01011001
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true, but there is no way you'll get the same Performance that way, because the internal SSD is specialised for the system, which the m.2 SSD will need to compensate for.
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true, but there is no way you'll get the same Performance that way, because the internal SSD is specialised for the system, which the m.2 SSD will need to compensate for.
R6Rider
Gold Member
In most cases you wouldn't, but some games will be required for different reasons.
Battlefield 2042 will require PS5 users to have PS4 version installed to play with PS4 users.
Hitman 3 requires PS4 version to play in VR.
longdi
Banned
You got a point, in terms of QoL updates, VRR should be high up there in priority.
01011001
Member
because the way the PS5's save system works is a pain in the ass sometimes
for example, in order to use your PS4 save of Borderlands 3, you will have to install the PS4 version, then upload your save file, install the PS5 version and download the save file.
the same is true for Spider-Man and some other titles.
MaKTaiL
Member
Emulation does not require extra dedicated hardware....
Tripolygon
Member
That has been changed as of recent sdk update. Developers can now locally transfer PS4 saves to PS5.
If anyone is in this beta, can you add the settings cog to the control centre lower menu now? It's annoying that it's separate to the other menu items, placed at the top of the dashboard.
Or can you hide or reorder the trophy/activity cards? I only use the the shortcut to the capture gallery, but it's annoying that it's all the way to the right, after the trophy/activity cards.
Or can you hide or reorder the trophy/activity cards? I only use the the shortcut to the capture gallery, but it's annoying that it's all the way to the right, after the trophy/activity cards.
01011001
Member
well all I know is that I had to do this with Borderlands 3... I don't knwo if newer games do it better now
CyberChulo
Member
Anyone in NYC get this beta software yet? I'm enrolled but have not received it.
I feel like Layden and Cerny had one plan in 2019, then Ryan and Hulst politic'd their way to the top, and now we're suffering the results of their PC/PS4 crossplay/cross-development plans.
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John Wick
Member
VRR won't be updated till December 2021. Sony are waiting for the changes and protocol to the HDMI 2.1 spec before releasing the firmware for their tv's etc.
Tripolygon
Member
Yes you had to do that but it has changed now. Developers working with the newer sdk have the ability to locally ransfer saves. Star Wars Jedi fallen order and Wreckfest are two examples that work with the new method. Transfer your PS4 saves via USB or from PS+ Cloud storage to PS5, launch the PS5 game and transfer the save without needing to install the PS4 version.
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reinking
Member
my concern-o-meter is not at zero but pretty low. I am going to assume they have been testing various drives and speeds and determined an optimal and acceptable level. I have expected slight variation all along just between different brands so Sony determining an acceptable variation doesn't concern me too much. It only concerns me in that any drive deemed acceptable still prevent pop-in.
iHaunter
Member
You're both incorrect. 5.5Gbps is the internal speed. It's 10g+ compressed.
waquzy
Member
Not yet, so you can have a nice wank tonight.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Honestly considering it's only the tv speaker configuration, I wouldn't get too excited.
I'm skeptical as well that there will be any improvement with my surround+Atmos setup. Honestly Demons Souls and Returnal already sounds exceptionally rich compared to PS4 games.
Funny how CONCERNED all these Xbox fans are for the PS5 to get VRR. You so might want to cool your jets, looking through the bans page, I've seen people kicked out for less.
Haggard
Banned
Depends on what you emulate and on what kind of hardware. software emulation always takes a pretty huge toll.
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MastaKiiLA
Member
Not if you go based on number of users affected by any specific improvement in an update. What percentage of PS5 owners will have a VRR-capable TV? That's going to be a really small number of the 10M. There are going to be lots of other tickets ahead of that on the kanban. External storage would have been more important, as necessity grows much faster with time. People upgrade their TVs in increments of years. VRR is not going to be a priority QoL feature for a while IMO. It'll be timed with Sony's adoption for their TVs at the earliest, if not months later.
MaKTaiL
Member
PS5 hardware is more than capable of emulating PS3 if Sony ever feels like developing it. There is already a pretty good emulator for PC and the devs didn't even have full access to the PS3 SDK. Imagine what Sony could do if they bothered.
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R6Rider
Gold Member
01011001
Member
how many people have 8k TVs? yet they lie on the box and say it supports it, which it doesn't
Fake
Member
Are you saying for Sony brutal force emulation? The PC way is the most dumb way of doing emulation. Proper emulation requires optimization, something like Microsoft is doing with BC.
What would require to a PC to emulate RDR Xbox 360 at native 4k?
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RCU005
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Good news is that this won't be an issue much longer when games become exclusive to PS5.
MaKTaiL
Member
MS does not do emulation. Xbox has never changed architecture ike Sony did from PS2 to PS3 to PS4.
Fake
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Sony said months ago, they are using their custom controller with m2 SSD too. Anyway a 5.5gb/s SSD could have better sustained performance than higher speed SSD, depending of SSD model, that is because Sony will list those compatible SSD
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Reallink
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Lovely succint answer, thank you so much. I figured this considering other replies in the thread and what I found on google later in the thread. Cheers again though, makes sense you would disable the upmixing.
What do you think of this thread? They seem to say they got height channels sounds in SotTR and RE2R using the Atmos option, thats on PC ofc, but I'm just wondering how I can get a signal with height channels into my soundbar - which accepts Atmos and DTS:X but only to use the height channel/object data to create virtual channels - rather because I don't have physical height channels:
Is Dolby Atmos *actually* working correctly? :: Resident Evil 2 General Discussions
I'm playing this baby on an actual home theater and not headphones. Everything is coming in correctly on the audio receiver, showing up as Atmos, but it seems like the height channels aren't actually being used effectively. I'm beginning to wonder if it's just plain wrong and feels more like a...steamcommunity.com
Of course I've no way of knowing if they are using the upmixing on their receivers or not, but I presume not if they are looking to see if the Atmos is really working. I'd really like to see a list of games that output true height data, but I can't find one anywhere, maybe because list of games that do it is so small.
Ooft, you don't want to accidently leave that one on the couch and sit on it later, or maybe you do, each to their own!
Any game with an Atmos logo should have discrete height signals, but how well/often they use them is up to the sound engineers doing the mix. A lot of content uses heights very sparsely. A direct HDMI connection into and out of the soundbar OR eARC (which would require both the TV and Soundbar to support it) is the only way to get a native Atmos signal AFAIK. A Windows 10 PC (have to download the Dolby app, and activate it in Windows sound settings) or Xbone/Series, both via HDMI, are the only gaming sources I'm aware of.
MadchesterManc
Member
Never said that it did, said they were implying by stating it was built in. Reading comprehension. Try it. It's free
yurinka
Member
That's the same speed of their SSD, which pretty likely will have more priority channels than most PC SSDs of that speed. Maybe the difference it's just that streaming is a bit slower but maybe isn't something noticiable (like streamed stuff popping a frame or less later than with internal SSD).
They also included a dislaimer that depending on the SSD it may not work with some games, or not properly. So I assume that the whitelisted ones by Sony will work well, while other slower ones may experience issues or not work at all.
yurinka
Member
Yep, most people play with the console plugged to a tv, and most tvs don't use 1440p but instead use the supported resolutions.
So most PS5 users don't give a fuck about 1440p, in the same way they don't give a fuck if it supports on a 640p CRT TV or not. If they support would be ok, but isn't something that a lot of people is waiting for.
Many great updates, obviously the SSD expansion and 3D audio through TV speakers are the main things here but I'm glad that trophies are back to a vertical scrolling like on PS4.
I see that they wanted to unify everything with the same layout of the cards but for trophies it made navigation and access to informations too slow.
On the contrary I'm not of fan of separating PS4 and PS5 versions of games, to me the idea of having a single menu for each game where you could switch between the different versions (including demos) was good. But I guess that for many it wasn't really intuitive.
Now they need to bring back folders, custom themes and enable VRR and 8K output.
An other feature that I'd like to see is sorting screenshots and video captures that are trophy related from the rest. Sometimes when you want to cancel old captures that you don't want to keep anymore you have to be careful not to delete the trophies related stuff.
I see that they wanted to unify everything with the same layout of the cards but for trophies it made navigation and access to informations too slow.
On the contrary I'm not of fan of separating PS4 and PS5 versions of games, to me the idea of having a single menu for each game where you could switch between the different versions (including demos) was good. But I guess that for many it wasn't really intuitive.
Now they need to bring back folders, custom themes and enable VRR and 8K output.
An other feature that I'd like to see is sorting screenshots and video captures that are trophy related from the rest. Sometimes when you want to cancel old captures that you don't want to keep anymore you have to be careful not to delete the trophies related stuff.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Thank God. Can't fathom why they changed it in the first place.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What's the "control center"? Is that the short press PS button menu?
Mr Moose
Member
I had no idea so I Googled it, apparently it's that thing at the bottom.
I didn't know it had a name.
Shmunter
Member
Correct, but internal is custom with added priority que’s to reduce latency for streaming. Cerney said 7 is needed on standard nvme to bridge that gap
RoadHazard
Gold Member
He didn't, he said a bit more than 5.5 is needed.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
Anyone in the UK get this?
If so looks like I wasn't selected
If so looks like I wasn't selected
Hoddi
Member
The notes also don't mandate 5.5GB/s but only recommend it which was kinda surprising. It will be curious to see how older/slower disks will perform.
That said, I think these newer requirements make more sense in some ways. I doubt many games will be running at a sustained 5.5GB/s but they might need a strong disk controller that can maintain a large number of IOs without collapsing. Peak bandwidth and sustained bandwidth are usually not the same and heat might become a factor at some point. My Intel 660p will go from 40C to 70C in a couple of minutes of sustained reads which causes throughput to drop from ~1.8GB/s to just ~600MB/s.
There's a reason that Sony recommends heatsinks and I think many people don't fully appreciate why that is.
captainraincoat
Banned
firmware update just appeared when I checked
Wish me luck….I’ve had this thing sitting on a shelf for almost a year
Yes I’m on beta program
Wish me luck….I’ve had this thing sitting on a shelf for almost a year
Yes I’m on beta program
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Shmunter
Member
Record like for like ratchet and clank vids from both drives if u can.firmware update just appeared when I checked
Wish me luck….I’ve had this thing sitting on a shelf for almost a year
Yes I’m on beta program
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Couple of months unless it destroys every beta testers PS5.