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Drama Clickbait Phil Spencer "Just being honest" Claims Advantage over PS5

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Could have sworn Gears just released a couple months ago lol. You and your cheerleader should stick to the spec thread.
Lol gears wasnt a banger, was announced before 2015 and what are it sales? If it hit 10 million phil would be screaming that from a mountain, gears much like halo has been on a downward spiral since the original creators epic and bungie left the product.
343 and the coalition have not done those pillar franchises any justice at all
 
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Lol gears wasnt a banger, was announced before 2015 and what are it sales? If it hit 10 million phil would be screaming that from a mountain, gears much like halo has been on a downward spiral since the original creators epic and bungie left the product.
343 and the coalition have not done those pillar franchises any justice at all

Who's talking about sales? But nice move of the goal posts

Was a good game. Nothing comes close to the original trilogy of either tho. Sorry Phil hurt you and your cheerleaders feelings.
 
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Who's talking about sales? But nice move of the goal posts

Was a good game. Nothing comes close to the original trilogy of either tho. Sorry Phil hurt you and your cheerleaders feelings.
Im talking about sales, bangers dont just light up the scoreboard of reviews but of sales as well, thats how you know they are going to be hits and bangers in the first place. When Halo 1-3 was launched it meant something. The xbox team lost alot of steam this gen and hopefully they get it back which is why im a skeptic because this gen was nothing but promises and failures
 
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How can you say they have the smallest advantage of any console generation and then turn around and say the paper spec war is meaningless?? Clear contradiction since you based the first statement on paper specs.
what? his first statement says its the smallest gap of any gen which means its meaningless. reading comprehension maybe?
 
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Im talking about sales, bangers dont just light up the scoreboard of reviews but of sales as well, thats how you know they are going to be hits and bangers in the first place. When Halo 1-3 was launched it meant something. The xbox team lost alot of steam this gen and hopefully they get it back which is why im a skeptic because this gen was nothing but promises and failures

This gen was a huge farce for Xbox. Im not disputing that. Phil was behind the 1x and now the xsx and look how well they were done. They didn't cheap out on specs. The 1x wasn't going to turn the gen around tho, the damage was done pre launch for the xone.

They're doing right by acquiring all the studios they have 16 studios now. From the looks of it, a new Fable and PD. Its safe to think that next gen may actually be as the 6th and 7th.
 

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Sony added custom hardware. Microsoft added custom hardware. I'm not discounting it, but it's not going to make one console dramatically better than the other from Base RDNA2. The number of CUs by itself isn't relevant. It's the CUs and clockspeeds that matter.
yep. at the end of the day, tflops are the best indicator of performance. its why we shouldnt just look at CUs and we shouldnt just look at clocks. since the tflops gap is 18% in the best case scenario, i'd say thats what we will see here. roughly 20% more pixels and thats pretty much it. 20% might get them RT shadows as well. but thats where the advantages should end.

of course, the variable clocks are the wild card here, and that remains to be seen, but i just dont see it being a big deal. sony devs would just drop the resolution to 1440p or 4kcb and match whatever MS is doing.
 
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This gen was a huge farce for Xbox. Im not disputing that. Phil was behind the 1x and now the xsx and look how well they were done. They didn't cheap out on specs. The 1x wasn't going to turn the gen around tho, the damage was done pre launch for the xone.

They're doing right by acquiring all the studios they have 16 studios now. From the looks of it, a new Fable and PD. Its safe to think that next gen may actually be as the 6th and 7th.
They sure didn't cheap out on specs but did cheap out on games that should have been made an allowed of the hardware.
Xbox outright have up when the race barely started, you can't tell me that sony have up with the ps3? You know how they could have comeback and won much like the ps3? Make good games which is whyno matter how much the ps3 cucked their launch, they kept in the race and came back to win last gen, ms threw the towel in before Drago got in the ring.
Acquiring studios is one thing but they need organic growth and development, Naughty dog and even SS grew overtime and didn't start by making bangers. Which of why i think this gen for MS will still be a catch up gen
 
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They sure didn't cheap out on specs but did cheap out on games that should have been made an allowed of the hardware.
Xbox outright have up when the race barely started, you can't tell me that sony have up with the ps3? You know how they could have comeback and won much like the ps3? Make good games which is whyno matter how much the ps3 cucked their launch, they kept in the race and came back to win last gen, ms threw the towel in before Drago got in the ring.
Acquiring studios is one thing but they need organic growth and development, Naughty dog and even SS grew overtime and didn't start by making bangers. Which of why i think this gen for MS will still be a catch up gen

Ps is a worldwide brand unlike Xbox. Sony also didn't basically tell fans to go fuck themselves with things like no used games, always online, and Mattrick.

MS also made the mistake of chasing the Wii fanbase with Kinect.

Sony made a mistake on price and it was addressed and improved on. Without direct competition we will have to accept whatever shit practices these companies force on us.
 
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The likelihood of Phil showing up with better looking trailers is extremely low. There's a possibility that Phil will show up with impressive trailers in their own right, and may be more shocking just because they are things we haven't seen in ages (Perfect Dark, Fable). But I do not expect them to look technically better than Horizon 2, Ratchet, Demons Souls, or Spider-Man. If they go with a fully cinematic BS trailer like Hellblade 2, maybe, but Hellblade 2 does not impress me because it's not representative of what you'll play.

And you're right. Phil talks all the time. Every single E3 is basically "the biggest Xbox games showcase in history", and that tag line is annoying because it's rarely accurate where it counts.

His recent responses seem pretty salty for whatever reason.
i think it all depends on what they do with the resolution. if they stick with native 4k then yes, i dont see them being much better. however, if they show up with some photorealistic looking games like hellblade 2 or games with photorealistic artstyle period, then sony's games are going to start looking dated. they showed way too many pixarish looking games with demon souls being the only somewhat realistic looking game.

also, if MS shows up with gameplay demos with insane destruction, weather effects and NPC enhancements then again, they are gonna wow more. i mean sony set the bar so low, i was more impressed by tlou2's gameplay scenarios and setpieces than anything i saw at their conference. all they have to do is show next gen gameplay.

i have faith in MS solely because their new studio has a lot of ex naughty dog, insomniac and SSM employees. they have the talent, i really hope they dont waste them on cross gen games, native 4k or 60 fps. all their games should be on PC so any 60 fps truthers can just play them on pc. they have already wasted 343i making a cross gen game at 60 fps, i really hope they rest of their studios putting those 12 tflops to good use.
 
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Ps is a worldwide brand unlike Xbox. Sony also didn't basically tell fans to go fuck themselves with things like no used games, always online, and Mattrick.

MS also made the mistake of chasing the Wii fanbase with Kinect.

Sony made a mistake on price and it was addressed and improved on. Without direct competition we will have to accept whatever shit practices these companies force on us.
They made the mistakr of making a shit console that was hard as fuck to program for which caused developers to be super pissed off at them for which is why cerny had to go out with the ps4 and ask them how can we not fuck up again
 

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They made the mistakr of making a shit console that was hard as fuck to program for which caused developers to be super pissed off at them for which is why cerny had to go out with the ps4 and ask them how can we not fuck up again

You can afford to piss off devs before you can afford to piss your fanbase tho.

Eventually developing got better and 1st party support picked up as well.

The most defining moment of this gen is and probably will remain the xbox unveiling with Mattrick. That shit has haunted the console the whole gen.

Next gen will be to make or break Phil.
 
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You can afford to piss off devs before you can afford to piss your fanbase tho.

Eventually developing got better and 1st party support picked up as well.

The most defining moment of this gen is and probably will remain the xbox unveiling with Mattrick. That shit has haunted the console the whole gen.

Next gen will be to make or break Phil.
And yet the reversed it and turned drm off etc. But the main thing they forgot to do was make great games. They even added back compat and that did nothing for them, hell they probably added it because they didnt have great new exclusive games to play in thr first place and want you going back further into your library to play something relevant
 
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i think it all depends on what they do with the resolution. if they stick with native 4k then yes, i dont see them being much better. however, if they show up with some photorealistic looking games like hellblade 2 or games with photorealistic artstyle period, then sony's games are going to start looking dated. they showed way too many pixarish looking games with demon souls being the only somewhat realistic looking game.

also, if MS shows up with gameplay demos with insane destruction, weather effects and NPC enhancements then again, they are gonna wow more. i mean sony set the bar so low, i was more impressed by tlou2's gameplay scenarios and setpieces than anything i saw at their conference. all they have to do is show next gen gameplay.

i have faith in MS solely because their new studio has a lot of ex naughty dog, insomniac and SSM employees. they have the talent, i really hope they dont waste them on cross gen games, native 4k or 60 fps. all their games should be on PC so any 60 fps truthers can just play them on pc. they have already wasted 343i making a cross gen game at 60 fps, i really hope they rest of their studios putting those 12 tflops to good use.
I'm pretty sure that Microsoft is going to be pushing resolution and framerate, if Phil's immersion comment is anything to go by. The fact that Lockhart does appear to still be real also tells me that 4K will be the target for XSX, with 1080p for XSS.

Hellblade 2 has already shown up but we all know that the cinematic trailer won't be indicative of gameplay. I can't really get excited about highly cinematic trailers that aren't representative of visuals we will see. I agree if they show up with a clear leap on NPC counts, destruction, physics, etc...then that will look more "next gen" because it's something we don't currently have. But the games rumored don't really lend themselves to those sorts of features.

I think MS will likely have some very strong showings for Fable, and I hope I'm pleasantly surprised by Perfect Dark from the Initiative (if real), but are they going to show destruction, physics, extended gameplay that looks better than what Sony showed? I honestly don't think so. I am keeping my expectations in check. You could argue which games look better to certain people, which usually comes down to preference on art style rather than anything technical.
 
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And yet the reversed it and turned drm off etc. But the main thing they forgot to do was make great games. They even added back compat and that did nothing for them, hell they probably added it because they didnt have great new exclusive games to play in thr first place and want you going back further into your library to play something relevant

Cuz people voted with their wallets. The damage was already done tho. BC is always asked for, they probably figured to add it since Ps4 doesn't support it. But bc is only a nice option, not a console seller.
 
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Oh halo and gears were shown at the third party event? Nice to know
My comment wasn't limited to the 3rd party event I said they showed it I didn't say where it was shown SMH.
 

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I mean honestly though, I feel better about Xbox's launch lineup of exclusive games over PS5's and Xbox hasn't even fully said all their launch titles yet. Halo Infinite, Gears Tactics, Psychonauts 2, Scorn, The Medium and those smaller games shown at the May event were all looking pretty good. Meanwhile for PS5 we have Spider-Man, Astro-Bot, Kena and a few other smaller games? Most of the PS5 games shown at their big event did not have any sort of release window, so it's hard to know when they will come out.
this has to be the most hypocritical post I have read all week!!!
 

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People really need to stop with this "weak console" narrative. PS5 isn't in any way weak nor does it matter for sales or talking points. These graphical differences are getting less and less. Try as hard as you might say otherwise.

Sony could talk big about their first party games compared to MS yet they don't. The let the games do the talking for themselves. Anything else is a waist of time which MS seems to love doing.

They can also talk big about how their ecosystem makes more money than all of MS and Nintendo combined.

Sony doesn't try and prove anything i've notice. They just leave it up to reality.
PS5 is to weak as Xbox One is a failure.

Neither one is true, but if you aren’t first you are last.
 
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Well neither Cerny or Jim Ryan aren't in a position to drop digs as they are delivering a weaker console and ecosystem so they have to take it now, but his former company CEO did digs with the game trade, so its all fair game as that was significantly more disrespectful move then anything Phil or Greenberg did so far.
Or Xbox just isn't a threat.
You don't pick on the weak.

MS is like Jerome le Banner.
A powerfull fighter with a glass jaw who is liked by many but never managed to actually win a K1 GP.
 
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Lol gears wasnt a banger, was announced before 2015 and what are it sales? If it hit 10 million phil would be screaming that from a mountain, gears much like halo has been on a downward spiral since the original creators epic and bungie left the product.
343 and the coalition have not done those pillar franchises any justice at all
Gears and Halo have lost so much relevance this gen it's actually quite sad. They're not the games they once were.
 

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Lol gears wasnt a banger, was announced before 2015 and what are it sales? If it hit 10 million phil would be screaming that from a mountain, gears much like halo has been on a downward spiral since the original creators epic and bungie left the product.
343 and the coalition have not done those pillar franchises any justice at all
Gears and Halo have lost so much relevance this gen it's actually quite sad. They're not the games they once were.
I think that this notion pushed by some that those two franchise are still impactful, beyond the core, really stymies the conversation. That said, I miss the hype those games used to generate. Remember when Gears and Halo launches were events that broke through to mainstream news coverage. I remember we had BBCNEWS and other EU and National news media covering the launches.

But they haven't captured mindshare in that way for some time.
 

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I miss the hype those games used to generate. Remember when Gears and Halo launches were events that broke through to mainstream news coverage. I remember we had BBCNEWS and other EU and National news media covering the launches.
That kind of coverage, already back then, was not as spontaneous as you believe.
 

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I think that this notion pushed by some that those two franchise are still impactful, beyond the core, really stymies the conversation. That said, I miss the hype those games used to generate. Remember when Gears and Halo launches were events that broke through to mainstream news coverage. I remember we had BBCNEWS and other EU and National news media covering the launches.

But they haven't captured mindshare in that way for some time.
I miss those days too. Now they're damp squids compared. MS didn't even give launch numbers they were so embarrassed. In the past they'd shout them from the rooftops

I remember last gen yearning for the day playstation would have their halo and gears killers in terms of sales. Now they've got so many of them, far more relevant going into next gen.

Forza is the only one of the Holy trinity to gain traction this gen. 1 out of 3 ain't so good.
 

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Ps is a worldwide brand unlike Xbox. Sony also didn't basically tell fans to go fuck themselves with things like no used games, always online, and Mattrick.

MS also made the mistake of chasing the Wii fanbase with Kinect.

Sony made a mistake on price and it was addressed and improved on. Without direct competition we will have to accept whatever shit practices these companies force on us.
You think Mattrick still has a Kinect hooked up? Or am I the only one?
 

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I mean honestly though, I feel better about Xbox's launch lineup of exclusive games over PS5's and Xbox hasn't even fully said all their launch titles yet. Halo Infinite, Gears Tactics, Psychonauts 2, Scorn, The Medium and those smaller games shown at the May event were all looking pretty good. Meanwhile for PS5 we have Spider-Man, Astro-Bot, Kena and a few other smaller games? Most of the PS5 games shown at their big event did not have any sort of release window, so it's hard to know when they will come out.
just FYI, Kena is coming to Xbox, too. Just later.
Astro is free and comes pre-installed.
 

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...of course, the variable clocks are the wild card here, and that remains to be seen, but i just dont see it being a big deal. sony devs would just drop the resolution to 1440p or 4kcb and match whatever MS is doing.
The battle will be I/O, geometry. shaders and utilization vs raw Tflops. If I had to bet today I would bet 100 bucks on Cerny rather than Phil in terms of what makes the biggest difference on the screen. Ultimately we will not know of course until we have tear downs and all that but as I stated I am willing to bet that MS jumped the gun on the 'most powerful' in this battle.
 
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You know this is simply not true. We can go down that road, but I'd rather not. Wondering why there is no sales data on Gears 5 or FH4?

Xbox1
Halo 5: 5 mil
Gears 5: No data
Gears 4: 2.6 mil
FH4: No data
FH3: 2.5 mil

PS4
Uncharted 4: 16 mil
Spider Man: 13.2 mil
God of War: 10 mil
Horizon Zero Dawn: 10 mil
GT Sport: 8 mil
TLOURemastered: 10 mil
TLOU2: 4 mil (within a week)
FF Remake: 3.5 mil
Detroit Become Human: 3.2 mil
Death Stranding: 2.7 mil
Killzone SF: 2.1 mil
Bloodborne: 2 mil
Driveclub: 2 mil
Knack: 2 mil
Infamous: 1 mil

To put this in perspective. The horrible GT Sport (I prefer Forza Horizon) sold more than every Forza game combined that was released on XB1.
Okay, two mistakes you're constantly making:

1) Sales do not intrinsically speak to quality of a game product. Rather, they speak to the perceived valuation of the game's identity/brand, which are usually shaped by things aside from the game itself such as marketing, review scores (which are a game of politics and access/perk relations in and of themselves), nostalgia (if it's an entry to a long-running franchise like, say, Mario), etc. Everyone knows that marketing and retail/digital distribution are the biggest factors in a game's sales, as well as brand identity. Actual objective or even subjective quality merit of a title does not play as big into a game's impact, unless that is of course bolstered by critic reviews which increase the value of the brand identity.

There are many, MANY great games throughout the industry's history that sold like shit, or drew revenue like shit. Earthbound, Alien Soldier, OG Metroid Prime, Dragon Force, Ys, SF3 3rd Strike etc. Of course, that depends on what baseline you use to determine "good sales", but the people who do what YOU do, usually never consider that not every game needs to sell gangbusters in the first place, to recoup on production costs and turn a profit. So a figure that might seem low compared to some of the higher-selling games you have on your list, could in fact have turned in very health profit, or maybe even more profit than some of those games listed. Speaking of which...

2)Sales do not tell you the profit the game generated. I'm glad you listed TLOU Remastered because that's literally a perfect example of what I'm talking about here. That game was aggressively bundled with PS4 models during big shopping seasons, therefore automatically boosting the install base of that game's sales figures. Do you count them as "normal" sales if they were bundled with PS4s? Because if we are just talking about raw sales, sans bundles, that game's LTD would be notably lower.

Then there is the fact that most AAA games that aren't Nintendo tend to drop in price somewhat quickly after launch, and sell the bulk of their LTD (we'll say about 50% - 60%) during their launch period, where the games are at full price. So if a game is getting a large share of its sales from price drops, that means less revenue on each copy sold, which means less profit. Yes this isn't quite an issue with digital sales copies but then you'd have to know the ratio of physical to digital sales for each individual title. And even in the case of digital, there are sometimes price reductions for sale offers.

Many games, particularly today, have sold relatively few copies compared to bigger titles yet have been extremely revenue-friendly and therefore profitable. SFV is a perfect example of this, thanks to their DLC model. In fact quite a few fighting games in general benefit here, but I'd say SFV, Tekken 7 and maybe DOA6 (DOA5 for sure; 6 has had a LOT of problems though) are the clearest examples of this (though IIRC Tekken 7 has also sold more copies than SFV).

........

So basically, you're trying to use sales as a barometer for quality, either intentionally or not, and that's missing out on key factors aside from any objective/subjective quality of the game's design or gameplay that influence sales a good deal more.
 
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The battle will be I/O, geometry. shaders and utilization vs raw Tflops. If I had to bet today I would bet 100 bucks on Cerny rather than Phil in terms of what makes the biggest difference on the screen. Ultimately we will not know of course until we have tear downs and all that but as I stated I am willing to bet that MS jumped the gun on the 'most powerful' in this battle.
The "most powerful" is a marketing angle; anyone who genuinely believes either of these companies would have only looked at raw power and nothing else are fooling themselves. Both Sony and MS (I fail to understand how this needs continued emphasis) have customized their systems for power targets they are happy about, PLUS efficiency in optimizing the pipeline.

You and I have discussed this in some of the other threads and yes we touched on Sony's optimizations like the cache scrubbers and of course the SSD I/O but did you not listen to what I was mentioning in terms of Microsoft's? They haven't outright mentioned some of theirs like Sony have, but the evidence is there. The ARM co-processor block mentioned in the Indian AMD engineer's LinkedIn profile (if this were just for non-essential tasks it wouldn't bear mentioning the way they did), the expansion of executeIndirect, the benefits of using some of the CPU (on the OS core) for I/O input to/from RAM (allowing CPU-bound tasks to still access RAM simultaneously, something that can't be done on PS5 since the dedicated processor in the I/O block is separate from the CPU and thus will have access to the bus during read/write actions to/from RAM and storage), etc.

Not to mention XvA in general, which certainly appears to not be "brute forcing" to any power threshold, rather it's specifically looking at issues in terms of data and texture use and addressing them through targeted hardware/software solutions that can scale easily to different platforms and stack on top of native SSD I/O hardware. In some ways that actually looks to be a more efficient solution than Sony's, which is relying more on outright hardware of the SSD I/O to achieve its results. However some people seem to mistake saying something's "efficient" compared to another to mean it's superior; the truth is there are a lot of aspects to the SSD I/O between both Sony and Microsoft that are being done so differently they can't necessarily be directly compared, so people clinging to the paper specs there are doing a fool's errand.

Some people including yourself, seem stuck in this idea the 2013 XBO team are still designing the next-gen hardware. That team is dead. Their ideology is dead. And the chief guy who helped steer that ship took a swim off to NowhereLand ages ago. It's a bit frustrating to see so many people still cling to this idea that the hardware design philosophy with Xbox in 2020 is the same as it was in 2013, when the latter was designing a system that just also happened to play then-next gen games adequately; hardcore/core gaming at the forefront was not their focus and that showed.

But like I said, that era is done and if people want to understand how this is a different Xbox division that, in putting core gaming at the forefront of their leading next gen platform's design philosophy, should therefore be a lot more competitive with Sony in terms of system design capabilities (which is a net benefit for developers and gamers), they need to stop acting like this is 2013 all over again.
 
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The battle will be I/O, geometry. shaders and utilization vs raw Tflops. If I had to bet today I would bet 100 bucks on Cerny rather than Phil in terms of what makes the biggest difference on the screen. Ultimately we will not know of course until we have tear downs and all that but as I stated I am willing to bet that MS jumped the gun on the 'most powerful' in this battle.
I'd put my money on the Xbox team only because ever since the OG xbox vs ps2 they only lost the battle of hardware once with the Vanilla Xbox One and PS4. Other than that the Xbox has been the better performer. Xbox one X is so much better than PS4 Pro engineering wise its embarrassing.
 
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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.
 
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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.
You already know the answer to that question
 

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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.
We will hate on them until the day we die.
 

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Nothing has changed in regards to triple A bangers, they havent announced a new triple A ip since 2015, and the last timr they had a hit....i cant even remember.
Same goes for the xbox x all the power but bum ass games for it.
hopefully that changes with the series X
"Bum ass games" is a concept that I associate with the Playstation platform. Unfortunately it's not likely to change anytime soon.
The last interesting game on a Sony platform was Time Crisis on PS3, didn't convince me to buy into the platform though.
Luckily things are different on Xbox.
 
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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.

Dream on.

Look at the insane proliferation of magic SSD threads and downplaying of TFs after it was revealed the anticipated 13.3 TF PS5 was actually the 9.2 GitHub leak O/Ced to 2.23 variable to get it to up to 10,2 TFs.

Do you think a fantastic showing of Xbox games would be any different?
 

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Dream on.

Look at the insane proliferation of magic SSD threads and downplaying of TFs after it was revealed the anticipated 13.3 TF PS5 was actually the 9.2 GitHub leak O/Ced to 2.23 variable to get it to up to 10,2 TFs.

Do you think a fantastic showing of Xbox games would be any different?
True.
The nerves seem to be on the edge in the Playstation camp. With Game Pass being the clear market leader in the subscription sector, it is somewhat understandable though. They know the real next-gen battle is between ecosystems, not pieces of hardware. Their boomer mentality forbids them to accept this simple fact though, and the result is high blood pressure, as can be easily observed throughout this forum.
 
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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.
Its already happening. I keep seeing the whole "well xbox usually starts off the gen well, but then they fizzle out into irrelevance". They already have that buffer ready. That's my bet on the new narrative. The problem with that is - with all the new MS studios, its very unlikely.

Slightly off topic, but looking at some upcoming MS studios games and one that got majorly overlooked is Rare's Everwild. That looks like it will fill a huge void in the Xbox's game libarary. Looks incredible.
 
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If MS focus on framerates, aiming at the 60fps baseline and supporting 120fps+, then I can see them having a winning strategy and clear advantage over Sony. Since the PS3/Xbox360 generation, too much focus has been on graphics and not enough on the gameplay department. With a high framerate target, hopefully we can see a return to more arcade style games and less interactive movies. Bravo to MS for focusing on framerates.
 

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Its already happening. I keep seeing the whole "well xbox usually starts off the gen well, but then they fizzle out into irrelevance". They already have that buffer ready. That's my bet on the new narrative. The problem with that is - with all the new MS studios, its very unlikely.

Slightly off topic, but looking at some upcoming MS studios games and one that got majorly overlooked is Rare's Everwild. That looks like it will fill a huge void in the Xbox's game libarary. Looks incredible.
You're right, they already have lined up their next perfect excuse since it can't be proven or disproven for several years so it gives them a LONG time to enjoy their replacement for "Xbox has no games" mantra. Reality and Xbox having 15 studios won't stand in the way of perfectly good trolling.

Regarding Everwild: I'm already in love with this game, it is so beautiful and gives me an Ori vibe. Please, please be good, I want to play this game so bad.
 

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I just realized Phil has been the head of Xbox since 2014.

Can anyone name a single new truly great IP created for Microsoft since he took over? I've had xbox original, the 360 and the one (including the One X) and I can't currently think of one. I mean we are coming up on a decade here and he's been promoted during that period, while continuing to come in last place.

And he feels good about where they are at? Ok dude. It's really time for him to start putting up or he should shut up. We've been hearing this exact same rhetoric for seven years.
I have the opposite impression. Since taking over Xbox, we’ve seen:

- a return to the emphasis on games with the purchase of numerous studios brought in to develop exclusive content

- a return to magnificent hardware with the Xbox One S, X, and now the Series X which is the most powerful console ever

- multiple extremely pro consumer moves and services like backwards compatibility, Play Anywhere, and GamePass

- a strong emphasis on expanding your ability as a gamer to access your content any time and anywhere with xCloud

- erasing or at least minimizing the terrible stigma associated with Xbox after the reveal and launch

It’s only been six years. I think people used to quick turnarounds in other industries are mistakingly assuming this is something that can be fixed in a couple years. AAA games take longer than that to make and thedevs they signed were already well into committed projects.

I honestly don’t see how he could have done a better job outside of convincing MS to write some checks for games but he seems to not like that.
 

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You have to wonder what the banter will be like on this site after the July event from MS... if they really knock it out of the park with amazing games and visuals and excite the fans are certain people on here actually going to congratulate them or continue to drone on and try and find any and every little thing to belittle about a console they don't ever intend on owning.
Opinions of console warriors are prebaked. They will not change. This applies to both sides. It's really stupid.
 

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Some people including yourself, seem stuck in this idea the 2013 XBO team are still designing the next-gen hardware. That team is dead. Their ideology is dead. And the chief guy who helped steer that ship took a swim off to NowhereLand ages ago. It's a bit frustrating to see so many people still cling to this idea that the hardware design philosophy with Xbox in 2020 is the same as it was in 2013, when the latter was designing a system that just also happened to play then-next gen games adequately; hardcore/core gaming at the forefront was not their focus and that showed.

But like I said, that era is done and if people want to understand how this is a different Xbox division that, in putting core gaming at the forefront of their leading next gen platform's design philosophy, should therefore be a lot more competitive with Sony in terms of system design capabilities (which is a net benefit for developers and gamers), they need to stop acting like this is 2013 all over again.
Firstly - I really enjoy our forum conversations :)

Secondly, You are right in that I do not inherently trust the MS team. I feel genuinely fooled by them and Phil over the last generation and that probably clouds my judgement at times. But do not for one second think I would not like a tremendous show from MS in July. I would be super excited. And the same thing goes for the teardown of the silicon in the XSX - I would be super happy if it was not the same ratio of CUs, shaders, cache and geometry as in a normal pc GPU.

However, since I do not trust them I remain sceptical at the same time fully admitting that I might be wrong. My expectation is a decent July show which will look very similar to a current high-end PC GPU game show and I expect the ratio of the GPU components to more or less mimic the ratios seen on the PC platform (implicitly carrying the PC limitations over to the console, I,e, the XSX is a great value PC). I would be genuinely happy if I am wrong though - just do not think otherwise. The MS team has just not earned any trust from me yet.

As to Sony, the opposite is true this generation (for me). And consequently - right or wrong - I expect some serious customisations on the GPU level with regard to caches, geometry engine and shaders to fulfil Cerny's vision that he laid out at the GDC (and we have many bread crumbs regarding this from developers that have commented on some pieces of the GPU they have got the chance to look at even from before the GDC).

At the end of the day - I want great new games on hardware that many people can get their hands on. In the best of worlds we have two great systems at the end of the year. That would benefit everyone.
 
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"Bum ass games" is a concept that I associate with the Playstation platform. Unfortunately it's not likely to change anytime soon.
The last interesting game on a Sony platform was Time Crisis on PS3, didn't convince me to buy into the platform though.
Luckily things are different on Xbox.
 
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I honestly couldn't care less if Xbox Series X is a bit more powerful. Sony has proven time and time again that they get the best exclusives. If you don't have the games, you're not on my radar.

You make it sound as if Sony is coming out with new exclusives every other week?!😂

Do you wanna know how many games i have Purchased for my Spiderman PS4 Pro since GOW came out? ZERO!!! It literally been collecting dust, the only time i play it is when i have family gatherings and want to show off the PSVR.

In contrast, i have purchased atleast 10 3rd Party games in this same time period for my One X. Usually if the games are not looking better on One X, the performance is better, and that means something to me as a gamer.

The Series X has a 17% Power Edge on the PS5, when over 95% of games that come out are 3rd Party, you better believe I'm gonna be buying most them 3rd Party games on the console with the technically superior hardware that is going to give me the best experience.