News PISA 2018: China wipes the floor with the rest of the world

[llien]

The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a worldwide study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in member and non-member nations intended to evaluate educational systems by measuring 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance on mathematics, science, and reading

(the rationale of sorting results of 15 y.o. by reading skill is beyond me, but uh, ok)

I, for one, welcome our Asian Overlords!

 

[Mihos]

All that, and they still had time to make my shoes.

Lazy US kids.....

 

[cryptoadam]

Go Canada! All that blackface must really help with our math and reading!

Sure these chinese kids do well on useless math and reading, but do they know how to have butt sex, put on a condom and can identify 70 genders?

And PISA sounds like some sort of WHYTE racist patriarchal cishet made up thing. Clearly climate change is whats causing this. PISA=Patriarchy Is Super Amazing. F'n knew it.

 

[Trojita]

You can game these by providing 5,000 handpicked students as your "sample". The results are tabulated by the submitting country, not by PISA/OECD themselves.

In 2016 China was 6 in math, 10 in science, and 27 in reading.

You are now telling me they are number 1 at everything?

 

[Nobody_Important]

You can game these by providing 5,000 handpicked students as your "sample". The results are tabulated by the submitting country, not by PISA/OECD themselves.

In 2016 China was 6 in math, 10 in science, and 27 in reading.

You are now telling me they are number 1 at everything?

China is the best country on earth haven't you heard? Just ask their citizens.



P.S. ignore the guns pointed at their heads when you ask btw.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Ahh so you move all the brightest and best party member upper class families into Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang and run their children through a rigorous education system designed around high scores combined with the innate +5 intelligence boost east Asians (C/J/K) get as their racial bonus and you can run the charts. Japan would be higher if they didn't have such a convoluted writing system.

 

[zeorhymer]

I'm both sad and not surprised that Philippines are at the bottom of the list. I always knew they were a 3rd world country and I am thankful that I got out of there.

 

[cryptoadam]

I'm both sad and not surprised that Philippines are at the bottom of the list. I always knew they were a 3rd world country and I am thankful that I got out of there.

Yet all the Fillipinos I know are usually pretty smart and hard working. I guess all the good ones leave ?

(My GF is Pinay)

 

[Cravis]

Who knew that corporal punishment was such a good motivator for learning?

 

[Cucked SoyBoy]

And while the USA goes lower on that list every year, our teachers keep demanding more pay and pension $$$ every year....

Having said that, I have no doubt China simply made up those numbers.

 

[Gashtronomy]

China!

What happened to you China, you used to be cool

 

[zeorhymer]

Yet all the Fillipinos I know are usually pretty smart and hard working. I guess all the good ones leave ?

(My GF is Pinay)

Yeah. The ones that left the islands and immigrated are like that. For some reason, the first (probably 2nd) generation born here don't have the same values.

 

[psorcerer]

The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a worldwide study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in member and non-member nations intended to evaluate educational systems by measuring 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance on mathematics, science, and reading

(the rationale of sorting results of 15 y.o. by reading skill is beyond me, but uh, ok)

I, for one, welcome our Asian Overlords!

Looks bogus.
Probably doctored by the countries.
No Vietnam (real top performer).
Canada seems off.
Doesn't compute.

 

[matt404au]

If you believe self-reported commie stats, sure

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

I 100% believe that the Chinese are very smart and would always rank very highly in academic contests vs the rest of the world. I also believe that China has the best cheaters in the world and the government would encourage cheating if it could boost nationalism in some form or fashion.

 

[llien]

If you believe self-reported commie stats, sure

Singapore, Hong-Kong, cough.

 

[cryptoadam]

I 100% believe that the Chinese are very smart and would always rank very highly in academic contests vs the rest of the world. I also believe that China has the best cheaters in the world and the government would encourage cheating if it could boost nationalism in some form or fashion.

Better than Brady and Bilichek?

 

[Trojita]

Better than Brady and Bilichek?

 

[strange headache]

PISA is a form of standardized tasting that translates very poorly into different educational cultures and settings.

First of all, it is currently not possible to change the language for each test depending on the aptitude of a student. This means that highly monolingual countries such as China are more likely to perform better at the test compared to multilingual education systems.

PISA regulations and standards are vague and rarely enforced, meaning that individual countries can easily manipulate which students and schools are participating, and which are excluded. PISA also has a history of selecting samples from only their best-performing students. China, Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore were some of the examples. Denmark, Finland, Greece, Ireland, and Poland have been known to exclude all students that have some kind of reading and writing disability. Denmark even went one step further and excluded all students that have acalculia. 5 countries simply excluded every student with dyslexia, while countless other countries made every student take the test.

The standards for testing are not unified. In some countries, the tests take place during the regular school times in others they take place after regular school hours. In Switzerland, students need to hand in their tests after 2 hours. In other countries, students can hand in whenever they want. Now, imagine being a 15 year old who's forced to take a boring test outside of regular school time that doesn't even allow you to express yourself. The test has zero repercussions on your school career and you will not even receive any feedback. Would you complete the test or just hand in and be done with it?

Apart from that, many countries allow pupils to drop out of school early. An example would be Portugal, which performed quite well on the test. In reality though, the country has much higher rates of pupils dropping out of school before they're 15 and all of these students obviously did not take part in the test while weaker students still participated in other countries.

There's so many more problems with PISA, but suffice to say that it is not representative of the performance of any given educational system. You cannot just compare school systems like that.

 

[Breakage]

I'm surprised the UK is that high.

 

[Twinsanity]

If you sort that list by math it goes:

China
Macao
Singapore
Hong Kong
Taipei
Japan
Korea

Do the same for Science and its largely the same with Estonia and Finland mixed in towards the bottom.

RotW need to step their game up or get left behind.

Also there are about 35 countries on that list with better Math scores than the US. What in the actual fuck America.

 

[DESTROYA]

And while the USA goes lower on that list every year, our teachers keep demanding more pay and pension $$$ every year....

Having said that, I have no doubt China simply made up those numbers.

Exactly, it’s no secret that China’s university students are known for cheating in exams.
Unlike in the West where individual achievements are celebrated, China has a collectivist culture where the success of the group is more important than the success of the individual.
This sentiment is particularly pervasive in China’s education system.
If the education system is so great in China why do they all want to come to the USA or go abroad to study?

 

[Rentahamster]

Those stats are probably overblown, but that doesn't mean we should be lax in our own educational standards too.

 

[cryptoadam]

If you sort that list by math it goes:

China
Macao
Singapore
Hong Kong
Taipei
Japan
Korea

Do the same for Science and its largely the same with Estonia and Finland mixed in towards the bottom.

RotW need to step their game up or get left behind.

Also there are about 35 countries on that list with better Math scores than the US. What in the actual fuck America.

US math is more focused on if Tommy identifies as a boy today and a girl tomorrow and non binary next week how many periods did Tommy have.

Also if Jim meets Mike and Steven and they each have 5 butt plugs how many double penetrations can they do to each other?

Oh and don't forget math is racist so the issue isn't America, its the systematic patriarchy of racism of the WHYTE numbers that cause students to not do well. But don't worry leftist have the solution, get rid of testing, get rid of the SAT's, get rid of homework (its racist) and even get rid of saying someone got an answer wrong (thats racist as well). If Brad says 2+2=5, telling him that its wrong is racist, correcting him is racist, failing him is racist, calling him him is bigoteted and transphobic.

 

[Ma-Yuan]

I was in China in January on a business trip. Well they did not seem that smart compared to our other work forces around the globe. So yes. Take these results with a grain of salt.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Now let's see the results in the more impoverished and rural areas of China, which I am confident they neglect to report.

 

[MrTickles]

Chinese students in the developed cities typically spend ~12 hours a day at school, 6 days a week. Many sleep in dorms and only go home on Sunday's. Not surprising that they have a big pool of talent to choose from to send to these scholastic Olympiads. Literally tens of millions of world class students. Education in China is as comprehensive as you want it to be.

 

[crowbrow]

Working in Academia, science conferences are flooded with Chinese publications nowadays, it's ridiculous. The problem is that once in the conference, they struggle to share their knowledge cause their command of english is appalling.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What's with the US and crappy math scores. If it was ranked by the math column, they be maybe middle of the pack tops.

 

[Kenpachii]

Nice now they can start creating something, so we can steal it.

 

[ROMhack]

Anecdote incoming:

My master's classes were mostly Chinese people because that's the UK's approach to postgraduate education (social sciences if anybody cares).

Anyways, they weren't very good at a lot of the softer skills such as presenting or thinking critically. This directly had implications for their progress on the course.

They seemed to approach everything by learning rote and so were utterly lost when it came to looking outside of the box, which even putting aside criticism of social sciences for one moment, is a pre-requisite for that style subject. Many of them were obsessed with their phones and spent the whole time in lectures on WeChat and Baidu, etc. Didn't seem to think it was rude at all as collectively everyone was doing it. I was good chums with some of my lecturers and they directly expressed dismay at teaching these types of students.

But yeah, really nice people. Very group-dominated so never, ever, ever tended to be on their own. Maybe that's a big cultural difference.

The funniest moment came during a web design class. The lecturer was going through some basic logic (if/else statements) and asked a question to the class. They all collectively responded straight away and it was the one and only time I saw them do that. Usually you never heard a peep from them.

 

[quickwhips]

At least America is dropping bombs on Japan.

 

[Caffeine]

is that what these aims tests were I remember doing reading, writing, and math 13 years ago. but reading had a 900 scale, writing and math had a 700 scale. if you convert the scales down I scored like a 580 across the board. I would have probably never passed the science test though.

What's with the US and crappy math scores. If it was ranked by the math column, they be maybe middle of the pack tops.

let me put it this way in a machine shop where you need perfect angle cuts for parts most of the highschool graduates getting hired didnt even know how to use a protractor and couldnt understand how a circle has 360 degrees in America this is something you learn in 5th grade and it further compounded upon all the way to highschool geometry.

 

[Kreios]

is that what these aims tests were I remember doing reading, writing, and math 13 years ago. but reading had a 900 scale, writing and math had a 700 scale. if you convert the scales down I scored like a 580 across the board. I would have probably never passed the science test though.

let me put it this way in a machine shop where you need perfect angle cuts for parts most of the highschool graduates getting hired didnt even know how to use a protractor and couldnt understand how a circle has 360 degrees in America this is something you learn in 5th grade and it further compounded upon all the way to highschool geometry.

This doesn’t make sense to me. My school (US) had wood class, metals, home-ec, etc. I almost never see anyone in china that knows basic life skills like these. I’ve witnessed them stare at antifreeze like its mystery juice, and perform open welds with no safety glasses on the street. While it’s true they go hard on math, applying or using it in different ways is a another story.

In any case, I’ve never really been satisfied with the education system in the US, so if I had kids I’d probably home school

 

[Shadowstar39]

What's with the US and crappy math scores. If it was ranked by the math column, they be maybe middle of the pack tops.

If public education is the same as it was when I was in Jr high and high school (early 90s) then I can tell you why US students are worse.

It's unpopular to be smart. Doing good in school and getting good grades wasn't getting you popularity. It also wasn't getting you laid. Let's face it kids in school are going through puberty that's what is on their minds (I know it was on mine at that age). I remember smoking weed and being a rebel to school made people popular. I was into Ad&d, video games, computers, dirt bike riding and fixing and doing good at school in Jr high. I got picked on and wasn't getting close to getting a date.

In 9th grade some friends had some weed. I tried some while dirt bike riding up on the local resovoir hills. It changed my whole perspective. I started caring more about phsycadelic music, drugs, partying and allmost instantly my popularity soared. I started getting blow jobs by camp fire girls and was getting laid.

In order to do this more often I focused more on work and less on school. This led me to driving and having a car before other kids. Which in turn meant I was up a rung in the dating pool. I seen this with a number of other kids too. It seemed if you weren't into football and were smart you weren't getting tail. If you were smart and doing school work/studying you were picked on for it. Going to concerts, and being into grunge or the greatful dead got you popularity and women. It seemed the only way to do this for a young man who wasn't into football. (My high school was known for its undefeated football team and those kids got away with anything as long as they played football).

My personal story gets bad after that from selling weed and lsd then to using harder drugs and to getting rammed off the road and stabbed in Philedalphia. It took years to get back on track and many downfalls.

I didn't take studying and doing good with things until I was almost thirty. I went to college in 2006 yet graduate hs in 96. Now at 40 ive gone full circle I focus on gaming, and Ad&d again, read books and listen to intellectual podcasts, don't do drugs and was married for 8 years (the bitxh ex wife is now off with a younger dude who is a stoner who doesn't work and has kids from 3 different women and got her pregnant at 41, dude has no job lol)

I bring all this up because some kids are really bright and talented. They suppress it to fit in. Peer pressure is a bitch. Many want to get laid as that's what our culture tells them. If you aren't hooking up with people you are a looser (the incel jab the far left uses). So what do you think many teens will do? Screw studying, school work. Look how many kids in America are smoking weed today openly. Or into all these weird sexual things. Porn has been normalized.

I am sure the kids today not into the same music (instead of Jerry Garcia, Kurt Cobain and Metallica, it's all the rap people and booty pop, Drake, Sixnintierwhatever and CardiB) but still the culture of shunning doing good, partying doing drugs, distancing yourself from your family is all there.

If women in high school dated smart kids instead of football players or ones who were super popular then maybe more guys would get into getting good grades. Now take it this is from a guy's perspective and I'm sure it's different for women but not entirely.

If smart kids were championed in pop culture instead of being degraded maybe the US could rise in the ranks. I don't think kids care enough and they have no reason to, the incentives are all wrong and inverted.

I look back and know I could of done better and scored better on tests, as I was 4.0 GPA in college and earned scholarships when I cleaned up and wasn't chasing the dragon.

My story in anecdotal, but I'm sure there are similar tales of saying fuck it, fuck school and partying instead of studying hard and doing the right thing for your life and family. I learned the hard way.

So if teen age girls go after smart geeky kids instead of jocks or druggies than maybe more kids would go that direction. Pop culture makes doing good in school and being a good son/daughter a bad thing and lame. China doesn't have this problem, instead they are held hostage at gunpoint and don't know any differtly.

 

[RedVIper]

I also want to point out that a lost of western countries have tried to move away from standardized testing while Asia fully embraces it. So it's not surprising to see them do better on a standardized test.