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PlayStation need to realize that they are not a service company

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Sony business is selling third party games. That is how they make money, instead subscription fees, they take a cut of other companies work.

To make playstation an attractive place to sell third party games, they make exclusive content.

The incentive to buy the next gta7 on playstation if you dont own playstion is slim.

That's not Sony's only business. Are you really trying to say that the millions of copies of first party titles don't matter in their grand scheme?

Even still you can do both. Putting your content on multiple platforms doesn't diminish The content.
 

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They fucking better release another console lol

I'm hoping that enough of us are still alive that make up a chunk of older gamers that they still put out hardware. Even if its at a higher price or something. As I get older, I just don't really trust having all my stuff in subscriptions or online only and sorta separate it with certain things. So TV might be the only thing i'm ok with cause having a show get pulled isn't a big deal to me (cause Ima steal it from torrents anyway lol) , but gaming I like to keep most of my set up physical as look at what we are dealing with with the PS Stores for Vita, PSP, PS3 etc.

If they are able to make some set up where you can download the game, put it on a disk, but the disk ONLY works on your PS8 or something, then I'd be ok with that if they have this intention of doing a rental or streaming thing, if they still have an option for consumers who wish to game offline/physical.

Like PS8 or NextBox6 you have an option to stream on the past gens, PC and some new mini box, but a more expensive option you buy a system with a disk drive, you buy the disk YOURSELVE like a certain RedRay (I don't know what they asses will be making in 20 years lol) and the drive can download the game, burn it to a disk and that disk can only be read on your system as DRM or something. It sounds crazy, but shit if we are the only 20%.....many of us might be willing to do such a set up if it means we can still game the way we wish to game.
I too wish that, in fact more options the better, for us consumers anyway. Whether mega buisnesses will feel the same way, who knows.
I mean i'm fully digital as i'm on PC, but if i still gamed on console too, i'd still buy physical.
 

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Even apple knows that you can't keep a walled garden to make money on consumable content. Their customers who want to be apart of their experience have that option but they don't leave people out simply because they don't own an apple device. It doesn't make sense with consumable media.

Gaming is a bit trickier, I think, because of how things have gone traditionally. If streaming is its own platform entirely, you have third-party on there etc., than it should work. However, if it's a case of say, MS putting all of their first-party on PS as part of a streaming package, I'm not sure how that nets a positive result for MS. They would really need the subs to skyrocket to cover the losses from making their console irrelevant. Even as an Xbot, I'd probably just get a PS since I can do everything on that one box.
 

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That's not Sony's only business. Are you really trying to say that the millions of copies of first party titles don't matter in their grand scheme?

Even still you can do both. Putting your content on multiple platforms doesn't diminish The content.
Yes that is Sony bussiness. Sony takes 30% on all software sold on playstation.
 
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I too wish that, in fact more options the better, for us consumers anyway. Whether mega buisnesses will feel the same way, who knows.
I mean i'm fully digital as i'm on PC, but if i still gamed on console too, i'd still buy physical.

True. I still buy physical when ever I can on PC
 

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However, based on being a PlayStation fan for the longest time they are just terrible at services and it is not within their core competencies.
PS5 has been out months now and UI updates are few and far between, changing next to nothing.

Customer service is atrociously bad and is historically notorious among gamers, trying to get a refund is like trying to get blood out of a stone and they have run afoul of authorities several times for denying consumer rights.

When you try and raise concerns on twitter or there is some type of negative backlash, Sony executives and employees bury their heads in the sand and ignore it rather than engage and try and improve.

I could go on and on, we have all experienced how bad services are on PlayStation.

Yep, good for you to realize and talk about this. Folks get really defensive. Sony can't do no wrong in their minds. The truth is that Playstation is pretty terrible lately and only thrives in 2 (major) areas: AAA blockbusters and marketing of those games.

I am not sure how many folks on this forum lived through the golden era of the Playstation brand (PS1 and PS2) Playstation became something else in the 7th gen. More western, more blockbuster oriented. You folks are eager to throw Jim Ryan under the bus, but Sony has been like this for a long while. Specially since Naughty Dog took over as the premier studio displacing Japan Studio and Poliphony, 989 among others.

Of course I don't agree that they should have more full exclusives, exclusives are stupid and due to game preservation alone, all games should be released on PC. I think Sony fanboys are too blind to see that those PC ports will fund upcoming blockbusters and (I wish) even all those AA games we had in the PS1 and PS2 era.

Japan studio, Evolution and more closed and you know what? Playstation gamers are to blame. They changed. All they care is about their FIFAs CODs and flavour of the month MTX heavy online game. Sony needs to bring their niche first party games to audiences that care.

And don't get me started on the BC fiasco. The modern Sony audience doesn't care. They are fine as long as they can hop in GTA online and Fortnite.
 
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They fucking better release another console lol

I'm hoping that enough of us are still alive that make up a chunk of older gamers that they still put out hardware. Even if its at a higher price or something. As I get older, I just don't really trust having all my stuff in subscriptions or online only and sorta separate it with certain things. So TV might be the only thing i'm ok with cause having a show get pulled isn't a big deal to me (cause Ima steal it from torrents anyway lol) , but gaming I like to keep most of my set up physical as look at what we are dealing with with the PS Stores for Vita, PSP, PS3 etc.

If they are able to make some set up where you can download the game, put it on a disk, but the disk ONLY works on your PS8 or something, then I'd be ok with that if they have this intention of doing a rental or streaming thing, if they still have an option for consumers who wish to game offline/physical.

Like PS8 or NextBox6 you have an option to stream on the past gens, PC and some new mini box, but a more expensive option you buy a system with a disk drive, you buy the disk YOURSELVE like a certain RedRay (I don't know what they asses will be making in 20 years lol) and the drive can download the game, burn it to a disk and that disk can only be read on your system as DRM or something. It sounds crazy, but shit if we are the only 20%.....many of us might be willing to do such a set up if it means we can still game the way we wish to game.
Streaming will never take off for gaming.

There are two types of gamers... passive and immersive. PlayStation is focused on immersive games and gameplay mostly... big AAA cinematic experiences that do not make sense on a phone or delivered through an unstable internet.

Nintendo games like Animal Crossing and even games like Assassins Creed could go streaming cause there isn't much at steak and they need very little concentration.

Souls games, Fighters, racing games and all the stuff PS is into... is just fundamentally incompatible. Thats why Uncharted PSVita never worked to get a huge audience IMO. It belonged on a big TV on local hardware.
 
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Do you really think that would happen?

If anything, I'd say they'll keep this roll on "for free on Xbox, US$70 on PS5" to use it as PR to make Playstation look bad.
We'll see...

My attitude will be to wait for a sale, I have no urgency to play those games.
 
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Last year, back when I had PS4 Pro, I got a used Xbox One X to see how it plays (had Xbox One in the past). Well... Xbox pad didn't seem so perfect anymore, and Gamepass seemed impressive at first, but I played two games for a bit and had nothing left that I wanted to play. Came back to PS a week later. The point is people may overestimate how Gamepass influences Sony decisions.
I wouldn’t judge it off of that experience - my buddy I was staying with had the one x with gamepass - I was stuck in a room with it in his house for a week - useless console
 

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Yes that is Sony bussiness. Sony takes 30% on all software sold on playstation.

And they take 100 percent on first party.

Them putting their first party games on PC isn't going to take away that 30 percent away from them on Playstation.
 

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Exclusives are made with the purpose of attracting gamers to a platform and maximizing the userbase.

It is highly ironic that people like you cheered on the Zenimax acquisition, which didnt bring any new games to Xbox but only took them off PS...... but now argue against exclusives because the shoe is on the other foot. At least you wear your hypocrisy on your sleeve....
No no, calm down I have never rejoiced at the exclusion of a platform even if honestly after years and years of seeing Sony using their market position and do everything to cut the legs of the opponents, it almost deserves to be starved. instead I enjoyed seeing Xbox ensure with the acquisition of Bethesda, a continuous stream of titles that will surely be optimized for the platform. We all know the Microsoft "exclusives" aren't exclusives as you described, all of them will be on pc on day one and soon on xcloud too. As far as I'm concerned, the concept of exclusivity relegated to a walled garden is an old concept that fastest it vanishes fastest the world of gamers will enjoy more titles . Companies should calculate earnings on software and peripherals (e.g. controllers) thus letting the largest possible number of players enjoy the games. In this PC should teach that the best software platform always wins. for this Steam has won over everything else. Sony like Microsoft should do just that by competing as the best service proposal and not relegating beautiful games perhaps behind a hw that in that hypothetical gen it is the worst on the market just because they have shelled out money to keep it (the game) away from other platforms.
 
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And they take 100 percent on first party.

Them putting their first party games on PC isn't going to take away that 30 percent away from them on Playstation.
Its going to diminish The need to buy playstation. The less playstation sold the less third party games sold.
 
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No no, calm down I have never rejoiced at the exclusion of a platform even if honestly after years and years of seeing Sony using their market position and do everything to cut the legs of the opponents, it almost deserves to be starved. instead I enjoyed seeing Xbox ensure with the acquisition of Bethesda, a continuous stream of titles that will surely be optimized for the platform. We all know the Microsoft "exclusives" aren't exclusives as you described, all of them will be on pc on day one and soon on xcloud too. As far as I'm concerned, the concept of exclusivity relegated to a walled garden is an old concept that fastest it vanishes fastest the world of gamers will enjoy more titles . Companies should calculate earnings on software and peripherals (e.g. controllers) thus letting the largest possible number of players enjoy the games. In this PC should teach that the best software platform always wins. for this Steam has won over everything else. Sony like Microsoft should do just that by competing as the best service proposal and not relegating beautiful games perhaps behind a hw that in that hypothetical gen it is the worst on the market or just the lower one just because they have shelled out money to keep it away from other platforms.
PlayStation is much bigger than Steam..... it has 75 - 90% of Europe and then almost everything in Japan outside Nintendo, it also dominates the middle east and still is in 1st position in north america.
the 25 billion revenue alone is about 4 times the revenue of Steam.

So I don't think you have the facts.
 
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Its going to diminish The need to buy playstation. The less playstation sold the less third party games sold.
That argument appears to not hold much weight as Sony is now going further into PC.

Whatever your main platform is, isn't likley to change based on having to buy a piece of hardware to play exclusives. And again, the fact you now have 2 of the major 3 diving in to PC even more shows that they are seeing numbers that confirm that. At the very least the number of people buying on PC has surpassed the amount of lost revenue they would have received if someone bought a playstation and maybe software other than their own.
 

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Seems like console exclusives may be a thing of the past after Sony has given PC it's best blessings. The only "unofficial" console exclusives will be on switch, and yet those games play much better on PC.
Yeah, well we will see if someone decides that calling the games 'Exclusive' and pasting that term everywhere was a good idea....when they decide to bring them to court for false advertising.
 
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Gaming is a bit trickier, I think, because of how things have gone traditionally. If streaming is its own platform entirely, you have third-party on there etc., than it should work. However, if it's a case of say, MS putting all of their first-party on PS as part of a streaming package, I'm not sure how that nets a positive result for MS. They would really need the subs to skyrocket to cover the losses from making their console irrelevant. Even as an Xbot, I'd probably just get a PS since I can do everything on that one box.
I dont disagree that gaming is more tricky because of its nature of how you consume it. But I dont see how its a negative if in a hypothetical world you streamed Microsoft content on a Playstation. You still have to give em money. Would it be less of a cut than if you were on PC or Xbox? Sure. But them taking a slightly smaller cut from 200 million people vs a full cut from 100 million nets them more in the end.
 
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Streaming will never take off for gaming.

There are two types of gamers... passive and immersive. PlayStation is focused on immersive games and gameplay mostly... big AAA cinematic experiences that do not make sense on a phone or delivered through an unstable internet.

Nintendo games like Animal Crossing and even games like Assassins Creed could go streaming cause there isn't much at steak and they need very little concentration.

Souls games, Fighters, racing games and all the stuff PS is into... is just fundamentally incompatible. Thats why Uncharted PSVita never worked to get a huge audience IMO. It belonged on a big TV on local hardware.
I dunno ... when it comes to Animal Crossing and Assassin's Creed there might be a lot at potatoes.
 
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Doesn't really seem like they're working on a serious gamepass competitor at all right now. Why would they, really? MS created Gamepass as a reaction to Sony's recent dominance. By all accounts Sony is still doing fine, doubt they'll shift they're strategy until the tables start turning. Depends on their PC strategy too...MS gamepass play works in large part because they can also sell it to PC users.

Regarding exclusives, I dunno, it's a weird requirement to want things to be exclusive. In the past I understand...prior to recent gens console hardware very much still had it's own identity...games built from the ground up for that hardware and only that hardware had benefits as a result. That combined with the higher stakes for exclusives (system sellers) often resulted in some extremely high quality games. Hardware has become so standardized (at least for Sony/MS) that you lose a lot of that benefit.
 
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PlayStation is much bigger than Steam..... it has 75 - 90% of Europe and then almost everything in Japan outside Nintendo, it also dominates the middle east and still is in 1st position in north america.
the 25 billion revenue alone is about 4 times the revenue of Steam.

So I don't think you have the facts.
We dont have Steam revenue as its a private company. But its been estimated that revenue was over 20bil for 2020, and thats with only having game sales to fall back on, no services, license fees for its own games, and hardware (well excpet its VR headset). If you talk money soley from game sales, Steam would be miles ahead of Playstation.
 
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PlayStation is much bigger than Steam..... it has 75 - 90% of Europe and then almost everything in Japan outside Nintendo, it also dominates the middle east and still is in 1st position in north america.
the 25 billion revenue alone is about 4 times the revenue of Steam.

So I don't think you have the facts.
uhm What does it mean? I have not compared steam with PlayStation but steam with other competitors on its platform (Microsoft Windows). Sony launched its console in 1994 steam is a software platform born 10 or 11 years later, and moreover in a period where PC gaming was not growing at all as it is now (thanks to the fame of steam itself). What I meant with my previous post is that I would like to see a Sony software platform on pc or on any other hardware (the same goes for the Xbox) where can I find the First party sony games, no more longer relegated to the hardware that Sony forces to buy, but it is ME who decide how to play them because simply what they offering is very very good.
Fortunately, thanks to Sony, Microsoft started doing just that and if the next xbox will be shitty underpowered hw I'm not forced to accept it buying it because if i don't I'm cutted out from xbox games. It would be great if Sony did the same.
How many people do you think have bought a ps5 or an xsx paying for rare and expensive hw that at the moment for lack of real nextgen games are gathering dust? for the Xbox this is worth less because thanks to gamepass the cost of gaming is so low that one, waiting for next gen games can afford to try a lot of other games that otherwise like on ps5 would have had to spend capital just to try them but the nicest thing is that you can choose if buying the console is it worth it or not since you can play its games on pc on phone and soon on everything that will have a browser

Hw walled gardens are nowdays good just for platform holder and not for customers
 
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We dont have Steam revenue as its a private company. But its been estimated that revenue was over 20bil for 2020, and thats with only having game sales to fall back on, no services, license fees for its own games, and hardware (well excpet its VR headset). If you talk money soley from game sales, Steam would be miles ahead of Playstation.
Private companies still file returns that can be accessed, their 2017 revenue was 4.3 billion..... there's no way in hell it jumped to 20 billion in 3 years, those are pure fantasy numbers.
 

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Yeah, well we will see if someone decides that calling the games 'Exclusive' and pasting that term everywhere was a good idea....when they decide to bring them to court for false advertising.
I don't think it would hold up in court honestly. There's are so many things labeled as "exclusive", yet it becomes a normal production run after some time. I don't think this is a bad thing. It's not not half of playstation owners are going up move to PC overnight. Plus they will have much more money to fund future games. It's a win win for everyone
 
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Private companies still file returns that can be accessed, their 2017 revenue was 4.3 billion..... there's no way in hell it jumped to 20 billion in 3 years, those are pure fantasy numbers.
And Valve themselves have said games sales themselves have gone up 40%, 40%, and 50% the last 3 years, from officla data they do release. With active users basically doubling in that time too.
Again you have to remember that the vast majority of mony made on Steam is just from games. They only have their VR headset (whihc has sold well to be fair), no other hardware or services. I mean how many billions a year does PSPlus make for Sony on its own?

EDIT. Also, and its something i completely forgot about, games added to Steam that are bought on key sites do not go towards Steam ervenue. They get nothing for them.

When you take into account Steam is just one of what?, 8 launchers on PC. And then take away money from hardware and services, PC would be miles ahead of everyone.
 
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And Valve themselves have said games sales themselves have gone up 40%, 40%, and 50% the last 3 years, from officla data they do release. With active users basically doubling in that time too.
Again you have to remember that the vast majority of mony made on Steam is just from games. They only have their VR headset (whihc has sold well to be fair), no other hardware or services. I mean how many billions a year does PSPlus make for Sony on its own?
Yeah but even with those impressive figures it wouldn't hit 20 for a few years more.

Anyway, it's all speculation.
 

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Yeah but even with those impressive figures it wouldn't hit 20 for a few years more.

Anyway, it's all speculation.
Well i was actually reading about this on Steam itself the other day, and of course the prof accountants on there were estimating 20bil for 2020 basd on data they do have.
But yeah you are right, its all speculation at the end of the day.
 
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Yea, and you can still buy a CD, you can still watch TV without a subscription and you can still go to the movies and buy them physically.
and yet the cd and dvd section in stores get smaller and smaller as the years go by. Not to even mention all of the movie stores that have closed down like I think it was suncoast, fye in my city is gone, and tower records is dead. Just because you can buy vinyl records doesn't mean much when it is a niche product. Look I love going to the movies but I also know tons of folks who refuse to pay that ticket price and just stick to netflix or pirating.

The big thing though is like you said games are getting larger and larger so bandwith caps would be a major issue but at the same time most folk don't even finish a game so why bother having folks download a whole game when you know they are only either going to play maybe 30% of the game.

Can you imagine a game with a file size of 400 gigs or even a terabyte ? I'm sure were going to hit that 400 gigs for ps6 since games are already nearing 200 gigs this gen.
 

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Private companies still file returns that can be accessed, their 2017 revenue was 4.3 billion..... there's no way in hell it jumped to 20 billion in 3 years, those are pure fantasy numbers.
Its actually not if the 40,40,50 numbers are correct.

4.3 bullion with an uptick of 40 percent. 1.72 billion added. total 6 billion.
6 billion with an uptick in 40 percent. 2.4 billion added. Total 8.4 billion
8.4 billion with an uptick of 50 percent. 4.2 billion added. 12.6 billion.

With the pandemic gaming has seen a very sharp rise. If they perform even identical to 50 percent, but its likely higher, you would be looking at 18.9 billion.
 
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and yet the cd and dvd section in stores get smaller and smaller as the years go by.

Not really... Nope.



So yea....they are doing just fine as clearly its worth it to burn the disk and print the paper. The fact that they still exist to this extent very much shows its going to be even harder for gaming to make that transition. They have a medium where the size gets larger and the community by quite a lot still wishes to own vs stream.

even mention all of the movie stores that have closed down

Thats nice. Crazy cause I was still able to get the Bluray Alien Collection just fine though........from Amazon, here....see how that works?


The store closing down doesn't mean someone doesn't want to buy movies, it means they don't want to buy them FROM THAT STORE.

Just because you can buy vinyl records

yea CDs and films are not in that area just yet, not even close.

Can you imagine a game with a file size of 400 gigs or even a terabyte ? I'm sure were going to hit that 400 gigs for ps6 since games are already nearing 200 gigs this gen.

yea, but all that argues is they will be even more in favor of having a physical option... Not worrying about downloading something as a rental, data caps etc So what ever new media format Sony, Panasonic or who ever makes, will simply fill that void. So I'm not looking to download that much nor have my collection tied to an account.

I'll buy the disk and be done with it.
 

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I dont disagree that gaming is more tricky because of its nature of how you consume it. But I dont see how its a negative if in a hypothetical world you streamed Microsoft content on a Playstation. You still have to give em money. Would it be less of a cut than if you were on PC or Xbox? Sure. But them taking a slightly smaller cut from 200 million people vs a full cut from 100 million nets them more in the end.

I guess. Do the 100 million stick around or is the entire full cut pie lost? I guess if GP is their only play they wouldn't care. What about the third-party cut from the Xbox users?
 

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Earth, sometimes.
No PS fans want a new service, we want new studios... we want more exclusives and we want them to be full exclusive.
Oh do I, thanks for telling me that.

Actually, I want ps plus and now to merge and expand into something, while not gamepass size, something along those lines, that give games at a regular rate for a decent price each month.
 
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Private companies still file returns that can be accessed, their 2017 revenue was 4.3 billion..... there's no way in hell it jumped to 20 billion in 3 years, those are pure fantasy numbers.
Where exactly can you find Valve's revenue numbers?

I think that 20 billion sounds far fetched.. but so does you pulling Valve's revenue out of your ass and claiming it can be accessed lol

lol you are quoting Steam Spy...


Private companies do not have to report revenue to anyone but the IRS, and no we do not have access to that.
 
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I guess. Do the 100 million stick around or is the entire full cut pie lost? I guess if GP is their only play they wouldn't care. What about the third-party cut from the Xbox users?
We would need more numbers on their overlap of GP only that arent on PC or Xbox to really know.

But as they contine to expand their plans seems to be allowing you to play anything through xcloud that you purchase. If they get there they would still be taking their cut on purchased games.
 

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Its actually not if the 40,40,50 numbers are correct.

4.3 bullion with an uptick of 40 percent. 1.72 billion added. total 6 billion.
6 billion with an uptick in 40 percent. 2.4 billion added. Total 8.4 billion
8.4 billion with an uptick of 50 percent. 4.2 billion added. 12.6 billion.

With the pandemic gaming has seen a very sharp rise. If they perform even identical to 50 percent, but its likely higher, you would be looking at 18.9 billion.
Well the percentage rises i saw were from the thread on Steam itself i was reading. They did have the press releases though.
Did also find this - https://www.statista.com/statistics/547025/steam-game-sales-revenue/
which shows Steam game sales going from 1.5bil in 2014 to 4.3bil in 2017!. Crazy growth

Just found out Steam is launching in China this year too. Didnt realize it wasnt in China already. Man if Steam takes off in China, will be game over regardless lol.
 
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And they take 100 percent on first party.

Them putting their first party games on PC isn't going to take away that 30 percent away from them on Playstation.

Not completely, but certainly to some extent.

If Sony put everything on PC day and date, some users would opt for PC over PS. Thus they purchase their games for PC and never have a PS. Sony still sells their software, but they don't really have a stake in the third-party sales.

They could, of course, start a competing store, but market share there might be hard to come by.

Microsoft has gone that way, but I'm not sure Sony ever will.
 
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I'm getting really tired of these stupid ass fucking threads. Damn Microsoft really hurt you fanboys huh? Because damn over the past two weeks I've seen similar topics on Sony and you know what just to piss you manchild fanboys who are in their 30s or 40s. I hope some day in the future Sony does a Gamepass-like service. Just to piss you, people, off. Shut up.
 

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Not completely, but certainly to some extent.

If Sony put everything on PC day and date, some users would opt for PC over PS. Thus they purchase their games for PC and never have a PS. Sony still sells their software, but they don't really have a stake in the third-party sales.

They could of course start a competing store, but market share there might be hard to come by.

The fact that sony is going into PC even moreso after Horizon tells me that, at the very least, they are not seeing people buy more than exclusives if they already have a platform of choice.

If you game on PC and buy a PS for the exclusives but go back to your PC for everything else then yes they are losing a bit of money since steam/whoever will take their cut.

But since they are going harder into PC that tells me that the number of people who are buying their games on PC are either just buying the exclusives or not buying a playstation. Getting both of those customers vs one is still more revenue vs one alone.
 

Bryank75

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Where exactly can you find Valve's revenue numbers?

I think that 20 billion sounds far fetched.. but so does you pulling Valve's revenue out of your ass and claiming it can be accessed lol

lol you are quoting Steam Spy...


Private companies do not have to report revenue to anyone but the IRS, and no we do not have access to that.
Interesting...in Europe you can access any limted liability companies accounts.
 
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The fact that sony is going into PC even moreso after Horizon tells me that, at the very least, they are not seeing people buy more than exclusives if they already have a platform of choice.

If you game on PC and buy a PS for the exclusives but go back to your PC for everything else then yes they are losing a bit of money since steam/whoever will take their cut.

But since they are going harder into PC that tells me that the number of people who are buying their games on PC are either just buying the exclusives or not buying a playstation. Getting both of those customers vs one is still more revenue vs one alone.

That's why I mentioned day and date specifically. If they release everything 2yrs later, that would protect PS for the most part, players still have a strong reason to choose PS AS their platform of choice over PC. While PC players can buy the games later. Day and date would cost Sony a noticeable chunk of PS sales, IMO (just as it has MS). I've had so many people tell me that they went PC over Xbox since they could get better specs and MS games were over there anyway. That ship has sailed for MS. I think Sony is more protective of their console user base. But I guess we'll see. I would be absolutely shocked by day and date release of PS exclusives on PC.
 

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Disagree they are as bad at services as you say they are their ps+ Service is great there have been some great titles on there in the past and I've always found the sales good aswell, also right now there's good money to be made expanding their service to pc it's just too big a market to give up .
 

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Disagree they are as bad at services as you say they are their ps+ Service is great there have been some great titles on there in the past and I've always found the sales good aswell, also right now there's good money to be made expanding their service to pc it's just too big a market to give up .
Why help a competing platform instead of attack it?

They should be looking to take users away from PC. It is the wrong attitude to treat PC as some common ground, they will only stand to lose long term customers that way.
 
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I love how people always count out regions like China, Korea, India, Russia, Brasil when it comes to gaming. Guess who is bigger than everyone else there? PC gaming. All those countries Americans and Western Europeans lump as "Other" are the future of gaming. And one thing is for sure: they do not like DRM boxes and walled gardens.
 
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