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Phil Spencer: Looking to the future of Xbox.

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This weekend during the Xbox Fanfest 2018 (X018) that took place in the capital of the country, we had the opportunity to talk with Phil Spencer, chief executive of the Xbox division, about the way in which the company has been solving the path of Xbox One and, above all, about the plans and future vision they have for it.

"I love the investment we've made in both games and studios. When I think about the future, I think we have a great opportunity in front of us with the PC. The PC gaming community is growing around the world, and I think we can do more work in that market. [...] In the future, what motivates us is to allow players to enjoy the titles they like the most when they want, where they want and with the people they want. Whether it's Mixer, Xbox Live or Xbox Game Pass, we'll put our first party games where people want to play them. It's about giving players the options so they can play, whatever is most convenient for them, and they have the decision whether they want to buy titles or try them out as part of a subscription service, play them on a console or PC, or in different locations. We want to build experiences around the player”.

"We have one of the most successful mobile games that is Minecraft. The game has millions of mobile players but what we notice is that there are millions of others who play it on various platforms. It's not about having a game for a specific device but a game for the player, and that the player has the decision to know where to play it. We're making other games like Gears PoP, which is a touch version of Gears".

"There are games that accommodate certain styles and game sessions in which we will continue to invest but, personally, I love more games with narrative and rich, deep characters that are typical of the industry; that's where I'd like to continue to invest. But it's not about me deciding to move our development approach from the stories and games we have to something completely different, it's about bringing all those experiences to all devices".

"My motivation in the crossplay issue is to generate the industry to continue to grow, and one of the biggest components of allowing this is assuring developers that they are as healthy as possible so that they can reach as many consumers as possible. Today, whether you're a small or medium game with a multiplayer type, you have to manage those communities on every device. And as a small developer, this is too complicated to administer and manage separately. If you're a gamer all you want is to play with your friends, even if they're not on the same device as you.

I think we help the industry grow when we let developers reach more players through their games, while allowing people to play with their friends. This is critical. I'm glad that teams like Epic with Fortnite or even Minecraft itself support the issue, but while it's true that big games are the ones that will lead the way, in the long run, I feel that small and medium games are the ones that will benefit most from this. And in the end, the most benefited is the player, because he is the one who wants to play with his friends. I like to see that there are more developers allowing this".

"We've seen an incredible increase in Game Pass and seen people decide that this is a great way to increase their library. What excites me most about Game Pass are the games that people find in the program and might not have been able to find or enjoy otherwise. Also, we notice that they report a greater attachment to this medium, which translates into healthier behavior for franchises and gameplay in general.”

"We're already thinking about our future hardware. It was a year ago that we launched the Xbox One X and we love the reaction it generated when it positioned itself as the most powerful console on the market. But when we look ahead to the future experiences we seek to create, I want to make sure that we continue to focus on that power and that we are able to offer the best experience to our players. We know that people love to play with their consoles on TV and we are committed to keeping this an essential part of the Xbox brand spirit. But we also know that we need to get to where there are players, like the PC, mobile phones or wherever they are. But the fundamentals of our console are very important to us."
 

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I don't know, but what Phil Spencer has said now and in the past E3 implies he thinks they are going to have the edge in power this gen.
He's a PR person of course he's gonna hype his product
They can't control Sony, its up to them how weak or strong their PS5 is

Of course they could release a year later but i don't think that's smart business wise
 

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He's a PR person of course he's gonna hype his product
They can't control Sony, its up to them how weak or strong their PS5 is

Of course they could release a year later but i don't think that's smart business wise
They can't control Sony, but they probably are releasing later than them and/or already know what specs Sony is going to have.

What isn't smart business wise is bragging about power and not delivering, so I expect him to tell the truth about that.

Releasing a year later than Sony isn't so bad. Third parties are going to be making games for the PS5 install base that will probably look and play better on Xbox. So, for them, it's a win win.

Those who have a one fat or one S, are loyal to xbox. Those who have a One X, have already proven they are willing to wait one year and pay 100 more just to have the most powerful box. Don't think they will lose many customers in that year full of 4k/60 versions of old gen games. Then they will have the edge in power for 6-7 years.
 
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Sounds good to me. Imagine playing Halo 10 on my Mac, Google Chrome book, iPhone, and Android tablet. Just by signing into my Xbox account? Yup. Need to get rid of that separate billing for Xbox Live and Gamepass, first! Why don't we have a bundled pricing for that?
 

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They can't control Sony, but they probably are releasing later than them and/or already know what specs Sony is going to have.

What isn't smart business wise is bragging about power and not delivering, so I expect him to tell the truth about that.

Releasing a year later than Sony isn't so bad. Third parties are going to be making games for the PS5 install base that will probably look and play better on Xbox. So, for them, it's a win win.

Those who have a one fat or one S, are loyal to xbox. Those who have a One X, have already proven they are willing to wait one year and pay 100 more just to have the most powerful box. Don't think they will lose many customers in that year full of 4k/60 versions of old gen games. Then they will have the edge in power for 6-7 years.
Im just saying the only way they edge Sony is by releasing later, but with the mindshare the PlayStation brand has do you really think its smart businesses wise to give them a year head start? they would be practically conceding the gen
PS5 could easily get a 15 million maybe even 20 million headstart the first year, is that really worth losing?

Don't get me wrong, if Sony underdelivers with PS5 im sure this will give MS a chance to deliver proper next yen specs and i will be rooting for MS in that case
 

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Im just saying the only way they edge Sony is by releasing later, but with the mindshare the PlayStation brand has do you really think its smart businesses wise to give them a year head start? they would be practically conceding the gen
PS5 could easily get a 15 million maybe even 20 million headstart the first year, is that really worth losing?

Don't get me wrong, if Sony underdelivers with PS5 im sure this will give MS a chance to deliver proper next yen specs and i will be rooting for MS in that case
Sony will have to shit the bed again like they did with the ps3 for Microsoft to stand a chance at outselling them. Sony has a much larger loyal fanbase. That's what kept them relevant even during the first two years of the ps3. It's mind boggling how many will just buy their system right away.

That's why this market is changing and will expand. No longer does Microsoft want to concentrate on a 150-200 million system market. Look at how far games like Fortnite are reaching. This is why Game Pass is such a marketing strategy along with streaming in the future.
 

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Sony will have to shit the bed again like they did with the ps3 for Microsoft to stand a chance at outselling them. Sony has a much larger loyal fanbase. That's what kept them relevant even during the first two years of the ps3. It's mind boggling how many will just buy their system right away.

That's why this market is changing and will expand. No longer does Microsoft want to concentrate on a 150-200 million system market. Look at how far games like Fortnite are reaching. This is why Game Pass is such a marketing strategy along with streaming in the future.
So you are saying they will just give up on the console market?
They are still pretty strong in the US, i doubt they want to give Sony a big headstart over there
 

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So you are saying they will just give up on the console market?
They are still pretty strong in the US, i doubt they want to give Sony a big headstart over there
Not saying that at all. That's still a sizeable market and why Microsoft will continue to sell Xbox systems but there is a much bigger market out there than just battling it out with Sony.

I do agree that they likely don't want to be a year late. Sony could jumpstart things late next year which may make Microsoft react sooner than they'd like. Then again the original Xbox One is getting old and harder to keep up so maybe they are further along with the next Xbox than I thought but the X is only a year old.
 

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Im just saying the only way they edge Sony is by releasing later, but with the mindshare the PlayStation brand has do you really think its smart businesses wise to give them a year head start? they would be practically conceding the gen
PS5 could easily get a 15 million maybe even 20 million headstart the first year, is that really worth losing?

Don't get me wrong, if Sony underdelivers with PS5 im sure this will give MS a chance to deliver proper next yen specs and i will be rooting for MS in that case
If they do the same as Sony, they have already lost the gen. The difference in mindshare in Europe is brutal.
They have to do something different. They can release a more expensive machine at the same time (and maybe eat the cost difference) or they can release something better a year later. It looks like they are going to do the latter.


Also, is Microsoft coming late with extra power, or maybe Sony is coming too early and underpowered? Next gen the target resolution is 4k. That's 4 times what most games have in base PS4 now. Last gen, we had 10 times more flops and twice the resolution. This time we are expecting something like 6 times the flops and 4 times the resolution. Early games are not going to drop so many jaws. Specially cross gen games, which is mostly what PS5 is gonna get in its first year.

Also, I don't think people in 2019 are going to be craving so much for a new gen as they were in 2013.

If there is a significant power difference between the two consoles, Microsoft might be doing the best move.

Also, a 2020 console might release with GDDR6. Which is going to be expensive at launch but in the long run is going to be cheap as the mass market adopts that type of memory.

I don't know, it's too soon to tell, there is too much missing information, but by now I like MSs likely strategy better.

Edit: What I also don't understand is why so many people in 'that other site' think Sony is also coming in 2020. Everything points to a 2019 release: MS preventively saying last E3 they are working on next gen (feels like they were protecting themselves from Sony potentially announcing next gen), Sony not showing any big new first party PS4 exclusives at E3, MS repeating they are going to be best next gen (another defensive move), no PS experience 2018, lots of games announced before the end of february 2019 (to avoid releasing after next gen is announced).

It really feels like Sony is coming 2019.
 
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In an interview with LEVEL UP as part of X018, Spencer pointed out that at this time among his plans is not to launch a handheld console. This is because people already have similar devices that can fulfill that function. So, what they prefer to do is bring their content to these types of devices.

"I think people already have a portable device and it's their phone. I love what Nintendo has done with the Switch, I think they have done a great job finding a device that isn't really a phone. It has a slightly larger screen and is built with an objective. But I really prefer to bring content to devices that people already have (...) When I think of the portable device market, I think people have already decided that they will have a mobile device and it will be an Android or iOS. That could change in the future and more agents could try it, but I prefer to reach people on the devices they already have," he said.

However, this does not mean that Microsoft is going to stop doing hardware and dedicate itself to bringing content to other platforms. In fact, Spencer was excited about the plans they have for the console market: "The reason I love the consoles we make is because I think we can make them very special. I see it with Xbox One X and the way games run on it. I think it's a great place to play and when I see our future plans I'm very excited about what we're going to do in the console market.

Later, we asked Spencer directly if there are plans for Microsoft to launch a handheld console. In his response, he acknowledged that it's something they've been working on; however, he made it clear that it's not his focus at the moment.

"It's not our focus right now. Our teams are always incubating ideas and many times those ideas get leaked and I get a lot of questions about it. That doesn't bother me, I think it's great that people see the creativity of our hardware teams and some other things we're trying," he concluded.

 
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If they do the same as Sony, they have already lost the gen. The difference in mindshare in Europe is brutal.
They have to do something different. They can release a more expensive machine at the same time (and maybe eat the cost difference) or they can release something better a year later. It looks like they are going to do the latter.


Also, is Microsoft coming late with extra power, or maybe Sony is coming too early and underpowered? Next gen the target resolution is 4k. That's 4 times what most games have in base PS4 now. Last gen, we had 10 times more flops and twice the resolution. This time we are expecting something like 6 times the flops and 4 times the resolution. Early games are not going to drop so many jaws. Specially cross gen games, which is mostly what PS5 is gonna get in its first year.

Also, I don't think people in 2019 are going to be craving so much for a new gen as they were in 2013.

If there is a significant power difference between the two consoles, Microsoft might be doing the best move.

Also, a 2020 console might release with GDDR6. Which is going to be expensive at launch but in the long run is going to be cheap as the mass market adopts that type of memory.

I don't know, it's too soon to tell, there is too much missing information, but by now I like MSs likely strategy better.

Edit: What I also don't understand is why so many people in 'that other site' think Sony is also coming in 2020. Everything points to a 2019 release: MS preventively saying last E3 they are working on next gen (feels like they were protecting themselves from Sony potentially announcing next gen), Sony not showing any big new first party PS4 exclusives at E3, MS repeating they are going to be best next gen (another defensive move), no PS experience 2018, lots of games announced before the end of february 2019 (to avoid releasing after next gen is announced).

It really feels like Sony is coming 2019.
I think Sony is coming 2020+, only thing pointing 2019 its some unsubstantiated rumors
I agree if Sony fucks up by rushing a half baked console it will hurt them, but if they don't rush and deliver a proper next gen beast MS will be at a disadvantage if they give that beast a year Head-start in the market alone
Releasing too soon can be bad (Dreamcast) but waiting too much can cost you the gen, just look at the gc and og xbox, significant power supremacy meant squat


For there to be a huge gap MS would have to release 2 years late or Sony would have to screw up the PS5 design. Either GDDR6 or HBM is a given for both consoles, they won't release with obsolete tech that won't get cost reductions
I wouldn't take PR hype speak as proof of anything
i wouldnt bet money on it. its 50/50 at this point.
tho. the hardware power difference is going to mean very little if both console can do 4k60 at that point it won't mean much
lol this wont happen on fixed hw never, theres no such thing as 60fps standard, its a developers design choice
I suspect we will see CB tittles that push the limit next gen as well
 
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I think Sony is coming 2020+, only thing pointing 2019 its some unsubstantiated rumors
I agree if Sony fucks up by rushing a half baked console it will hurt them, but if they don't rush and deliver a proper next gen beast MS will be at a disadvantage if they give that beast a year Head-start in the market alone
Releasing too soon can be bad (Dreamcast) but waiting too much can cost you the gen, just look at the gc and og xbox, significant power supremacy meant squat


For there to be a huge gap MS would have to release 2 years late or Sony would have to screw up the PS5 design. Either GDDR6 or HBM is a given for both consoles, they won't release with obsolete tech that won't get cost reductions
I wouldn't take PR hype speak as proof of anything

lol this wont happen on fixed hw never, theres no such thing as 60fps standard, its a developers design choice
I suspect we will see CB tittles that push the limit next gen as well
I'm not saying I am sure Sony is coming 2019, it's just what it looks like to me. If Sony is coming 2020, what are they going to show at E3 2019? How is Phil Spencer so sure they are going to have the edge on power? If my memory serves me right, Mark Cerny said specs are locked two years before launch. So they should be making the decision about now.
 
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They can't control Sony, but they probably are releasing later than them and/or already know what specs Sony is going to have.

What isn't smart business wise is bragging about power and not delivering, so I expect him to tell the truth about that.

Releasing a year later than Sony isn't so bad. Third parties are going to be making games for the PS5 install base that will probably look and play better on Xbox. So, for them, it's a win win.

Those who have a one fat or one S, are loyal to xbox. Those who have a One X, have already proven they are willing to wait one year and pay 100 more just to have the most powerful box. Don't think they will lose many customers in that year full of 4k/60 versions of old gen games. Then they will have the edge in power for 6-7 years.
Agreed. Wouldnt surprise me one bit if Microsoft allows Sony to release first and still enter the market with a more powerful box and $100 more, just like the X a year later.
 

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if sony focuses on hardware in the ps5 just for vr support, i really do suspect that MS will have the stronger machine
What do you need for VR Support? Mostly, as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine would put it, ... POWER! Unlimited Poooooweeeer!!!

:)

I.e: VR needs a very very strong machine, that is all there is to it.
 

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Agreed. Wouldnt surprise me one bit if Microsoft allows Sony to release first and still enter the market with a more powerful box and $100 more, just like the X a year later.
Which would be fine and dandy and would make for a cool console too, but would make for some really unpleasant discussions where people would disregard how after a year more of R&D and targeting a much higher MSRP you meet the bar by being more powerful... not doing reality defying tricks, just meting the bar (although if you were a loooooooot more powerful you will be jumping above the bar considerably) :).
 

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Which would be fine and dandy and would make for a cool console too, but would make for some really unpleasant discussions where people would disregard how after a year more of R&D and targeting a much higher MSRP you meet the bar by being more powerful... not doing reality defying tricks, just meting the bar (although if you were a loooooooot more powerful you will be jumping above the bar considerably) :).
Xbox One X was released one year after PS4 Pro, and totally humiliates the console. So I don't see a problem here.

Xbox One X will be able to manage one or two years against PS5, if needs be.
 

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I think Spencer, and to a certain extent MS pride themselves on having the most powerful console on the market. The power gap between the base PS4 and XB1 was the first thing Spencer tackled when he took over Xbox.

MS has no control over what Sony decides to put into the PS5. However, they likely have a pretty good ballpark estimate of what they're going with. This also goes the other way. The difference between MS and Sony, is that MS can afford to adjust their strategy a bit more than Sony.

Sony is tied down more so than MS when it comes to hardware. They have a VR device that will need certain criteria met for, and funds allocated for. They also likely have a price point of $400 which they won't want to exceed. Sony needs the PS4 to be accessible to the masses.
MS isn't as tied down in this regard. They can swing for the fences on power and charge $500 for it. They've already made improvements to their controller this gen, that will likely carry over to the next. They don't have to concern themselves with VR, and all that entails. If Xbox isn't the market leader next gen, then that's ok, as long as they make healthy profits. MS and Xbox are branching out into so many different markets such as subs to gamepass, pc, and streaming that they don't have to win the console war to be successful. Sony needs the PS5 to dominate like the PS4 has. They aren't in the pc space. They've already played their hand with streaming. They likely already have an idea of what the ceiling is for VR adoption. I just think that Sony needs the PS5 to be dominant in order for it to be a success. MS doesn't see the next Xbox that way.
 

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They can't control Sony, but they probably are releasing later than them and/or already know what specs Sony is going to have.

What isn't smart business wise is bragging about power and not delivering, so I expect him to tell the truth about that.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/this-is-the-xbox-one-day-one-achievement.582711/

😉 Tell me about it. Let's be honest, MS thought they had the upper hand before so it's not out of the question. You had Greenberg talking about "We invented DirectX you think we will give a 40% power advantage to PS4" but alas it happened. The only way of knowing is to wait and see.
 

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Man, I'm really, really excited about the next generation of consoles. With Sony still going strong and MS putting so much effort in their first party it's doomed to be a great gen. Loved my 360 despite all the hardware errors it had and was really sad seeing what Mattrick turned it into. Really glad Spencer seems determined to turn the ship around.
 

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Xbox One X was released one year after PS4 Pro, and totally humiliates the console. So I don't see a problem here.

Xbox One X will be able to manage one or two years against PS5, if needs be.
It does not humiliate it, it is doing par for the course considering what we just said. Else we can call the original Xbox a shitty underpowered non ambitious in the slightest DOA system and point at Nintendo Switch output as proof.
 

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They can't control Sony, but they probably are releasing later than them and/or already know what specs Sony is going to have.

What isn't smart business wise is bragging about power and not delivering, so I expect him to tell the truth about that.

Releasing a year later than Sony isn't so bad. Third parties are going to be making games for the PS5 install base that will probably look and play better on Xbox. So, for them, it's a win win.

Those who have a one fat or one S, are loyal to xbox. Those who have a One X, have already proven they are willing to wait one year and pay 100 more just to have the most powerful box. Don't think they will lose many customers in that year full of 4k/60 versions of old gen games. Then they will have the edge in power for 6-7 years.
Releasing a year later did wonders for PS3. lol
 

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Jeeez, were those quotes cherry picked? If not, it seems MS is more focused on their future as a publisher than their future as a console manufacturer.
 

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He knows they are going to have better hardware than Sony this time.
Going forward Microsoft has to ALWAYS have the most powerful console. There is no reason for them to lose that battle and it fits perfectly with how they are trying to position themselves.
 

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Wake me up when Xbox has games I actually want to play that I can't play on other consoles.
 

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Not another “Phil Spencer” thread. Could swear Microsoft has a PR rep here at GAF. Spencer should become a motivational speaker.
 

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To be honest I don't think power came in to the whole buying a ps4 over an xbox one at first.

it was purely the designs of the console and microsofts launching policies that really hurt the system.

People can get past looks of a console, as long as it fits under the TV or next to it, who cares. Policies are a killer and sony made a mockery of the xbox brand with that 1 video which flipped so many people.

I believe if the xbox had launched without these question marks over the policies and lack of communication about them, it would have been a closer launch.

Now though, everyone talks about power of the console and being the best...

the future of xbox should be making a 1st gen "next gen system" that is the same if not similar size the one X, but with some killer exclusive launch titles with no questions about policies or anything, it just all transfers over from the one.
 

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I wonder how much "lock in" will be a factor from now on. If you can carry all of your games and even some peripherals forward with your next console purchase, I suspect a lot more people will just stick with the platform they've got already, unless something really disruptive happens.

To be honest I don't think power came in to the whole buying a ps4 over an xbox one at first.

it was purely the designs of the console and microsofts launching policies that really hurt the system.
A Nielson survey carried out in 2015 had "better resolution" as the number 1 reason people bought a PS4: -

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-26-top-factor-driving-ps4-purchases-is-better-resolution-survey

I think it was the decision to bundle a Kinect with every console that sank them. That's not a cheap peripheral to make and it's likely what contributed to them pricing the Xbox One $100 higher than the PS4, and it being a weaker console. If both consoles were $399.99 in the US, Kinect was sold separately, and the Xbox One was around the same level of power as the PS4, I think people would largely have forgiven their stance on DRM, given that they'd already done a u-turn on it before launch.
 

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😉 Tell me about it. Let's be honest, MS thought they had the upper hand before so it's not out of the question. You had Greenberg talking about "We invented DirectX you think we will give a 40% power advantage to PS4" but alas it happened. The only way of knowing is to wait and see.
Those guys were towing the company line, hands tied, they knew they were putting out a media box with a console taped to the side.
 

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Agreed. Wouldnt surprise me one bit if Microsoft allows Sony to release first and still enter the market with a more powerful box and $100 more, just like the X a year later.
That'll be the DUMBEST idea ever! And MS isn't a dumb company.
 

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That'll be the DUMBEST idea ever! And MS isn't a dumb company.
Double agreed. No way in hell MS let's Sony have a year jump start. I could think of a million ways to try justifying that from a business standpoint, and each one would be deemed corporate malpractice a year or two later. "Well you see Chip, we really thought asking people to hold off because we would release a better system a year later would work. It was so obvious at the time. You know that we were actually competitive when we were able to launch before Sony during the 360 generation, right? So that obviously showed us that the inverse would be true, and we just went with it. Sorry about those missed projections and a 4th straight second place that we poured billions into R&D and marketing for."
 

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I wonder how much "lock in" will be a factor from now on. If you can carry all of your games and even some peripherals forward with your next console purchase, I suspect a lot more people will just stick with the platform they've got already, unless something really disruptive happens.


A Nielson survey carried out in 2015 had "better resolution" as the number 1 reason people bought a PS4: -

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-26-top-factor-driving-ps4-purchases-is-better-resolution-survey

I think it was the decision to bundle a Kinect with every console that sank them. That's not a cheap peripheral to make and it's likely what contributed to them pricing the Xbox One $100 higher than the PS4, and it being a weaker console. If both consoles were $399.99 in the US, Kinect was sold separately, and the Xbox One was around the same level of power as the PS4, I think people would largely have forgiven their stance on DRM, given that they'd already done a u-turn on it before launch.
I tend not to believe surveys done after something's launched... people will already be in their respective "bandwagons" and coming up with their reasons for each system...

However, yes the Kinect was also a big and stupid factor I had forgotten about! - it was pretty stupid of Microsoft to bank on having the already failed peripheral in with a system making it dearer than their rival system....

The damage was done when they said nothing at the announcement of the console and at E3, then playstation had their turn and did the whole "this is how you share games with your friends" showcase humiliating the xbox brand in general... it's one of those "it was at this moment they knew they f***ed up" moments then they started talking about pulling the policies which was little too late.
 

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Releasing a year later did wonders for PS3. lol
If Scarlett is 200$ more expensive with worse GPU, less ram available and worse looking/perfoming multiplatforms, it will crash and burn. And deservedly so.

But I expect Scarlett to be no more than 100$ more expensive, have better CPU, GPU and more ram.

It's not te same case as PS3 at all.
 

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If Scarlett is 200$ more expensive with worse GPU, less ram available and worse looking/perfoming multiplatforms, it will crash and burn. And deservedly so.

But I expect Scarlett to be no more than 100$ more expensive, have better CPU, GPU and more ram.

It's not te same case as PS3 at all.
You have to open your mind to the reality that Playstation as a video game "brand" is an actual world-wide brand. The Xbox brand isn't. So you just can't give Sony a year head start and be priced $50-$100 more expensive, when you are really only huge in 6 countries at best. Whereas the PlayStation brand is huge in over 40 countries.
 

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You have to open your mind to the reality that Playstation as a video game "brand" is an actual world-wide brand. The Xbox brand isn't. So you just can't give Sony a year head start and be priced $50-$100 more expensive, when you are really only huge in 6 countries at best. Whereas the PlayStation brand is huge in over 40 countries.
How are you going to change that situation if you release a console that's the same as PS5 at the same price? Being everything else equal, people are going to go with Sony. Microsoft needs to offer something more.
 

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How are you going to change that situation if you release a console that's the same as PS5 at the same price? Being everything else equal, people are going to go with Sony. Microsoft needs to offer something more.
They need to offer something more, but at the same price and at the same time. They can't give Sony a year head start though. ;)
 

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They need to offer something more, but at the same price and at the same time. They can't give Sony a year head start though. ;)
They for sure have to launch at the same time and for the same price and I agree they have to do more.

If the PS5 is totally back compat with all your PS4 purchases why would people jump to Xbox unless there is a great reason?
 

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How are you going to change that situation if you release a console that's the same as PS5 at the same price? Being everything else equal, people are going to go with Sony. Microsoft needs to offer something more.
I've said the same thing many times as well. It's very hard to break the mindset of brand awareness. Nintendo has admitted dereat years ago, that's why they go their own way now. Always looking for a different way to play. They have some of the best exclusives but whoever gains third party advantage usually will win. Unless you have a gimmick and the Wii at the time had that gimmick.

The best course of action for MS is the path they are on. Going beyond the console wars wall. Game Pass and streaming will be their bread and butter. It's no longer about hardware units sold, it's about user engagement.
 
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How are you going to change that situation if you release a console that's the same as PS5 at the same price? Being everything else equal, people are going to go with Sony. Microsoft needs to offer something more.
I actually agree with this. If waiting a year allows MS to build a cheaper yet more powerful system it will be worth it. It also gives devs one more year to produce a really good launch line-up of games. I get that that first year for xbox fans will suck and everyone will be like omg playstation is amazing bla bla bla, but after that first year MS would reap huge benefits for actually waiting. The world isnt going to stop buying playstations simply because MS releases the next xbox right with the next playstation.
 

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I've said the same thing many times as well. It's very hard to break the mindset of brand awareness. Nintendo has admitted dereat years ago, that's why they go their own way now. Always looking for a different way to play. They have some of the best exclusives but whoever gains third party advantage usually will win. Unless you have a gimmick and the Wii at the time had that gimmick.

The best course of action for MS is the path they are on. Going beyond the console wars wall. Game Pass and streaming will be their bread and butter. It's no longer about hardware units sold, it's about user engagement.

The one thing that can hurt the bolded is if like four 3rd party companies (EA, Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft), Sony, Google, and MS all do the game streaming thing and each one cost it's own set of money. That'll split the gaming user base too thin, for MS to call it their bread and butter.
 
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The one thing that can hurt the bolded is if like four 3rd party companies (EA, Activision, Bethesda, and Ubisoft), Sony, Google, and MS all do the game streaming thing and each one cost it's own set of money. That'll split the gaming user base too thin, for MS to call it their bread and butter.
Sony is caught up too much in tradition to change and allow launch 1st party titles. They also lack the infrastructure to compete on the streaming side of things. PS Now is too hit and miss pending in where you live. Amazon, Google and Microsoft have more servers around the globe to handle the load. Sony would have to partner with somebody.

Think about it, Sony pulled support on the PS3, does that look like Sony is capable or has the desire to get streaming to more devices? Microsoft wants Game Pass even on mobile. Do you see Sony offering PS4 or PS5 games on mobile?

Ubisoft, EA, etc. might have their own but they will not get the bulk of third party. Another company who may enter is Apple. This is where Game Pass will feel rather empty because I don't see other publishers putting new AAA games on it. Streaming is different and this is the space that will be very competitive, I agree.
 

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Sony is caught up too much in tradition to change and allow launch 1st party titles. They also lack the infrastructure to compete on the streaming side of things. PS Now is too hit and miss pending in where you live. Amazon, Google and Microsoft have more servers around the globe to handle the load. Sony would have to partner with somebody.

Think about it, Sony pulled support on the PS3, does that look like Sony is capable or has the desire to get streaming to more devices? Microsoft wants Game Pass even on mobile. Do you see Sony offering PS4 or PS5 games on mobile?

Ubisoft, EA, etc. might have their own but they will not get the bulk of third party. Another company who may enter is Apple. This is where Game Pass will feel rather empty because I don't see other publishers putting new AAA games on it. Streaming is different and this is the space that will be very competitive, I agree.
Lol you and you're blatant nonstop Xbox fanboyism. PS Now streams quite well, and Sony is this ahead of MS in the department.

There is good reason PS Now is making significantly more revenue than GamePass or any competing streaming system.