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[Kacho]

Tbh do you guys really think that those dislikes gonna effect the sale of playstation 5 pro?

The dislikes shows the lack of enthusiasm for the product

 

[JaksGhost]

No, but the price certainly will. However the bad press will get to Sony the last thing they want around the launch of a new piece of hardware is everyone shitting on it.

Just waiting for them to have a spokesperson come and say that people should take out a second job like they did during the ps3 era.

The product launches in 2 months, not 2 weeks. They have plenty of time and probably will showcase the differences in the next couple of months. The first gameplay footage of Elden Ring or Dragon's Dogma 2 being a smooth 4K/60fps would be enough to turn the tide. Also by the looks of it on Amazon the enthusiasts are already preparing by boosting the disc drive into the Top 10 Best Sellers on Amazon.

 

[Bania Gold]

The dislike button is basically a "I can't afford that" button

I agree.

I don't think I've ever seen such sulking over the price of anything.

It's mind boggling.

 

[KyoZz]

I'm not triggered at all. Just wondering.
Because you seem concerned with my spending:

Because as I said earlier, it's a gaming forum and we are here to discuss. You said "aimed at a minority of enthusiasts" and I'm saying buy this at this price and watch Sony price the PS6 at 850/900$. It has nothing to do with you personally, or your spendings.

Btw as for your spendings, same as for Concord (this really traumatized you, sorry about that for real): I don't give a damn. I'm explaining to you why buying this console at that price may be problematic for future consoles release. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Bania Gold]

This thread is great, it gives us a glimpse at the posters who will
reverse cowboy any cock Sony puts in front of them.

Or another point of view could simply be there are a bunch of entitled cheapskates.

See how easy that is?

 

[Mephisto40]

you do know that you can both have money and know the value of money right?

True, but we live in a world where a large proportion of people spend $800 upgrading their IPhones every two years

PS5 Pro may not be your cup of tea, but it's sure as hell the cup of tea of people like this

 

[JimboJones]

Maybe the whole idea of this PS5 Pro and the silly premium pricing, is to drive more consumers towards the slim...

Soften us up for the £599 PS6. Will seem like a great deal in comparison

 

[samstrajack]

This is pure copium from terminally online capital-G Gamers, who act like complete broke-asses 99% of the time.

It's not 2000 anymore, $300 is not going to buy you a state of the art piece of hardware.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Sony needs to get Taylor Swift onboard.

 

[dottme]

I feel we are missing a X post saying that the gamer are toxic and that the price is really good.

 

[SentientStone]

I shall get any future "limited edition" PS5 Pro console editions in the future.
I plan to jump in during Pro refreshes now. I am not in a hurry to play, so I can play the waiting game forever.
Please give us a console as nice as that 100 million PS4 Pro and I will be happy.

 

[skyfinch]

I'll buy the Stand if someone buys the Pro. We can swap every couple of weeks. Pre-orders start soon. Hit me up.

 

[Eszti]

It's not 2000 anymore, $300 is not going to buy you a state of the art piece of hardware.

nobody aver said that. and a console is never state of the art hardware. what a stupid take. a console is alow cost all in one gaming machine and the pro pisses on that very fact. even the ps3 brought much more to the table and no one bought that either and that thing was really state of the art because consoles back then were on high end pcs level if not faster at release. but we upgraded our shit pcs every half year too lol

 

[samstrajack]

nobody aver said that. and a console is never state of the art hardware. what a stupid take. a console is alow cost all in one gaming machine and the pro pisses on that very fact. even the ps3 brought much more to the table and no one bought that either and that thing was really state of the art because consoles back then were on high end pcs level if not faster at release. but we upgraded our shit pcs every half year too lol

State of the art is probably the wrong phrase - What I am saying is that console pricing has to increase drastically if people want to get a big jump in fidelity/performance.

My only complaint really with the PS5/Pro is that it wasn't super expensive at launch. I'd love to pay $800 out of the gate if it mean I didn't have to upgrade halfway through the generation. Give me something that wows me and I'll pay good money for it. If some people can't afford it, that's tough shit. Everyone pisses over themselves in an effort to get a new $800 iPhone every year....why is it so weird to pay that for a games console that will be relevant for 8 years?

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

To me, it's not so much the $700 price tag but the value proposition. The PS5 is a perfectly fine and capable system. These marginal upgrades that the Pro offers are something you save for the PS6. All of the games shown are games that are already out that will just run at a higher frame rate and might have ray tracing. Again, save that for the PS6.

No disc drive. No stand. Basically a digital only console. It's basically a mini PC that's locked to the Sony store and PS4/PS5 games only. I just don't see the point of the system. Mid-gen console refreshes is a concept that needs to die.

Great concept but of course they had to get greedy

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

It affected Concords.

But no, the price is going to affect the sales of the PS5 Pro. They outpriced me and I buy everything from Sony.

Do you magically pay more for PlayStation games when you play on a Pro console compared to a normal PS5? No.

So why should Sony care if you play on a Pro or not? If you stay on a PS5 Sony have no problem with that, you buying a Pro just means a one time sale of a piece of hardware, it doesn't change the real software money that stayed the same. What made you think you buying the Pro is somehow crucial to Sony's financial stability?

 

[GametimeUK]

As much I don't agree with Sony practices, I think calling someone clown just because they are buying the PS5 Pro is very uncall for. People are free to buy whatever they want.

It's not that deep, mate. I'm only calling myself a clown.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Because as I said earlier, it's a gaming forum and we are here to discuss. You said "aimed at a minority of enthusiasts" and I'm saying buy this at this price and watch Sony price the PS6 at 850/900$. It has nothing to do with you personally, or your spendings.

What you said was "don't come crying when the price for PS6 is €800 without disc" when I'm about to spend €800 on a PS5 Pro digital which is a relatively small jump from PS5.

In comparison to PS5 Pro, your hypothetical PS6 seems like much more value for the same price.
You're basically making it seem a much better deal already, tbh, digital or not (I've been all digital for years anyway).

Btw as for your spendings, same as for Concord (this really traumatized you, sorry about that for real): I don't give a damn. I'm explaining to you why buying this console at that price may be problematic for future consoles release. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Concord really was a non-issue. I had no expectations whatsoever and already received my refund, which I used to buy Hunt Showdown 1896, saving me €10 on top of it.

 

[Shifty1897]

Can someone explain to me why the price is such a problem when it's literally only $100 more than the 2TB Xbox Series X?

That isn't selling either.

 

[finalflame]

I agree.

I don't think I've ever seen such sulking over the price of anything.

It's mind boggling.

People really want it, but really can't afford it. They can't reconcile the fact they are someone who wants it but not someone who can have it. And then, anger and rage ensues. Dislike button is mashed.

Brokies on suicide watch.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

People really want it, but really can't afford it. They can't reconcile the fact they are someone who wants it but not someone who can have it. And then, anger and rage ensues. Dislike button is mashed.

Brokies on suicide watch.

I get that people might be disappointed with the pricing, because it is quite expensive.
But acting like it's some dramatic event is such a 1st world problem.

Standard PS5 plays the exact same games.

 

[BlackTron]

The $700 price tag is even more daunting when you consider the additional cost of online services and the lack of a disc drive. This forces you to buy games at full price from the PSN store, even years after their release, while the same games are often half off at retail just six months post-launch. For instance, GOWR is still priced at $69.99 on the PSN store, whereas you can find it preowned on eBay for around $35.

It's a premium product meant for premium customers with premium download money.

 

[KyoZz]

What you said was "don't come crying when the price for PS6 is €800 without disc" when I'm about to spend €800 on a PS5 Pro digital which is a relatively small jump from PS5.
In comparison to PS5 Pro, your hypothetical PS6 seems like much more value for the same price.
You're basically making it seem a much better deal already, tbh, digital or not (I've been all digital for years anyway).

Concors really was a non-issue. I had no expectations whatsoever and already received my refund, which I used to buy Hunt Showdown 1896, saving me €10 on top of it.

And? Good for you at least you will play a good game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

And? Good for you at least you will play a good game.

Ironically, matchmaking turns out to be worse than Concord.

Eh... shit happens...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The dislikes shows the lack of enthusiasm for the product

How many dislikes on the Road to PS5 video?

 

[Kacho]

How many dislikes on the Road to PS5 video?

The difference between the two says it all

Big swing and miss by Sony on this one

 

[Heisenberg007]

A $100 less 1TB version and Sony could have avoided this.

Either way I think it will sell well to the 10-15% of people that will buy this like they did with the PS4 Pro.

That's what I want.

I don't think $700 is too expensive for what it is offering. In comparison, Xbox is offering a 2TB Series X for $600. All the "Pro" features and extra GPU of the PS5 Pro only costs $100 more - which is very reasonable.

And a 1TB PS5 Pro version could easily be $600. Sony should really consider it.

 

[Reaseru]

It's not that deep, mate. I'm only calling myself a clown.

I know you were joking. I was referring to the guy who you replied to.

 

[HogIsland]

How many massive flops can Sony take before it becomes a big financial problem?
- PSVR2 (+ Call of the Mountain and any other software investments)
- Concord
- PS5 Pro

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I get that people might be disappointed with the pricing, because it is quite expensive.
But acting like it's some dramatic event is such a 1st world problem.

Standard PS5 plays the exact same games.

If they truly don't desire the Pro so badly they wouldn't have been mad.

The anger is directly caused by the friction between what they want and what they won't get. So yes, people are downvoting, but if they didn't want a pro to begin with they wouldn't have voted.

How many massive flops can Sony take before it becomes a big financial problem?

- PS5 Pro

The pro is literally sold at a profit. You are mistaken it for the PS5 itself, which the Pro is only a small part of. I am not sure any further conversation with you on this topic can help you understand it. Sony literally have no problem with you playing on a regular PS5.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The difference between the two says it all

Big swing and miss by Sony on this one

119K dislikes for the PS5 and the thing still sold out for years and was impossible to get.

The PS5 Pro doesn't need to sell 60 million units.

You can tell from the Road to PS5 video that you get a lot of downvotes simply from a community of people who like to hate on Sony. That that community has grown louder in the last 4 years doesn't tell us anything.

Sure there are some people who actually want a PS5 Pro who probably can't afford it that also would downvote, but this thing is going to sell just fine.

If the ratio of likes to purchases holds true, that's at least 10 million (and I think it will do more with GTA6) people buying a PS5 Pro in the next 4 years. If Sony is making 50 dollars on each console sold here that's 500 million dollars, if they're making 100 dollars per unit sold that's a billion dollars and if they're making 150 dollars per unit sold that is 1.5 billion dollars. Maybe more importantly though, is every PS5 Pro sold rather than a PS5 is a net profit rather than a net loss.

Not sure it's the swing and miss you think it is.

 

[Kacho]

119K dislikes for the PS5 and the thing still sold out for years and was impossible to get.

The PS5 Pro doesn't need to sell 60 million units.

You can tell from the Road to PS5 video that you get a lot of downvotes simply from a community of people who like to hate on Sony. That that community has grown louder in the last 4 years doesn't tell us anything.

Sure there are some people who actually want a PS5 Pro who probably can't afford it that also would downvote, but this thing is going to sell just fine.

If the ratio of likes to purchases holds true, that's at least 10 million (and I think it will do more with GTA6) people buying a PS5 Pro in the next 4 years. If Sony is making 50 dollars on each console sold here that's 500 million dollars, if they're making 100 dollars per unit sold that's a billion dollars and if they're making 150 dollars per unit sold that is 1.5 billion dollars. Maybe more importantly though, is every PS5 Pro sold rather than a PS5 is a net profit rather than a net loss.

Not sure it's the swing and miss you think it is.

Whatever helps you cope, mang lol

 

[Minsc]

Did they post any direct footage of the improvements for the games running on a PS5 Pro? I'm curious to see it.

 

[JaksGhost]

How many massive flops can Sony take before it becomes a big financial problem?
- PSVR2 (+ Call of the Mountain and any other software investments)
- Concord
- PS5 Pro

The successes far outweigh the flops by a large margin. Concord may have flopped but Helldivers 2 is right there to offset that along with the other games they’ve published this year like MLB The Show. Spider-Man 2 is still bringing in sales as well. If PlayStation Studios, SIE, and Sony were just banking on those two items it would be a problem, but they’re not.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Did they post any direct footage of the improvements for the games running on a PS5 Pro? I'm curious to see it.

They'll be posting things between now and Nov 7th.

You can tell what their marketing strategy is going to be

• Individual publishers will promote the PS5 Pro with their individual games (already starting with games like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Alan Wake 2)
• They'll have a state of play next week showcases some games that will use the PS5 Pro (September 19th is the rumor)
• People will get live impressions of the PS5 Pro at TGS (September 26th to 29th)
• PS5 Pro pre-order date coincides with the start of TGS (September 26th)
  • My guess is that Ghost of Tsushima 2 will be revealed at TGS and be featured on PS5 Pro
• PS5 Pro launches November 7th
• December we probably get a showcase for the 30th anniversary of PlayStation (Tuesday December 3rd)
  • First party games shown
  • 30th anniversary Dual Sense released
  • 30th anniversary PS5 plates released

Organic marketing is going to be more successful for the PS5 Pro than pushing compressed low framerate youtube videos out...

 

[cash_longfellow]

How many massive flops can Sony take before it becomes a big financial problem?
- PSVR2 (+ Call of the Mountain and any other software investments)
- Concord
- PS5 Pro

Please show me where an upgrade to an existing console is a flop, let alone, before it releases…I’ll wait

 

[FeralEcho]

This is pure copium from terminally online capital-G Gamers, who act like complete broke-asses 99% of the time.

It's not 2000 anymore, $300 is not going to buy you a state of the art piece of hardware.

But why stop at 700$ then,Sony should just say fck it and make it 2000$ since the sheeple will buy it anyway because it's not 2000 anymore.

 

[Minsc]

They'll be posting things between now and Nov 7th.

You can tell what their marketing strategy is going to be

• Individual publishers will promote the PS5 Pro with their individual games (already starting with games like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Alan Wake 2)
• They'll have a state of play next week showcases some games that will use the PS5 Pro (September 19th is the rumor)
• People will get live impressions of the PS5 Pro at TGS (September 26th to 29th)
• PS5 Pro pre-order date coincides with the start of TGS (September 26th)
  • My guess is that Ghost of Tsushima 2 will be revealed at TGS and be featured on PS5 Pro
• PS5 Pro launches November 7th
• December we probably get a showcase for the 30th anniversary of PlayStation (Tuesday December 3rd)
  • First party games shown
  • 30th anniversary Dual Sense released
  • 30th anniversary PS5 plates released

Organic marketing is going to be more successful for the PS5 Pro than pushing compressed low framerate youtube videos out...

That sounds pretty fair, I guess I need to wait a bit more. Doesn't make me too excited today, and to be honest I don't trust live impressions one bit, not at all. Same as with previews, *gush* *gush* *gush* all day long. Unless it's the opinion of some random person on reddit, then it holds a little more weight than a news site.

Also I kinda feel for 2160p and 8k videos Youtube compression isn't that bad. Certainly 1080p and under it sucks, but with the video downloader extension, when I've downloaded 2160p trailers and what not, they look really good played back on my HDTV/PC (some can even hit around 1GB/minute, one of the Tales of Arise DLC trailers was gigantic).

 

[Wastelander92]

internet is shocking nowadays

negativity since like 5 years has been at an all time high. a skyhigh high

Negativity generates more clicks.

 

[akira__]

Almost everyone forgets, but when the ps4 pro launched nobody cared, not even enough to get angry.

The video after 8 years only has 22k likes.
The ps5 pro, even with that lackluster reveal will sell out.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

That's what I want.

I don't think $700 is too expensive for what it is offering. In comparison, Xbox is offering a 2TB Series X for $600. All the "Pro" features and extra GPU of the PS5 Pro only costs $100 more - which is very reasonable.

And a 1TB PS5 Pro version could easily be $600. Sony should really consider it.

They should.

A $100/£100 less 1TB version coupled with a fairer currency conversion for the Euro price and it would resolve most of the bad publicity and backlash.

Why can't corporations just do the obvious thing from the first attempt. I mean they pay millions to advisors/consultants/strategic planners/analysts and they still fuck it up!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That sounds pretty fair, I guess I need to wait a bit more. Doesn't make me too excited today, and to be honest I don't trust live impressions one bit, not at all. Same as with previews, *gush* *gush* *gush* all day long. Unless it's the opinion of some random person on reddit, then it holds a little more weight than a news site.

Like I said organic marketing is going to be what sells the PS5 Pro more than anything other than GTA6.

DF will downplay the PS5 Pro now, but even they'll be unable to make excuses when games come out and look better and play better on the PS5 Pro.

The market is going to dictate how well this thing does, not the internet. And my guess is FOMO is going to set in really fast for people.

Also I kinda feel for 2160p and 8k videos Youtube compression isn't that bad. Certainly 1080p and under it sucks, but with the video downloader extension, when I've downloaded 2160p trailers and what not, they look really good played back on my HDTV/PC (some can even hit around 1GB/minute, one of the Tales of Arise DLC trailers was gigantic).

You said all of that, now ask yourself how many people have the downloader extension. Even at 4K youtube compression is trash and isn't going to give the real impression of the differences between Ps5 and PS5 Pro.

One thing a lot of people seem to be struggling to understand is the comparison of two pictures and saying they look the same as if that is a slight against the PS5 Pro... but what they don't understand is that's actually a great early sign.

If the PS5 Pro can replicate 4K while natively rendering at lower resolutions, that's a sign that PSSR is really impressive. Ultimately we're going to see what developers do with this, but I'm already sold.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Good. Sony's greed needs to be called out.

People who thought they wouldn't go crazy without Xbox providing them competition were delusional at best.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That's what I want.

I don't think $700 is too expensive for what it is offering. In comparison, Xbox is offering a 2TB Series X for $600. All the "Pro" features and extra GPU of the PS5 Pro only costs $100 more - which is very reasonable.

And a 1TB PS5 Pro version could easily be $600. Sony should really consider it.

Don’t forget to add the ps5 disc drive, and stand (which they removed from PS5 OG) and some regional prices are set way higher than usual going beyond currency exchange and tax implications like VAT.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Or another point of view could simply be there are a bunch of entitled cheapskates.

See how easy that is?

There is a poll on twitter asking how much the PS5 should be.

At least 35% said it should cost 550 dollars knowing damn well the PS5 digital is 450 and this comes with 1TB more of storage...

These people are delusional.

 

[JaksGhost]

Don’t forget to add the ps5 disc drive, and stand (which they removed from PS5 OG) and some regional prices are set way higher than usual going beyond currency exchange and tax implications like VAT.

But neither is necessary for the device to run and play games. It’s a shitty practice but they aren’t selling you a system that can’t play games at their best without those items. You still get a controller and can power it without the need for additional external items. Apple is trying to sell me a $1300 phone that doesn’t include a power adapter, just the cord. That is the highest of bullshit IMO.

 

[Games of Today]

I think the pro will sell pretty well but at $699 they really gimped themselves.

They should have dropped PS5 to something like $399 and have the Pro be like $549. Both would sell even hotter than hot cakes.

 

[Nordickratos]

And yet they will sell out on the Day 1.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think the pro will sell pretty well but at $699 they really gimped themselves.

They should have dropped PS5 to something like $399 and have the Pro be like $549. Both would sell even hotter than hot cakes.

Tell me you don't run a business without telling me you don't run a business.

They're already selling PS5s at a loss to drop it to 400 would INCREASE that loss.

Some people seem to think that the measure of success is units sold, but the reality is that the measure of success for a business is revenue and operating income.

Sony wants SIE to deliver stronger operating income so they can take that money and further invest in Sony and in SIE. The company has NOTHING to show for itself with the PS1-2 generations. It was completely wiped out by the PS3 generation.

 

[Danjin44]

But neither is necessary for the device to run and play games.

What about people who mostly own physical version of the games?…..fuck them?

They are literally forcing people to pay extra $100 on top of $950 CAD for console itself if you want play the physical games you already own.

Its fucking stupid and greedy as fuck.