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Phil Spencer admits that developing for two different specs is more work for devs.
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Kagey K
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Hindsight Is 20/20 so 5 years from now you will either look very smart or very stupid, the time in between is what’s going to be interesting.Phil Spencer, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Good to know everyone got to know this when *squints* the series X and series S launch in a little over a month. I still think the Series S is a mistake and they should've focused 100% on the Series X. At best they should've launched a Series X that was digital only.
One thing you can’t say is that he wasn’t willing to take a chance.
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DrScissorsMD
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but everyone flipping out over "it can't be that easy to optimise !?!?" were the PS people before we knew they were also cross-gen, no? But I digress, perhaps they're hiding, perhaps they're avoiding another "Hey PS friends, new PS feature takes pictures of your dick so you and PS friends can suck each others dicks virtually. Cool feature? Poll inside!" thread number #666816 you've made in the last week or so.Some suspects are hiding from this thread.
I mean they went hiding when devs started to talk but now that the idol has spoken... there is not much recourse other than to hide.
Just a guess.
Reallink
Member
Doesn't have to sell well, that's what devs are going to do regardless. It's what they're already doing and why there are no games that demonstrate why you should drop $500 on MS's box. Series X is nothing but a 4K upconverter of Series S, that's all it ever was and will ever be.
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Calverz
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Md Ray
Member
On Switch, it's just different clock speeds, same hardware. That's not the same for Xbox Series. You have GPUs with two vastly different configs (20 CUs vs 52 CUs), over 2x less memory bandwidth for GPU, 6x less for the CPU, massively reduced available memory for games, apps, OS.
YeulEmeralda
Member
Honestly it doesn't matter. The PS2 was a bitch to develop for but they all sucked it up because it sold 120 million.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
We will know more in a month when the comparisons roll in.
cireza
Member
Comparisons won't tell if it was a mistake. Sales numbers will. And the console is super attractive.
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Stiflers Mom
Banned
That depends on the point of view, my little console warrior friend.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Cool, so you don’t know what backtracking means or you don’t understand what’s being discussed. Great contribution
Given that the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X both exist, the amount of the work to support to different console specs should be a known quantity at this point. I’m not even sure I’d consider this thread worthy, to be honest.
Yeah, if you think those two consoles were pushed as far as they could go I have a bridge to sell you. Those two consoles do not prove the point you think you are proving
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Kagey K
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Kagey K
Banned
I really hope you don’t believe that launch numbers where they are are all sold out (except Finland and Slovakia for Xbox and Brazil for PS5) are going to tell the story of the generation.
Unless you assume the games announced now are the only games ever coming to your console.
JimboJones
Member
But this is scalability...Nah, I'll trust the random forum posters who say that the S will run every game exactly the same but at 1440p instead of 4K and it's just easy, simple scalability
Team Andromeda
Member
All this time people have been acting like all PC devs developers don't have the same issue's. Also, PC developers have to allow their games work on 2 completely different CPU and GPU providers be that Intel or AMD for CPU's or AMD and Nvidia for GPU's. So why it's more work, it's only what all PC developers have done for decades. At least on the Series X and S the CPU's and GPU are from the same family
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megreotsugua
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poor dev tools and two target specs for xbox
meanwhile PS5 being the easiest console to develop
meanwhile PS5 being the easiest console to develop
Kerotan
Member
But their games are being made for current gen, next gen (both consoles) and PC. That's going to take it's toll on the quality of the games.
Now that Phil has admitted what we already knew his fanboys can stop acting like it wasn't a problem introducing a weak next gen console.
ZehDon
Gold Member
The two extra consoles prove the point that two extra consoles exist, which is the point of the post you quoted. Clearly you didn't understand my post, my point, and - given your bafflingly disconnected "point" - the thread your posting in. Might I suggest taking some time to understand something before you decide its wrong - saves us all a lot of time.Yeah, if you think those two consoles were pushed as far as they could go I have a bridge to sell you. Those two consoles do not prove the point you think you are proving
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Saaleh
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I'm used to this, usually that's what he does when he can't continue his PR nonesense. He clearly lied about this topic since the introduction of the series S. ( Just like how Sony lied about next gen transition.)
There is no way anyone can spin it. Microsoft is faar worst than sony when it comes to wow factor and next gen. At least we know sony will move on from the ps4 after a year but with series s and game pass vision it is scary and unimpressive what ms is trying to do in the long run. Not only they are limiteing the quality of their ''exclusives'', they are now limiting next gen and the multiplatform games just to gain game pass subscriptions
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EventHorizon
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Not true. PCs get by with brute force. Games aren't optimized for every possible hardware combination. They are developed for higher level abstractions and take a performance hit for doing so. Consoles on the other hand are developed closer to the metal and are optimized for each specific console SKU. If Xbox games become optimized like PC games due to the larger number of configurations (Orig XB1, XB1 S, XB1 X, Series S, Series X), it's performance will suffer.
On top of that, there are rumors that the Xbox API has changed in order to be more generic and support more platforms, but that's made more work for devs, at least in the short run. Xbox code could be potentially less optimized due to all of this.
Knitted Knight
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Maybe you need to take the word dick out of your mouth before you choke on it?
Just a guess.
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Unable to defend your frivolous point of view and imitation, classic D'Ghost. Too cute.
Ignore buttons to the left if you can't handle it champ.
Knitted Knight
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Unable to defend your frivolous point of view and imitation, classic D'Ghost. Too cute.
Ignore buttons to the left if you can't handle it champ.
Lmao... I'm not the one salty stalking around my posts like a wounded puppy cause I hurt your feelings by saying things you don't like about your favorite plastic box.
Like I said, careful handling dicks, you may end up choking on one.
There is no point to defend. It's self-evident.
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The Pleasure
Member
Help your little brother out, X. He's slower and stupider but he's part of the series family.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The amount of work supporting multiple specs and the tendency to work upwards catering to the minimum common denominator first and then “upscaling”/tweaking settings is THE point and why people bring up the extra work required (and if the above does not happen the lower spec HW is shafted as result more often than not).
FranXico
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That is some truly meta PR game. Impressive.
Knitted Knight
Banned
"I'm not going to bullshit you on this one."
But on the ones that follow I just may.... "Whatever that means"...
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The Shift
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An Xbox thread on NeoGAF:
Knitted Knight
P Panajev2001a
FeiRR
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FranXico
Just like clockwork. Just a few more and my collection will be complete. Gotta catch 'em all!
Knitted Knight
P Panajev2001a
FeiRR
GHG
FranXico
Just like clockwork. Just a few more and my collection will be complete. Gotta catch 'em all!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
An Xbox thread on NeoGAF:
P Panajev2001a
Just like clockwork. Just a few more and my collection will be complete. Gotta catch 'em all!
You see me in the Xbox pre-order thread too
. Anyways, you know this is a public forum and not your private Xbox treehouse right?Interesting to see that the strategy is aligned and well re-used: incoming point —> side-step/dodge —> attack.
cireza
Member
WTF ? Why the aggressive answer ?
I actually believe Series S will sell very well in the long term. I don't see how this makes me a console warrior or whatever ?
I also believe that players won't notice, for the most part, any difference between Series S and X. Especially on a 1080p TV. That's why comparisons can be bad, in the end, comparisons are videos watched by enthusiasts on the internet. People will primarily look at the difference in price on amazon, ebay or in shops, not at video comparisons.
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Knitted Knight
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You see me in the Xbox pre-order thread too
Interesting to see that the strategy is aligned and well re-used: incoming point —> side-step/dodge —> attack.
I think you meant the Xbox discord... but otherwise on point.
The Shift
Banned
You see me in the Xbox pre-order thread too
Interesting to see that the strategy is aligned and well re-used: incoming point —> side-step/dodge —> attack.
Are you larping on a GAF?
C'mon man!
Congrats on your SX pre order - I'm not getting an Xbox Series X or Playstation 5 but am big time into GamePass - maybe we can hang out some time on xbox live and shoot the cross platform breeze?
FranXico
Member
What an original take.An Xbox thread on NeoGAF:
P Panajev2001a
Just like clockwork. Just a few more and my collection will be complete. Gotta catch 'em all!
Like clockwork indeed.
Geki-D
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Phil clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. When I pointed this out back in June (because it was fucking obvious), I was set straight by the foremost experts in the gaming industry; GAF posters, that all devs would have to do is tick the "ELLE-OH-ELLE JUST LOWER SHIT LIKE ON PC" box in their dev tools and the games would come out magically adapted for best results for 2 different SKUs. No effort at all.
FeiRR
Banned
Isn't that what enemies do in Halo games? Passes for AI in some circles, in others not so much.You see me in the Xbox pre-order thread too
Interesting to see that the strategy is aligned and well re-used: incoming point —> side-step/dodge —> attack.
FranXico
Member
Basic QA is still necessary. It would never literally be zero effort. I also don't think development is massively impacted either.
Nobody said it is not more work. But it is not much more work, because most things that are needed (like assets in lower quality) must also be created for the big consoles (e.g. loading lower quality models in the distant, ...).
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.kotaku.com
All this time people have been acting like all devs needed to do was flip a magic switch or something, guess this proves that wrong.
But for the developer it is not much more work. For the QS it is more work, because they must test another version. But QS in current times .... well let's just say, it seems that QS is not really done with the end-product on every console-system.
The Hamburglar
Banned
No shit Phil- well done gimping the gen with a weaker model too.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
All this time people have been acting like all devs needed to do was flip a magic switch or something, guess this proves that wrong.
Glad he realized that, the whole world understands that. It's not rocket science. But you know some smarter people still shouting "scalability".
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The Shift
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I think it's a risky plan - in a vacuum both the SS and SX are good hardware, present good options but they kind of cancel each other out. The buyer needs to complete a checkbox of specs before the decide to purchase either console. I might like that but I can't see the general public warming to it unless the messaging is spot on. And Microsoft has a honking huge history of fucking a duck in regards to messaging.
