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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)

Right before the Neo's unveil, how do you feel about the system?


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hodayathink

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The PS3 had the CELL architecture which dealt with computations differently then most processors and architectures. It would take a lot of time and resources to properly try to emulate the cell architecture on X86, and that's not even taking into account the various methods most developers had to take to get their games running on the CELL. So Sony probably doesn't see it as a fruitful endeavor, especially since they have PlayStation NOW.
Cell is a chip, not so much an architecture. If we're talking about compatibility and the PC4 moving to X86, the more relevant thing to bring up is that cell was based on PowerPC architecture (i.e. what old Apple computers used to use). Which is why when Apple moved to X86/Intel they had to specifically write Rosetta to get old Mac software to work.
 

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Cell is a chip, not so much an architecture.
Cell is very much an architecture, though the family was relatively short lived.

If we're talking about compatibility and the PC4 moving to X86, the more relevant thing to bring up is that cell was based on PowerPC architecture
Nonsense. While it's true you'd need to emulate or translate PowerPC code as part of the project as Microsoft has done for 360 titles, it's far from the hardest part of running code originally written the Cell-based PS3. The single PowerPC core was paired with a collection of SPE cores that each had extraordinary bandwidth to a very small pool of private memory (the combined bandwidth of the six available SPEs running game title code is over 300GB/s and DMA among SPEs and the PowerPC core exceeds 200GB/s.) Emulating that code would be impractical at this point.
 
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You already meet the time requirements, but you're still lacking in the number of posts. Gotta get to 300 posts (IIRC) before you're promoted from junior member status and get the ability to create threads.
Ah, I see, thanks...I thought that goes away after certain amount of time. I never actually bothered looking at my status all this time, ha.
 

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I would be worried about Sony & MS going the route of basically the same console with more power but GPU's are mostly programmable & cloud gaming is becoming a thing now so I'm not as worried about this.


Seem like gaming would get stale if we get anchored down to PS4 & Xbox One but looking at games like Bound & Dreams I don't think it's much to worry about we also have VR coming & Nintendo is still being disruptive trying new things.
 

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I would be worried about Sony & MS going the route of basically the same console with more power but GPU's are mostly programmable & cloud gaming is becoming a thing now so I'm not as worried about this.


Seem like gaming would get stale if we get anchored down to PS4 & Xbox One but looking at games like Bound & Dreams I don't think it's much to worry about we also have VR coming & Nintendo is still being disruptive trying new things.
Just because Nintendo doesn't follow the same boring cut and mold like the Power twins doesn't mean they are being disruptive.
 

onQ123

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Just because Nintendo doesn't follow the same boring cut and mold like the Power twins doesn't mean they are being disruptive.
Actually it does lol. what are you talking about?

The Wii , The Wii U , NDS ,3DS & now whatever NX is going to be they are all disruptive. even the look of the Nintendo games still standout from what people are getting used to.
 

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I would be worried about Sony & MS going the route of basically the same console with more power but GPU's are mostly programmable & cloud gaming is becoming a thing now so I'm not as worried about this.


Seem like gaming would get stale if we get anchored down to PS4 & Xbox One but looking at games like Bound & Dreams I don't think it's much to worry about we also have VR coming & Nintendo is still being disruptive trying new things.
Gaming won't get stale, the hardware will.
We got many new ideas in console hardware thanks to generation reset. Console manufacture get try new things when they don't have to worry about compatible, when everyone back to the starting line every new generation.
What worry me is when gamers choose console base on which ecosystem they invested more, when we so invest we can't leave, we choose the most invested console, not the best console.
Compatible and ecosystem become too big to fail, too big to change. That's console manufacture want but I don't think it's good for me.
 

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As for why I think Sony aren't going with Zen with Neo (assuming it is 100% compatible) is simply because then it wouldn't be a PS4 (I can hear the steam coming out of Inuhanyou's ears from here!). What would be the point in investing in the extra cost of transistors and heat for a CPU that would be limited by the current PS4 Jaguar? The whole point of the Neo rules is to not split the userbase and to put in a much stronger CPU would provide something that can't really be taken advantage of. Or in reality provide something that current PS4 owners would be up in arms about.
Normally I would say, "Future-proofing," would be an obvious and valid response to that, but I feel like the anti-Zen arguments are terrifically circular.

"Future proofing?? Not much point when they'll be abandoning support for it in a few years."
"There's no reason whatsoever for them to do that though."
"Well, do you want games being held back by a 6yo CPU??"
"No, which is why I assumed they'd use current tech instead for Neo."
"What? Why use the latest and greatest tech just for PS4 games?"
"Well, because better is better, and also because future-proofing."
"Future proofing?? Not much point when they'll be abandoning support for it in a few years."
"/sigh"

I do think Sony are edging their bets right now simply because they don't know yet how this will go. If they say and do stuff on the 7th that consumers like and Neo fly's off the shelves and PS4 owners are content then iterations will probably stay but if not then we'll get a PS5 in a few years as normal.
That's basically what I think — a generational reset would be the fallback plan for them. I suspect the primary goal is to have Neo become their mainstream device over the next three years, much as PS4 is their mainstream device today, and if the market plays along and migrates naturally to PS4.5 as its price drops, then yes, it should become the new baseline for performance just as PS4 is the baseline now and for the same reason — that's what most of their active users are currently rocking.

Of course, these are just more arguments for launching PS4.5 with the best possible tech. (As if Sony have ever needed any prodding to do so in the past…)


Sorta off topic but..
What would have to happen for consoles to become more like PCs, in that they can vary dramatically in power and build and still play the same games. i.e Why can modern PCs play games as old as 1980 but the PS4 can't play PS3 games? What's so different?
It happened three years ago when PS4 launched, which is what I'm trying to explain to everyone. For the foreseeable future, there will be zero reason for them to chuck everything out and start from scratch, which is what typically signals the start of a new generation. The only difference between PS4 and PS4.5 will be the vintage of the hardware. The only difference between PS4.5 and PS5 will be the vintage of the hardware. Ergo, the only difference between PS4 and PS5 will be the vintage of the hardware.


PocketNow reporting that Sony seems to have submitted NEO test docs to the FCC (Pocketnow link, including FCC link here: http://pocketnow.com/2016/08/20/sony-xperia-xr-playstation-4-neo-maybe-at-fcc)

For some reason I'm not able to make a new thread (maybe I ticked someone off somehow?), regardless, probably not worthy enough of a new thread anyway.
Both of those FCC applications describe cell phones. =/
 

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Gaming won't get stale, the hardware will.
We got many new ideas in console hardware thanks to generation reset. Console manufacture get try new things when they don't have to worry about compatible, when everyone back to the starting line every new generation.
What worry me is when gamers choose console base on which ecosystem they invested more, when we so invest we can't leave, we choose the most invested console, not the best console.
Compatible and ecosystem become too big to fail, too big to change. That's console manufacture want but I don't think it's good for me.

I said I would worry about it but I don't because everything is basically programmable now so even if PS5 is just a more powerful PS4 the fact that PS4 can do games like Dreams leave me with less to worry about.
 

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I hope you can stop being so overbearing about Zen and NEO including it when it doesn't happen Server >_>
 

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Between Neo and PSVR, I better prepare my wife for the hit my credit card is gonna take
PSVR $399
Neo $449
good headset for PSVR $150-$200
Possible driving wheel for Driveclub VR $300
TLG $60
GT Sport $60
Gravity rush 2 $60
Bunch of VR titles $60-$300
Yakuza 6 $60
FF15/FF world $120
Tomorrow children $20
Fifa/PES $60
Some game I might forgot to list $60-$240

Gaming never get so expensive and that haven't include early 2017 with NX and everything.
 

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Just judging by Andrew House's comments to date, I don't think they see rolling generations happening like this. They still seem to believe in the model of a fixed software generation, within which we might have a couple of hardware iterations.

That being the case, Neo won't be a PS4 that turns into a PS5, dropping the first PS4 out of the equation. It'll always just be a PS4. The next compatibility step will be the first PS5 model, whenever that comes, which will leave both the original PS4 and Neo behind.

All that said, I think Sony (and Microsoft) are still figuring out what might happen in the future, so maybe that could change. But right now it doesn't sound like it's on the cards, that the software cycle will hop along to straddle a window of hardware models at a given time. If they see Neo like that - as a PS4 iteration rather than a potential PS5 entry model - then I think it and the first PS4 will always play the same software.
i read that into house's comments too but I can't see how on earth they can keep that approach... Imagine ps5 launches with no back / forward compatibility and all your controllers etc need to be thrown away... Then ms announce scorpio2 where everything works still on both Scorpio models. Would be bad pr for Sony and bad for gamers. I reckon Sony will bust thru the generational "throw it all away" model too - they'll almost have to
 

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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
 

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Prepare yourself for the hit you gonna take after the wife sees the hit the credit card took.

Sadly speaking from experience lol. Metaphorically speaking. She didn't actually hit me. Serious.
Tell her you & your friends was robbed at gun point & hope that no video shows up of you buying the Neo & PSVR.
HA! Nah, she'll be cool with it. She'll probably just roll her eyes a bit. We both make good money so it won't be a big deal
 

wapplew

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i read that into house's comments too but I can't see how on earth they can keep that approach... Imagine ps5 launches with no back / forward compatibility and all your controllers etc need to be thrown away... Then ms announce scorpio2 where everything works still on both Scorpio models. Would be bad pr for Sony and bad for gamers. I reckon Sony will bust thru the generational "throw it all away" model too - they'll almost have to
Backward compatible is very likely to happen, but let's say it don't, PS5 with exclusive games that show true generation leap against Scorpio 2 games that have to run on Scorpio.
I will choose the former.
 

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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
Depends on how Sony sees it's purpose and how it's marketed. If it's a way to play PS4 games with better graphics, I'm not sure why a weak CPU would make it a hard sell.

A game like Horizon with improved draw distance, shadow quality, textures, AA and so on would be plenty, at least for me.
 

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If they show neo playing the games I already own with noticeably better graphics, that'll be the biggest value proposition for me.
 

wapplew

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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
I don't think they will ever talk about the CPU, maybe just say how many cores.
They show games running on it, the actual result of the hardware. We'll be the judge base on that, not what inside it.
 

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i read that into house's comments too but I can't see how on earth they can keep that approach... Imagine ps5 launches with no back / forward compatibility and all your controllers etc need to be thrown away... Then ms announce scorpio2 where everything works still on both Scorpio models. Would be bad pr for Sony and bad for gamers. I reckon Sony will bust thru the generational "throw it all away" model too - they'll almost have to
I would say its pretty likely that PS5 is going to be prioritized with BC.

Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
They only need to show the visual and performance upgrades to sell to the hardcore crowd. This is box that was going to be niche compared to their lower priced PS4 to begin with, offered as an optional upgrade.

So their level of investment is small enough where they don't have to worry about losing money if the average joes don't happen to think its worth a buy.
 
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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
This is not necessarily true. You can be a hard core gamer or a
gaming enthusiast but not a PC one. Neo as an upgrade over PS4 offers some similarities to PC gaming, but not entirely enough the Neo is targeting PC gamers.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
Nonsense. I am a very very very hardcore game enthusiast (my GAF obsession should speak to that) and I play primarily on PS4. I have a number of reasons for doing so and none of them negate my status as major aficionado. Same for any one else.

Remember that it was Sony's focus on hardcore gamers that won them the mindshare leading up to the release of the system.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
If you think that only people who care a lot about frame rate and graphics are the "hardcore" then you're sorely mistaken. I've been an avid gamer for more than a decade and most of my time spent on PC gaming has been flash games and MMO's while I play most core games on handhelds and consoles.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
/s
 

onQ123

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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.


PS4 & Xbox One use these weak Jaguar cores yet I can't think of any PC games that prove that Sony & MS made a mistake by using these week jaguar cores.


So what's this big hardcore thing that Neo isn't going to be able to do because of the weak Jaguar cores?

We seem to be dealing with the same type of A.I on PC & consoles , the audio has been pushed off to the GPU & physics also have been handed off to the GPU , more & more is being pushed off to the GPU & special purpose processors so what is it that a much more powerful CPU is needed for in a console that is going to be playing the same games that's on the PS4? why because you can get about 5 - 15 more FPS with a CPU that's a lot more expensive & draw more power & cause more heat?
 

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PS4 & Xbox One use these weak Jaguar cores yet I can't think of any PC games that prove that Sony & MS made a mistake by using these week jaguar cores.


So what's this big hardcore thing that Neo isn't going to be able to do because of the weak Jaguar cores?
Can CPU affect loading time? If yes, then I guess that's one advantage for better CPU.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
There's more to this hobby than the power of the machine. I tend to avoid PC gaming because a lot of the games don't interest me and I like collecting physical copies which is much more convenient on consoles. I do have a gaming PC but I haven't played a game on it in months.
 

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I might be wrong here, but my assumption is that if you are at all a gaming enthusiast or a hardcore gamer, you will have a dedicated gaming PC gaming rig. Everyone knows that the consoles are for the mainstream, hence the cheaper price and easier access to play games.

The NEO will not be targeting hardcore gamers as hardcore gamers will be looking elsewhere for their games. IMHO.
I think hardcore gamers are different from people who enjoy playing with graphics.
 
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The breakout box don't really add much for VR besides better audio through the headset other than that the box is for splitting the video signal between the headset & TV.


I don't see why they would add that to the actual console
That's why I think they will, if they are able to do the box's tasks onboard the new apu via gpgu then it's a no brainer, and it was confirmed to be AMD's audio tech in the breakout box.
We'll have to wait for the official Neo announcement to know for sure, there could well be a cut down Neo-only package, would be a good selling point and they obviously wouldn't have been able to give the game away by telling people about a box-less version previously. What's the worst that happens, some people swap their preorders for the new one?
 

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That's why I think they will, if they are able to do the box's tasks onboard the new apu via gpgu then it's a no brainer, and it was confirmed to be AMD's audio tech in the breakout box.
We'll have to wait for the official Neo announcement to know for sure, there could well be a cut down Neo-only package, would be a good selling point and they obviously wouldn't have been able to give the game away by telling people about a box-less version previously. What's the worst that happens, some people swap their preorders for the new one?
I don't think they'll confuse the PSVR retail pack by having a separate SKU that doesn't need the breakout box. Working under that assumption, they're not going to include it as part of Neo when it'll bring the cost of Neo up.
 

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Will the Neo have an upgraded HDD? Loading time sucks already in many games, and it'll only get worse with higher res textures unless the IO bandwidth is increased.
 

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ah. i see. I think $399/1TB is the magic number for Neo. don't know how anyone could complain about that. though im half expecting $449 too, but i can definitely see any price higher than that turning millions of people off. im sure Sony compromised the right things to get a nice price/performance one-two punch.
This: $ 399 or max. $ 449

Same for Scorpio next year. I think they will make the same launch price as Neo does this year. Launch hardware costs should be about the same given the year difference.
 
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They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.
Sony isn't going to struggle over a CPU, maybe perception-wise among the ultra hardcore on message boards for a bit, but even some of those folks will likely cave.

Jaguar is non-issue for a mid-generation update.
 
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I don't think they'll confuse the PSVR retail pack by having a separate SKU that doesn't need the breakout box. Working under that assumption, they're not going to include it as part of Neo when it'll bring the cost of Neo up.
But we don't know if it would even bring the cost of Neo up aside from adding a single port and, say, reserving a few gpu cores when in VR mode.
You know what would make Neo cheaper? Just do a like for like die shrink of ps4 with no improvements, but that's not the Path of Neo™.
 

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Will the Neo have an upgraded HDD? Loading time sucks already in many games, and it'll only get worse with higher res textures unless the IO bandwidth is increased.
I expect SATA III, maybe software tweaks for SSHD/SSD users, and perhaps Neo's margins and premium strategy can get a SSHD in there but probably still unlikely alas.

But we have no info on any changes.
 

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Can CPU affect loading time? If yes, then I guess that's one advantage for better CPU.
I think compression & decompression has also been handed off to special purpose hardware


Fake edit: yeah but I'm not sure how much it help with loading

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?print=1

Freeing Up Resources: The PS4's Dedicated Units

Another thing the PlayStation 4 team did to increase the flexibility of the console is to put many of its basic functions on dedicated units on the board -- that way, you don't have to allocate resources to handling these things.

"The reason we use dedicated units is it means the overhead as far as games are concerned is very low," said Cerny. "It also establishes a baseline that we can use in our user experience."

"For example, by having the hardware dedicated unit for audio, that means we can support audio chat without the games needing to dedicate any significant resources to them. The same thing for compression and decompression of video." The audio unit also handles decompression of "a very large number" of MP3 streams for in-game audio, Cerny added.

At the New York City unveiling of the system, Cerny talked about PlayGo, the system by which the console will download digital titles even as they're being played.

"The concept is you download just a portion of the overall data and start your play session, and you continue your play session as the rest downloads in the background," he explained to Gamasutra.

However, PlayGo "is two separate linked systems," Cerny said. The other is to do with the Blu-ray drive -- to help with the fact that it is, essentially, a bit slow for next-gen games.

"So, what we do as the game accesses the Blu-ray disc, is we take any data that was accessed and we put it on the hard drive. And if then if there is idle time, we go ahead and copy the remaining data to the hard drive. And what that means is after an hour or two, the game is on the hard drive, and you have access, you have dramatically quicker loading... And you have the ability to do some truly high-speed streaming."

To further help the Blu-ray along, the system also has a unit to support zlib decompression -- so developers can confidently compress all of their game data and know the system will decode it on the fly. "As a minimum, our vision is that our games are zlib compressed on media," said Cerny.

There's also another custom chip to put the system in a low-power mode for background downloads. "To make it a more green hardware, which is very important for us, we have the ability to turn off the main power in the system and just have power to that secondary custom chip, system memory, and I/O -- hard drive, Ethernet. So that allows background downloads to happen in a very low power scenario. We also have the ability to shut off everything except power to the RAMs, which is how we leave your game session suspended."
 

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I am willing to take the higher clocked jaguar and the 4.2 t-flops at 399. If they put in a 2tb drive, I would pay 499. What I would really like out of it is a great VR experience and the games that currently have fps drops to steady out.

As for PS5, I do not really care if the PS4 games are playable on it. I tend not to go back and play previous gen games. If a lot of people want it, then I hope you get it in, just not important to me.
 
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PS4 & Xbox One use these weak Jaguar cores yet I can't think of any PC games that prove that Sony & MS made a mistake by using these week jaguar cores.


So what's this big hardcore thing that Neo isn't going to be able to do because of the weak Jaguar cores?

We seem to be dealing with the same type of A.I on PC & consoles , the audio has been pushed off to the GPU & physics also have been handed off to the GPU , more & more is being pushed off to the GPU & special purpose processors so what is it that a much more powerful CPU is needed for in a console that is going to be playing the same games that's on the PS4? why because you can get about 5 - 15 more FPS with a CPU that's a lot more expensive & draw more power & cause more heat?
Given the game needs to be ported to multiple formats the baseline is set by consoles, hampering what PC can do with extra whoomph
 

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PSVR $399
Neo $449
good headset for PSVR $150-$200
Possible driving wheel for Driveclub VR $300
TLG $60
GT Sport $60
Gravity rush 2 $60
Bunch of VR titles $60-$300
Yakuza 6 $60
FF15/FF world $120
Tomorrow children $20
Fifa/PES $60
Some game I might forgot to list $60-$240

Gaming never get so expensive and that haven't include early 2017 with NX and everything.
This is why I held off on building a new PC.
 

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Considering that Sony combs through the major gaming forums, especially GAF, I'm sure they're highly cognizant of the core crowd's opinions regarding those lackluster Jaguar CPUs.

They'll be struggling to convince the hardcore gaming audience that a premium PS4 SKU, laden with such a weak CPU, will be worth the premium price they'll undoubtedly be charging.

Of course, this is assuming that the NEO will be targeting the hardcore gaming audience.
why would they care now ? they already sold boatloads of ps4s probably exceeded their own expectations with the console and will continue to do so

they dont need to gamble with a more powerful box when they can just make a slightly stronger premium model that complements psvr
 
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I'm hyped.

Kind of hoping for the following to come along with the confirmation of the circulating specs of the Neo:

- At least one USB port on the back that functions exactly like the two on the front, would love to discreetly keep my controller charging dock hidden from the face of the console
- Much quieter cooling solution
- 2TB STANDARD hard drive, not just apparently limited launch run like the Xbox One S
- A controller refresh (fully compatible with existing PS4s, but perhaps debuting simultaneously with Neo) -- not like a complete overhaul or anything, as I quite like the core ergonomics, but maybe something more along the lines of better battery and some slight adjustments -- for instance, rubberized gripping in the back and sturdier, "grippier" thumb sticks, just some iterative user comfort and practical design changes
- white color, I know this is a contested and subjective view and I don't mind offering both black AND white SKUs, but I love my 2014 Destiny PS4 (pure white) and in general like my electronics in white, so I'm really hoping Neo is launching with a white option, and pure matte design -- glossy is terrible, though I know new iteration PS4s are all matte
- speaking of new PS4 iteration, please have actual buttons for all the console controls -- capacitive touch is overrated, like gloss finish -- hoping they don't revert on either with the Neo
- day 1 updates for a few popular titles to take advantage of Neo spec computing power boost, specifically would like to see what kind of potential improvements that Naughty Dog was able to make with Uncharted 4
 
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There's more to this hobby than the power of the machine. I tend to avoid PC gaming because a lot of the games don't interest me and I like collecting physical copies which is much more convenient on consoles. I do have a gaming PC but I haven't played a game on it in months.
Yeah. I'm similar regarding pc gaming.
Although i do play the pc classics, emulated and indie games on my computer, i prefer consoles for everything else.

Games on physical format are very important for the frugal gamer like me. Don't keep games that i have finished (except for those rare gotg games that i know i will replay) - i sell / exchange them for cash / more games.
Have saved a fortune doing this over the 25 years or so i have been into this hobby:)
 

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Just been re-reading posts from the various Neo threads over the last few months and there are some potentially really interesting tidbits.

Minor CPU/GPU clock bumps/more RAM are a real possibility but the one that sticks out for me is a 'significant feature' that hasn't been leaked yet. I wonder what this could be?

Extra dedicated chips to off-load from CPU/GPU making it more powerful than the headline specs?
PSVR breakout box built-in?
Sony
"stealing" Nintendo's NX concept and beating them to the punch
? (this would kill GAF and the internet)

Anyone else got any ideas on what this feature could be?
 
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