It sounds like you don't expect it to be released until early 2017.
The prevailing thought is, because Sony is revealing Neo in September they need to launch it this year, or risk hurting PS4 sales. I tend to agree with that.
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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It sounds like you don't expect it to be released until early 2017.
The prevailing thought is, because Sony is revealing Neo in September they need to launch it this year, or risk hurting PS4 sales. I tend to agree with that.
SunDimension24
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Sorry, what I meant by that statement was more about future games and accessories they will introduce during future events, not the console itself. I believe that the console will release in October or November of this year.
There are lots of other graphical improvements that don't require recreating assets from scratch. Wide color gamut and HDR, deeper draw distance, shadows cast by more light sources, better lighting in general, more sophisticated ambient occlusion none of these require reworking models or textures, just changes to the rendering pipeline. In most cases teams aim for more than they can achieve and have to back off, so a lot of these have at least been prototyped.
Okay thanks for clarifying. I also think Sony will use other events to let people try Neo + PSVR hands-on.
There's no chance they announce a console in September which isn't out this year. It would be an idiotic move for moving stock over xmas. They're far more likely to push it out in time for xmas to get those sales.
Darklor01
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I expectit to release in late September or early October. I'll get over it if I'm wrong though. It certainly is interesting though how there have been zero leaks of the item in production, or anything in a while. Either they're doing a good job on keeping more things hush, or there isn't anything out there to be hush about.
Exactly.
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Rösti
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Hopefully Sony will put up a dedicated website sometime next week.
Theonik
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It will always be Neo but they'll specify. I see no reason why you'd ever show PS4 footage. It will look worse, and you always want to show the best a certain version of the game can look.
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Deleted member 471617
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If Sony wasn't trying to force their current user base into upgrading, Neo wouldn't exist. Sony wants their entire user base to upgrade to Neo. Are they going to say that? Of course not but make no mistake about it, that's what they want and prefer.
As for Red Dead 3, my prediction probably won't happen but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
After Sunset Overdrive, Insomniac worked on Ratchet and Clank and is now working on Spider-Man. I have a hard time believing that they started full development over 18 months before E3 and all we get is a short cinematic trailer?
wapplew
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Didn't seem like a problem for MS.
Chris_Rivera
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Uh, they released the Xbone S, which has the bluray 4k drive.
Uh, they announced the Project Scorpio, which will deliver the best quality pixels humankind has ever seen.
Napalm_Frank
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I feel Sony has been super low key in promoting their events lately, even stuff like E3 conference the last few years where they had the best shows they have ever done. I think they know the audience interested in Neo will tune in anyway and the real marketing push starts after.
schaft0620
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Yeah but it will back fire for MS in the long run, whats the incentive to buy a Xbox One S when the Scorpio is coming out next year?
Theonik
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Uncompressed pixels. The most uncompressed pixels.
Ricky Ricardo
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HDR10's will do wonders for eyesight lol
There's a huge difference between trying to force everyone to move and offering an alternative to people who might consider another platform (whether it's PC, Xbox One S, Scorpio, or NX.) There is significant value in always having something "fresh" on the market to keep people interested in your ecosystem.
Sony has been good about supporting systems well into their lifespan, with some truly great titles coming at the end of prior generations (God of War on PS2 and The Last of Us on PS3.) They make money off software licenses, much more so than hardware sales, so anything that reaches an audience where they see licensing fees is fine by them.
Ratchet and Clank was a smaller team with limited scope, more of a movie tie-in than a studio-wide effort like Spider Man. The amount of information we get usually says more about how long it will be until the title is released, not how long it has been in production. A teaser like this says "expect more at E3 next year", and "not shipping before holiday 2017 at the earliest."
Theonik
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The highest dynamic range.
Darklor01
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We have a solution for those who don't want to buy a Scorpio but want to play our games.
I mean, I'm with you, I'd love a premium PS4 that plays everything at 60, even if it costs $599. I hate that I have to go PC route just to get 60fps.
Unfortunately, I think 75% of PS4 userbase doesn't give a rat's ass about framerate unless it gets into slideshow territory.
A PC?
shinobi602
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There is absolutely nothing "forceful" about this. It exists as a premium console for more hardcore PS consumers that always want the latest hardware or newest thing, that's it.
Any consumer electronics business would love all their buyers to upgrade to their newest gadget but they know that's not realistic. Everybody knows that. It's there to serve people who WANT to have a higher end experience if it's available. I don't feel forced to upgrade to a Neo one bit.
Every game's development is different. Even if you think they began 18 months ago, it's not strange at all that 1.)They didn't feel comfortable showing gameplay to millions of eyes at the game's current state (perfectly understandable) or 2.)It wasn't needed at the time.
PS4 price drop, maybe even a redesign.
Neo details: official name, price, release date, and specs.
Games: 2 new titles, and some existing titles with "neo" mode.
Commitment to not segment players.
Other Playstation initiatives.
PSVR launch lineup.
Strategically I say they have 2 options:
1.) release Neo as is per leaked specs at current PS4 price
2.) upgrade specs to be closer to Scorpio, release in spring.
I think they have a wild card Deep in their pockets to overall impress people. I also think people will be talking more about their show than Apples by the next morning. I could be Dead wrong though.
I just want them to announce HBO Now for my PS4. That's where the bar is set for me.
Neo details: official name, price, release date, and specs.
Games: 2 new titles, and some existing titles with "neo" mode.
Commitment to not segment players.
Other Playstation initiatives.
PSVR launch lineup.
Strategically I say they have 2 options:
1.) release Neo as is per leaked specs at current PS4 price
2.) upgrade specs to be closer to Scorpio, release in spring.
I think they have a wild card Deep in their pockets to overall impress people. I also think people will be talking more about their show than Apples by the next morning. I could be Dead wrong though.
I just want them to announce HBO Now for my PS4. That's where the bar is set for me.
AngelOFDeath
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I wish Cerny comes out to introduce it, his voice so soothing.
SolidSnakex
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That should be one of the safer bets.
AuthenticM
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My tub will be ready. And so will my body.
they could release a 10tf console on September 7th and you're still going to have 30fps games...framerate is a developer choice...period...
Nightengale
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Trying to read into Sony pre-event hype is a flawed practice. They practically do not promote or hype up their non-PSX events at all, and PSX has the caveat where they're selling tickets, so it's a more product-driven pitch. Their PSX hype shouldn't be seen as "we have the biggest megatons here because we're selling it harder than E3" but rather "we have a cool event, buy this ticket to join us!"
2blackcats
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Amen.
If I had any art skills I'd make a graphic of a big jug labelled "console power", then beside it a bunch of glasses each labeled, "FPS", "Resolution "," Effects " etc....
Up to the developers where they want to put the juice.
Your absolutely right. Very smart response. I wish i could give reputation points on this site
They were already working on Ratchet for a while before Sunset Overdrive came out (Ratchet was announced at E3 2014 months before Sunset came out). The director Bryan Intihar also didn't work on Ratchet and has been working on this since Sunset Overdrive. The Insomniac community manager has said they don't really have a specific team for a specific game usually, the studio is spread out working on multiple projects. But that most of Insomniac is working on this game. And as Lady Gaia said, the amount they showed says more about the game not releasing for over a year rather than how long the project has been in production.
SaganIsGOAT
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Just got $350 for my Taken King PS4. BALLIN. Gimme dat NEO baby
GodParticle
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With what we know, is this thing going to be worth an upgrade if I don't care about 4k?
I definitely don't think we'll see KH but I think FFVIIR has a small chance of appearing because it's so heavily tied to PS4, it's been a long time since we've seen it and FFXV has been pushed back to almost December so doesn't necessarily need the full spotlight in early September anymore.
And before someone mentions the Nomura quote about not showing more before 2.8 and WoFF, when he was asked about them doing something for FFVII's anniversary (not necessarily them showing more of the game in general) he said he personally wanted to wait to release more info about that until after 2.8 and WoFF are done. So I think it's possible.
Nightengale
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Do you care about improved graphics/performance? If no, then maybe not? If yes, then maybe?
It really depends on the pricing and the scale of improvement from vanilla PS4.
Yeah. Its gonna give you far more stable performance and visual quality from your games. 4K is just the selling point, 4K media, 4Kish games ect. I expect it to be 399 and a steal.
Primethius
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MS did it for sure but it seemed like a laughably bad reveal to me. Like a video directly trying to address the concerns of "GAF/Internet", but one that doesn't actually do anything to address their larger problems.
Maybe it's cause I'm not part of the Xbox ecosystem anymore so I wasn't impressed? But I literally laughed while watching the reveal. A superfluous PR piece a year out before release that gives a bunch of vague snippets.
But the realest pixels I guess, or something...
PeterLegend
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Microsoft trying to take shine away from Neo with their vague E3 announcement. Talking about a true 4K experience but not all games will be required to run in 4K Lol
GodParticle
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Oh, definitely would want improved effects and especially frame rate(would take that over anything). What I wouldn't like is if you just get a minor graphics boost and the majority of horsepower is pushing 4k
Well, whether or not graphics considerably get boosted depends on the game i think. Most devs are not going to work to make two different sets of assets for both versions. I'd mostly expect a significant refinement of the core PS4 experience than an actual generational esque leap in experience.
MetalGearZed
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I wish they never committed to that shitty ass cpu in the first place. It'll probably be the main reason if we don't get certain games at 60fps. You guys think that moving from the Jaguar for Neo would have had an effect on the systems' ability to play the same games?
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I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure I've generally heard that CPU changes make a bigger difference with compatibility than GPU ones. But that could be complete nonsense.
What would you expect them to change the CPU to?
Kwansu Dudes
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Intel i7 6790k so I can run youtube and a game at the same time on my new Ultra HD 4K TV.
wapplew
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AMD don't have any better solution at the price at that time.
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