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Hardware Hype PlayStation 5 cooling system is 'lavish', makes the PS5 more expensive

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To conclude
  • PS5 is the next PS3 with power of cell and Cerny is the next Kutaragi. Specs dont matter, unless they are told it matters by Cerny
  • It will cost 400 USD, but games will somehow look better on PS5 than XSX. Ahh, the magic of Secret Sauce.
  • PS5 will be cheaper and more powerful than XSX because GAF wishes so, just like they wished for PS5 to be 13 TF.
  • Tempest Engine is better because of Cerny's half an hour ASMR not because they didnt want to spend money licensing Dolby Atmos. It will better even though Xbox did Spatial Audio last gen in Xbox One X and even had Dolby Atmos and DTS:X, now they have a dedicated audio chip for Spatial Audio in Series X along with Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and Windows Sonic. Not to mention Microsoft has been working on Project Acoustics and Audio Ray Tracing since 2012(a topic Cerny lightly brushed aside in his Wired interview and ASMR reveal video).
Never fail me GAF. You are amazing when drunk.
Your lack of a structured and constructive response when evidence is thrown at your face is very telling.

You act like you're levelheaded but in reality, you're just another fanboy. Disappointing to see, really.
 

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And did I post that here ? I said I would post his twitter ramblings if you keep playing the devs card.
I've not been playing the dev card.

That aside, why are the opinions of PlayStation developers not valid?
Why are the opinions of developers whom are all clearly aligned with Microsoft more valid, when discussing the PS5?
  • Louis Kirby has exclusively worked with Microsoft and Nintendo - why would his interpretation of the PS5's specs be any more valid that people whom have actually worked with the PS5 development kit?
  • Similarly Richard Geldreich, has worked for SpaceX, Valve and Ensemble Studios/Microsoft. I don't doubt his capabilities as a developer, but again why is the opinion of a guy who's literally been an Xbox employee more valid when discussing PlayStation more valid than someone from PlayStation?
  • Dynamic Voltage Games are about to release an XSX exclusive game, why would I trust their opinion on the PS5?
I get that you might want to introduce an unbiased view, but to constantly cite people who you would be forgiven for assuming probably have an agenda in fellating Microsoft, doesn't really help. All it does is introduce an opposite bias. I mean none of these people have probably even seen a PS5 devkit, let alone worked with one.
Even if you assume that all the PS5 devs are sucking Mark Cerny's dick and shamelessly wanking the PS5, at least they've fucking used one!

And I mean what is this nonsense?

To conclude
  • PS5 is the next PS3 with power of cell and Cerny is the next Kutaragi. Specs dont matter, unless they are told it matters by Cerny
The PS5's architecture is not even close to being as obtuse as the PS3. Its quite literally exactly the same as the Series X, barring the SSD controllers and Audio technology. Ah yeah, one has variable frequencies and the other doesn't. What a development disaster that is. Its not like most developers don't have to deal with variable frequencies on PC. Its not like they develop games that look fantastic on a 9900K/RTX2080Ti, but still need to be playable on a rig packing a 2500K/GTX960. Its not even close to being that bad. Christ.

  • It will cost 400 USD, but games will somehow look better on PS5 than XSX. Ahh, the magic of Secret Sauce.
  • PS5 will be cheaper and more powerful than XSX because GAF wishes so, just like they wished for PS5 to be 13 TF.
Nobody does this.
  • Tempest Engine is better because of Cerny's half an hour ASMR not because they didnt want to spend money licensing Dolby Atmos. It will better even though Xbox did Spatial Audio last gen in Xbox One X and even had Dolby Atmos and DTS:X, now they have a dedicated audio chip for Spatial Audio in Series X along with Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and Windows Sonic. Not to mention Microsoft has been working on Project Acoustics and Audio Ray Tracing since 2012(a topic Cerny lightly brushed aside in his Wired interview and ASMR reveal video).
Never fail me GAF. You are amazing when drunk.
I mean, how the fuck do you know that the Series X's audio tech is better than the PS5?

Why do you hate PlayStation so much? Is the PS5 not allowed to have a single aspect of it that could potentially be better than the Series X? Is having a 44% larger GPU, 25% higher RAM bandwidth not enough?
Jesus. Its not that deep.
 
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I've not been playing the dev card.

That aside, why are the opinions of PlayStation developers not valid?
Why are the opinions of developers whom are all clearly aligned with Microsoft more valid, when discussing the PS5?
  • Louis Kirby has exclusively worked with Microsoft and Nintendo - why would his interpretation of the PS5's specs be any more valid that people whom have actually worked with the PS5 development kit?
  • Similarly Richard Geldreich, has worked for SpaceX, Valve and Ensemble Studios/Microsoft. I don't doubt his capabilities as a developer, but again why is the opinion of a guy who's literally been an Xbox employee more valid when discussing PlayStation more valid than someone from PlayStation?
  • Dynamic Voltage Games are about to release an XSX exclusive game, why would I trust their opinion on the PS5?
I get that you might want to introduce an unbiased view, but to constantly cite people who you would be forgiven for assuming probably have an agenda in fellating Microsoft, doesn't really help. All it does is introduce an opposite bias. I mean none of these people have probably even seen a PS5 devkit, let alone worked with one.
Even if you assume that all the PS5 devs are sucking Mark Cerny's dick and shamelessly wanking the PS5, at least they've fucking used one!

And I mean what is this nonsense?

The PS5's architecture is not even close to being as obtuse as the PS3. Its quite literally exactly the same as the Series X, barring the SSD controllers and Audio technology. Ah yeah, one has variable frequencies and the other doesn't. What a development disaster that is. Its not like most developers don't have to deal with variable frequencies on PC. Its not like they develop games that look fantastic on a 9900K/RTX2080Ti, but still need to be playable on a rig packing a 2500K/GTX960. Its not even close to being that bad. Christ.

Nobody does this.


I mean, how the fuck do you know that the Series X's audio tech is better than the PS5?

Why do you hate PlayStation so much? Is the PS5 not allowed to have a single aspect of it that could potentially be better than the Series X? Is having a 44% larger GPU, 25% higher RAM bandwidth not enough?
Jesus. Its not that deep.
Don't be fooled by his "articulate and calm demeanor" since these kind of posters do this to avoid a ban, even though the nature of their posts consists of unwarranted dismissal of actual evidence/proof of superiority when it comes to PlayStation 5's features and specific specs.
 

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I've not been playing the dev card.

That aside, why are the opinions of PlayStation developers not valid?
Why are the opinions of developers whom are all clearly aligned with Microsoft more valid, when discussing the PS5?
  • Louis Kirby has exclusively worked with Microsoft and Nintendo - why would his interpretation of the PS5's specs be any more valid that people whom have actually worked with the PS5 development kit?
  • Similarly Richard Geldreich, has worked for SpaceX, Valve and Ensemble Studios/Microsoft. I don't doubt his capabilities as a developer, but again why is the opinion of a guy who's literally been an Xbox employee more valid when discussing PlayStation more valid than someone from PlayStation?
  • Dynamic Voltage Games are about to release an XSX exclusive game, why would I trust their opinion on the PS5?
I get that you might want to introduce an unbiased view, but to constantly cite people who you would be forgiven for assuming probably have an agenda in fellating Microsoft, doesn't really help. All it does is introduce an opposite bias. I mean none of these people have probably even seen a PS5 devkit, let alone worked with one.
Even if you assume that all the PS5 devs are sucking Mark Cerny's dick and shamelessly wanking the PS5, at least they've fucking used one!

And I mean what is this nonsense?

The PS5's architecture is not even close to being as obtuse as the PS3. Its quite literally exactly the same as the Series X, barring the SSD controllers and Audio technology. Ah yeah, one has variable frequencies and the other doesn't. What a development disaster that is. Its not like most developers don't have to deal with variable frequencies on PC. Its not like they develop games that look fantastic on a 9900K/RTX2080Ti, but still need to be playable on a rig packing a 2500K/GTX960. Its not even close to being that bad. Christ.

Nobody does this.


I mean, how the fuck do you know that the Series X's audio tech is better than the PS5?

Why do you hate PlayStation so much? Is the PS5 not allowed to have a single aspect of it that could potentially be better than the Series X? Is having a 44% larger GPU, 25% higher RAM bandwidth not enough?
Jesus. Its not that deep.
And I mean what is this nonsense?
Ever tried checking who I was replying to ? Its literally a gist of his own post.
 

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Don't be fooled by his "articulate and calm demeanor" since these kind of posters do this to avoid a ban, even though the nature of their posts consists of unwarranted dismissal of actual evidence/proof of superiority when it comes to PlayStation 5's features and specific specs.
I mean, you don't need to brigade on the behalf of PlayStation either. Its less powerful. Unless Sony have fundamentally changed RDNA2 with a hell of a lot of customisations, no amount of SSD chicanery is going to overcome a 44% shader deficit - even if the clockspeeds bring the floating point differential down to 10-20%. The PS5 will probably have an advantage in asset streaming and keeping the RAM fed, but the Xbox will just have more GPU grunt and with the higher RAM bandwidth per FLOP, will be able to keep the huge number of shaders nicely fed.
 

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Even now that MS has the better specs, xbox fanboys are getting banned left and right. Lol
Lol, first of all, shoutouts to your avatar...…..I wont say what my allegiance is politically, but your avatar is funny to me...

In any case, XBOX fans thought they had a clean homerun hit, till people started viewing and dissecting the Cerny breakdown, then most folk realized, "it's not as cut and dry"......XBOX fans are having a hard time dissecting it and are furious that there is more talk surrounding the genius custom architecture that Cerny has devised here.....Deep within, they are not sure that Series X's 12.1 TF is all she wrote on what performances and best experiences lies ahead....
 

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I swear I read this as Dynamite COP, I hope you post the video soon......Hopefully he has a PS5 and Series X dev kit to show us in real-time....Please follow up L lady Bernkastel…...Now that's what I want to see, evidence and good argumentations either way.....Cant wait Lady..
If only you checked the post above yours.
 

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Lady Bernkastel Lady Bernkastel 's post above:
I respect John and he was one of the first people to praise the PS5's SSD as revolutionary.

On the other hand, Dictator has always shown partial/inclination towards specific platforms which makes his posts less reliable to base your informed opinion on.
MHK come on bro, really? The guy I agree with is right and the guy I disagree with has always been wrong?
 
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If only you checked the post above yours.
Come on, no need to get that way......Dynamite COP and Dynamic Games are kinda close…...Thought Dynamite Cop was a dev for a minute.....Anyway, what games have Dynamic Voltage Games developed.…..Are they saying they wont be able to run it at 4k 120fp son PS5 if they had to.....?
 
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Come on, no need to get that way......Dynamite COP and Dynamic Games are kinda close…...Thought Dynamite Cop was a dev for a minute.....Anyway, what games have Dynamic Voltage Games developed.…..Are they saying they wont be able to run it at 4k 120fp son PS5 if they had to.....?
If you checked that post above your previous post, you would have realised it won't. The one from the ex-GG Dev.
 
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Even now that MS has the better specs, xbox fanboys are getting banned left and right. Lol
That's because they've been putting in overtime trolling PS5 threads since the spec reveal.
I dont mind Xbox fans discussing things in a civil manner and sticking to the topic at hand but if everytime they enter threads with 'Lol PS5 is weak ass shit' driveby posts with no intention to discuss the topic, then they absolutely deserve to be banned.
 
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If you checked that post above your previous post, you would have realised it won't. The one from the ex-GG Dev.
Staggering may seem like a big word to use, but his first language may not be English so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

FYI, we are not dismissing the Teraflops as much as we're trying to highlight the advantages that PS5 has in contrast to the lower TF count.
 
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hold shut, you mad genius beautiful bastard

if you read this in his voice (or Gary Oldman’s take on his voice) it’s hilarious

His Twitter Bio says it all:


This dude hasn't been with Sony since the PS3 era, and the fact that he replied to TimDog, a legitimate Xbox shill, is proof of his insidious bias.

tight beard game tho
 
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So, these audio things will not matter that much, I have the Sony WH-1000XM3 and in order for it to work YOU HAVE to send them pictures of your EARS otherwise it will not work AND the songs you want to hear have to be designed for this 360 audio things, otherwise it will NOT work:






do you really think that devs will take a lot of time to design the audio just for PS5? And what about the pictures of your ear? lol
WTF are you talking about? I have the same headphones. The ear pic is for optimisation only because your perception of where a sound is coming from is based on how it bounces off your ears shape. There is no other way to get that accuracy. What's funny about that?
 

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His Twitter Bio says it all:


This dude hasn't been with Sony since the PS3 era, and the fact that he replied to TimDog, a legitimate Xbox shill, is proof of his insidious bias.
Probably working on a 4K 120fps exclusive for Series X...…..Funny enough, when I mentioned that PS5 and these consoles would do 4k 120FPS, there was so much pessimism..."Yeah right"..."Maybe PONG, jah jah jah!".....Now we are hearing of 4k 120FPS games for Series X and everybody is stoked......,


If you checked that post above your previous post, you would have realised it won't. The one from the ex-GG Dev.
Ok, since you are so stooch with information, I'll research the dev myself.......Are you referring to Chris Grannell? Looking at the pic in the windows central article, I hope this is not the game they are talking about with 2D elements and the fraggle rock looking characters....
 
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Probably working on a 4K 120fps exclusive for Series X...…..Funny enough, when I mentioned that PS5 and these consoles would do 4k 120FPS, there was so much pessimism..."Yeah right"..."Maybe PONG, jah jah jah!".....Now we are hearing o
Current gen (or last gen for a PS5/XsX game) and less demanding indies (Super Meat Boy, etc) could be 120fps, sure

people are mostly skeptical of 8k talk
 
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Current gen (or last gen for a PS5/XsX game) and less demanding indies (Super Meat Boy, etc) could be 120fps, sure

people are mostly skeptical of 8k talk
Isn't the souped up Gears 5 going for 4K 120fps in multiplayer? Wasn't there a rumor from Windows Central saying Horizon 4 was going to be 4K 120FPS...…….You think that Quake Arena, World War Z, COD BR, Apex Legends etc... wont be able to run at 4K 120FPS...? These are all much more demanding than super meat boy....Based on MS policy of no exclusives you should get ready for many high rez, high framerate games with not much in next gen fidelity......It is what they are pushing... Series X will scale but mostly with frames and rez...

OTOH

I think 8K will be seen too. for indies mostly......PSVR alone should do many 120fps titles by default...
 

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How can the PS5 perform consistently if they are using variable clocksrates for CPU AND GPU?
Because if you watched Cerny's presentation, you'd understand that the frequency does not vary based on heat, it varies based on the workload. So if a hypothetical TLOU3 required the CPU to be 3.55GHz and the GPU to be at 2.23GHz, then the frequencies will always be 3.55 and 2.23GHz respectively. It will be the same for every single PS5 everywhere in the world, no matter the temperature.
This is because it operates with at a constant power, and as we know constant power = constant heat production.
 

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"PS5 GPU was always 10.3tflops with high clock speed"

Thst first poster is drinking some serious sony kool aide. He states things like they are fact.......especially this one above, like he was part of designing the system.
99.9% chance the speed they found reliable was running it at 2ghz, the peaknnumbers were published now as a PR move.

Also tons of hogwash about how it's designed better than xbox anything......both systems have lot a great design features.
 

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If you checked that post above your previous post, you would have realised it won't. The one from the ex-GG Dev.
He was not even in the credits and works in some sport software, not been GG for 20 years or something Era said.


Who cares, all I see if this guy is not a current dev and and even funnier follows Timdog is all I need to know.

I am sure we will get better opinions, but please not timdog.
 
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I said this the other day when they not using a traditional cooling system the price will hike up, between this and the SSD it will add a fair bit to it
 

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They will both have vapour cooling and SSDs ...so your point is what ?
Sony are using a super fast SSD and they are doing a different method for cooling, did you not see the patent on here the r day about 3d stacking ?
 

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I will buy a PS5 only because of the cooling system. Who needs TFLOPs and games.
 

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Holy shit. Does gut who wrote that have any idea how cooling systems work? There is so much wrong, that i dont know even where to start.
1. He don't even has any idea what vapor chamber is. Whole cooper plate is vapor chamber.
2. That green "conductors" are just standoffs used to mechanically install cooling to PCB.
3. X-clamp is just mounting bracket of cooler. It's not removing any heat at all. Every cooler used in PC has something like that. Even PS4 has.

There is nothing in that patent even remotely suggesting vapor chamber.
 
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