machine's strengths.
Everything but the HUD looks really blurry in that 1080 image. I can't tell if its terrible graphics or bad upscaling.
travisbickle
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What in the fuck is Phil supposed to say?
Ignore the tweet?
Misdirection? "Forget the issue of 1080p... why don't you see these cool games we have instead?"
Self-deprecation? "You're right, any game running in 1080p does so by cutting corners. Most games on XB1 will be between 720p and 900p"
NoMoreTrolls
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Agreed. They should let their system sell by its strengths. If they don't feel that it can differentiate itself by those things alone, then why would they have made the power compromise to include them?
^ and yes, he should have ignored the Tweet. That's the great thing about Twitter... you don't have to reply to everyone.
Zombie James
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You got it.
The Xbox One, while upscaling the 3D graphics, can display a HUD at native 1080p at the same time. One of the nicer features if you have to settle for upscaling IMO - upscaled HUDs kill me.
Zabant
Member
Wow, that's what I get for assuming...I was trying to prove that less technical games are obviously going to be able to output at higher resolutions, and I end up using a incorrect example.
And somehow, it makes me point even more valid
NoMoreTrolls
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Yar, matey, that it does.
Not a racing game player but I think high resolution 2D cutouts look better than... This.
Curious to see how Project Cars will handle crowds.
ProjectCars already looks better than Forza 5 bullshot crowds.
PR bullshit by Phil.. He is essentially Lionel Hutz
Yep. I took a look at Forza 5. Day and Night differences between the reveal trailers and the finished product, and not in
a good way. Downgrades ahoy!
A kinect game isn't really the best choice either. I doubt they'll be targeting Ryse-esque heights of graphical power.
It's pretty clear that the EsRAM is a limiting factor. When the wizards at Crytek can squeeze an impressive game like Ryse out of the Xbone, but only just
manage to get it running at 900p, and at a very shaky 30fps, that's a reason to be worried. Because, yes, it's a good achievement, but Crytek
are adept at making the most with what they're given, and until the SDK gets better, or devs are given longer development time, you won't be seeing too many
other games hit those same heights.
They need to stop trying to compete on the graphical field. Sure, the tools will get better, but so will the PS4's tools as well.
a good way. Downgrades ahoy!
A kinect game isn't really the best choice either. I doubt they'll be targeting Ryse-esque heights of graphical power.
It's pretty clear that the EsRAM is a limiting factor. When the wizards at Crytek can squeeze an impressive game like Ryse out of the Xbone, but only just
manage to get it running at 900p, and at a very shaky 30fps, that's a reason to be worried. Because, yes, it's a good achievement, but Crytek
are adept at making the most with what they're given, and until the SDK gets better, or devs are given longer development time, you won't be seeing too many
other games hit those same heights.
They need to stop trying to compete on the graphical field. Sure, the tools will get better, but so will the PS4's tools as well.
phosphor112
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Except that Forza 5 fails to implement any sort of AA nor is it a deferred rendered engine. And I swear to god, if someone tells me one more time that the lighting in that game isn't a static slapped on shadow from the top down, I will flip my shit. To many people said I used the old footage to prove my point, but after the game launch they all ran for the hills.
Obviously should have used Peggle 2 as a better example.
This appears to be a glitch specific to certain track(s)?. Tried it on a few others and was not able to replicate it.
Here's an example from Nurbergring.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Just shut up and give the right software and benefits to your consumers, MS. You don't need to justify fucking resolution or framerate every time.
That's even worse than Forza's crowd.
Remember when the Cell was a pain in the ass to program? Just give team some time and the right SDKs and everything's going to be alright. Xbox One users are getting games like Ryse on release. Time will only give better looking games, and Ryse looks freaking fantastic as a launch title.
That's even worse than Forza's crowd.
Remember when the Cell was a pain in the ass to program? Just give team some time and the right SDKs and everything's going to be alright. Xbox One users are getting games like Ryse on release. Time will only give better looking games, and Ryse looks freaking fantastic as a launch title.
WordsintheWater
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No way man, Killzone kills every game on Xbox One, only thing that's really close is Ryse and even that is below Killzone's level of graphical fidelity.
It did, as someone posted multiple examples in this thread. :\
Anyone know if Forza had noticable downgrades since e3? Resolution?
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