Slings and Arrows
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Big bolded. MS didnt say that because that's been standard for the past 2/3 gens. They like to talk and it hurts them. Phil SPENCER should stop talking tbh
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Phil Spencer confirms that first-party devs have the choice of whether or not to make games cross-gen
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Big bolded. MS didnt say that because that's been standard for the past 2/3 gens. They like to talk and it hurts them. Phil SPENCER should stop talking tbh
marketing is confusing, because they want to sustain narrative on the internet.
the narrative started to grow that crossgen games would be leveled down, Phill runs on the internet saying that the developer chooses
If MS were more concerned with producing games than reading forums and twitter on the internet, the xbox would earn more.
- If xbox launches crossgen, it is pro consumer and exclusive new generation is anti consumer (PS5).
- If the game is exclusive to SX, it's good because it's the developer's freedom.
Then Phill says he doesn't like console wars on the internet.
All xbox marketing is aimed at giving arguments and creating narratives for CW.
You can be sure that from now on this will be the narrative of "xbox fans":
they will make spiderman MM (PS5) vs spiderman (PS4) montages to say it can ran on the PS4 and say that Sony is anti consumer.
But if games come out only on SX, it will be good because it is freedom for the developer.
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REE Machine
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Yea but they also are having new games scaled back to a console that could play dead framerate 3 or even scalebound properly, and you think an old system that cant run those games can run the next two year catalogue of next gen games?
anothertech
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Hahahahaaa!!
What a clusterfuck!!
You could quote him saying 180 opposite and still be right lolol
What a clusterfuck!!
You could quote him saying 180 opposite and still be right lolol
LittleBusters
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Agreed that Aaron Greenberg should be fired.
LittleBusters
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XBox 180 all over again! Sony is very clear that the new titles coming after PS5 launch will be PS5 exclusive!
LucidFlux
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Well that's another spin on things. We just rewrote my company's brand messaging pillars so it's been fascinating comparing the vastly different marketing approaches for both companies. Sony has taken a clearly defined position for their new product (We believe in generations, experience not before possible, etc.) whereas Microsoft is taking a much wider approach (52 CU wide) and are focused on checking as many boxes as they can, pandering to seemingly every type of customer. Pro consumer is always the best stance to take but it's disingenuous when it comes at the expense of compromising your product offering in the eyes of your core audience. If you are mandating that some number of these games for X number of years must also work on your old platform then you are not providing customers who are purchasing your new hardware with the best experience possible. It isn't dishonest, the experience will of course be better, but as the expression goes you can't have your cake and eat it too and for however long these games are mandated to work on Xb1 then the experience will be compromised.
Anyway, Microsoft has said this "to...allow players to play the games that they want with the people they want to play with, anywhere they want..."
and this "all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices"
but also this "If a creator comes to us and says 'No, I really want to focus on next generation' with their games, we're completely open to that and we're very supportive of that."
So it's freedom for the players to play where they want on the device they want, except when it's trumped by the freedom of the 2nd and 3rd party creators who don't want to?
I get what they're doing. Throwing the kitchen sink is really quite a genius approach if you don't read between the lines.
I just hope MS actually comes out next week and wows us with some great content. It's been too long since I've been excited about Xbox.
Anyway, Microsoft has said this "to...allow players to play the games that they want with the people they want to play with, anywhere they want..."
and this "all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices"
but also this "If a creator comes to us and says 'No, I really want to focus on next generation' with their games, we're completely open to that and we're very supportive of that."
So it's freedom for the players to play where they want on the device they want, except when it's trumped by the freedom of the 2nd and 3rd party creators who don't want to?
I get what they're doing. Throwing the kitchen sink is really quite a genius approach if you don't read between the lines.
I just hope MS actually comes out next week and wows us with some great content. It's been too long since I've been excited about Xbox.
NullZ3r0
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No its not. He simply said that unlike Sony, MS first party studios won't be mandated to create just first party games. On the other hand, if a studio (like Bloober Team) wants to only target next Gen, Phil won't force them to do otherwise.
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LittleBusters
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LucidFlux
- The problem for Microsoft is 90% of their sales in the last few years have been XBox One S, not X. Whereas I hear Sony is building 9-10 million PS5s for the launch period. They know they can have games that will only come on PS5 and people will still buy the more expensive hardware in the multi-millions during the Nov-Feb period, whereas Microsoft doesn't have that prospect. So MS plays this 'we're consumer friendly' card, but to what avail?
Nickolaidas
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"We're going to release all our games on every single X-Box system (yes, even the 2001 one), but they're only going to be playable on a Series X. The Series X is 12TFs, but it's also 25, 48 and 224 according to the needs of the game. The Series X needs to be online all the time, but you can play offline with no problem whatsoever. We're not releasing any single player games, but many of our games won't have a multiplayer and/or online component whatsoever. Our main rival in this generation is the Stadia, but we're actually considering the NES to be the Series X main antagonist."
"Any questions?"
"Any questions?"
Thirty7ven
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“Yes, no, maybe. It could, if, but. It’s whatever you guys want to hear and whatever suits our goals. Listen the takeaway is that this is good for everyone.”
LucidFlux
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Exactly. This is why their messaging is so convoluted to the informed folk. For those who don't keep a finger on the pulse of this industry, Microsoft has solutions to sell everyone whether it's their most powerful console or a subscription on a device you already own. We'll see how it turns out soon enough.
LittleBusters
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TBH I see the future for XBox as Game Pass on PC & xCloud on Android, not Xbox hardware.
REE Machine
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They may as well just become an app and stay services based at this point then because phil is not giving me incentive to pick up the new hardware. Its like going into a restaurant and the owner comes up to me and says "well just so you know, you dont have to eat here"
IntentionalPun
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LOL
In the end, all I care about are the games.. not the PR.
So you can be wishy washy with PR all you want Phil, and Greenberg can be a brain dead dolt on Twitter... just make me have fun.
In the end, all I care about are the games.. not the PR.
So you can be wishy washy with PR all you want Phil, and Greenberg can be a brain dead dolt on Twitter... just make me have fun.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
The messaging is fine, he said they will have first party games on both Xbox One and Series X for the next couple of years. He never said all first party games.
jakinov
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There's a difference between making something exclusive because you can versus because you have to. I don't know what mandate Sony has or the goals of individual developers. But it's fine to praise both points. If a developer can release a game on an older platform but chooses not to because they want them to buy a new console, that's not in the favor of the consumer. There stance is basically, that they aren't going to arbitrarily decide, nope don't release it on Xbox One because we want to sell new Xboxes; but if a developer really wants to make a game that won't work on Xbox One then they won't stop them.
I don't think PlayStation is doing anything against the consumers interest unless they know certain games coming out would work perfectly fine on a PS4 but refuse to release it simply to sell more consoles near launch. Even if they did it, it's a pretty mild thing to do. Business to consumer relationship is about balance of benefit between two parties. You can't be 100% for the consumer. Else McDonalds would serve all breakfast items 24/7 and never close the inside of their restaurant ever; and every store would be open 24/7 for the benefit of the consumer.
sainraja
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What you say and do aren't always in alignment . That's clearly the case here and the reason for why YOU even need to point that out. They've been saying they want to make games accessible across as many devices as they can.
What he is saying now is no different than what's happened in the past with 360/PS3 → XONE/PS4. We had games that were "cross-generation." You don't try to market something that's already the standard. From what I understood and based on this thread a lot of other people, is that you could buy an Xbox One game and later buy the same game for the Series X and you'd get the updated version.
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Bernkastel
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Yes, its called Smart Delivery.
ShaikhCroft
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They said they won't be announcing a game that is more than a year left till release. So is it possible for Hellblade 2 being a Holiday 20 title?
Bernkastel
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Its definitely not holiday 2020.They said they won't be announcing a game that is more than a year left till release. So is it possible for Hellblade 2 being a Holiday 20 title?
pasterpl
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any source for the bolded part?
mckmas8808
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I think Phil is "ONLY" talking about 3rd party devs here guys.
sainraja
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Okay? lol did you read the conversation that I was responding to?
BTW, 'smart delivery' was exactly what Sony did last gen with PSN titles, it was just called 'cross-buy'. Now I don't know that if PS3 hardware was easy to port from to PS4, would Sony have done the same? I can't say but I don't doubt it since they did it with the PSN titles; BUT marketing something differently doesn't change what it is.
And unless you are only responding to me to clarify to the person I was responding to, that it's been the topic of discussion, then OK, I get what you are trying to say, otherwise, I am completely lost.
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LOL, how silly of me. YOU are that person.
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Bernkastel
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The Medium does not have Smart Delivery mentioned in the Xbox page. They never said every game has to support it.
sainraja
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OK? I am not questioning that. Point is, they've been marketing the opposite. You're thinking or arguing that it's been clear when it hasn't really been. What you are saying, they have only NOW clarified that not every game has to support it but every other messaging from them has said the opposite. That is why this thread exists. How is that completely lost on you?
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Balducci30
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Ok good. I’m glad this attitude is changing. Cus I’m not buying a new fucking console just to play games that are on a console that is discontinued
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JimiNutz
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I thought all XSX games would only be playable on XB1 for the first year? Maybe I made that time frame up but I thought that they had only guaranteed to support the XB1 ecosystem of consoles for a limited timeframe - it was never gonna be for the entire next generation?
I'm guessing if you're a first party studio and your game isn't likely coming out for two years or so then you will only develop for XSX.
I'm guessing if you're a first party studio and your game isn't likely coming out for two years or so then you will only develop for XSX.