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Playstation Plus Premium Service announced [S-CONF]
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Meus Renaissance
Member
The ironic thing about Full Game trial is that renting games is as cheap as £3.50 a month here, and you keep it for as you like instead of just one hour. Although for people who don't know about the miracle of renting games, this will be a tempting offer.
I think what he's saying is that they were never free on the Xbox 360 originally whereas (in his opinion) Sony are monetizing things that have been free on PSN.
CryptiK said:
I think what he's saying is that they were never free on the Xbox 360 originally whereas (in his opinion) Sony are monetizing things that have been free on PSN.
KZObsessed
Member
I can't see any reason to spend money on this.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
chubigans said:You're missing the point. It's like Netflix, except you get to keep all the discs you order from their website...but once you're not a member, you have to send them all back and buy them if you want to continue watching them.
Well, that and Netflix decides to send which movies you're gonna get each month.
With Netflix you can stream or get any disc in their entire database. With the PSN plus do I have unlimited access o everything on PSN while I'm a subscriber?
CryptiK said:
Because people have no choice if they want to play MP? If XBL didn't have MP included in the price I wouldn't pay at all. Not even close.
CronosBlade
Member
Full Game Trial though, it mentions Blu Ray games. Obviously right now there's only a few on the store. So what, every retail game will be downloadable to play for 1hr?
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They're giving away LBP free if you sign up?
Downloadable? Or through the post?
After the rumour that it'd be only PSone games that would be given 'free' to PSN+ people, I think getting regular psn games or even games like WipeoutHD free (per the conference) is a nice surprise. 4 in total a month is pretty decent as long as they don't serve dregs.
Downloadable? Or through the post?
After the rumour that it'd be only PSone games that would be given 'free' to PSN+ people, I think getting regular psn games or even games like WipeoutHD free (per the conference) is a nice surprise. 4 in total a month is pretty decent as long as they don't serve dregs.
NullPointer
Member
Same here. I find the thought process behind this to be kind of insulting to tell you the truth. Its right up there with horse armor.KZObsessed said:
Give us money. Maybe later we'll figure out how to make it worthwhile.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Eventually Sony will have to figure out a way to get people to pay for online-play cause nobody is going to buy this nonsense.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Shogun PaiN said:
I heard some rumours that Sony opened up more memory resources for the XMB recently but it took them an eternity to even allow access of the XMB in-game. I think it could be a technical issue more so than a patent one
PetriP-TNT
Member
Meh, I don't know about this. It could pay off well (as I don't even have Wipeout HD yet, for example) but I don't see myself subscribing.
SolidusDave
Member
So good but it should be a standard firmware feature
NullPointer
Member
Don't mean to spam, but I just haven't gotten a handle on this at all.
But here's a clue Sony: Give us cross-game chat and a party system. Then we'll be all ears to whatever you have in mind.
Also, it would be a good thing to include some kind of MMO subscription details and how it relates to PSN+. Right now it seems like this service is just being tossed into the wild, without much thought or creativity behind it.
But here's a clue Sony: Give us cross-game chat and a party system. Then we'll be all ears to whatever you have in mind.
Also, it would be a good thing to include some kind of MMO subscription details and how it relates to PSN+. Right now it seems like this service is just being tossed into the wild, without much thought or creativity behind it.
makingmusic476
Member
I'm glad they're not charging for cross game chat (so it seems), but...
where the fuck is cross game chat???
They didn't talk about new firmware AT ALL during the conference. smh.
where the fuck is cross game chat???
They didn't talk about new firmware AT ALL during the conference. smh.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Don't care.
The big thing is that most people who pay for XBL are paying to play online. The little goodies are great, they help people resubscribe, they probably lower the threshold for subscription, but the main driver remains online play.
I already have online play on the PS3, so this doesn't add as much value. Also, many of the bullet points for PSN+ are things that are true or moot on the 360; for example, automatic game patches seems awesome on PS3, but on the 360 it'd be pretty much irrelevant. Qore being included makes sense, but the 360's video content (while not as substantial as Qore; Microsoft goes for lots of small videos rather than a few robust shows) is all free. Early demos are good, but the 360 has demos for all XBLA games, has similar leverage with third parties--so really the only advantage here is early demos for Sony 1st party titles.
The free games and shop discounts are both very unique points, but they're tough to value. Free games, even as a "rental" format, are a great idea--if the games they provide are great games. If they're poor games or the frequency of content goes down, not such a great idea. Shop discounts is strictly a mathematical thing; like Costco, if you save more than your membership costs, you win. If you save less than your membership costs, you lose.
I don't see any way I'd pay for this because of the above. As a multiconsole owner, I feel bad for Sony. They're offering me the reason why I pay Microsoft for free, and as a result I'm not going to pay them. That's a shitty catch 22, really, but I think it's going to be a reality for a lot of multiplatform owners.
The big thing is that most people who pay for XBL are paying to play online. The little goodies are great, they help people resubscribe, they probably lower the threshold for subscription, but the main driver remains online play.
I already have online play on the PS3, so this doesn't add as much value. Also, many of the bullet points for PSN+ are things that are true or moot on the 360; for example, automatic game patches seems awesome on PS3, but on the 360 it'd be pretty much irrelevant. Qore being included makes sense, but the 360's video content (while not as substantial as Qore; Microsoft goes for lots of small videos rather than a few robust shows) is all free. Early demos are good, but the 360 has demos for all XBLA games, has similar leverage with third parties--so really the only advantage here is early demos for Sony 1st party titles.
The free games and shop discounts are both very unique points, but they're tough to value. Free games, even as a "rental" format, are a great idea--if the games they provide are great games. If they're poor games or the frequency of content goes down, not such a great idea. Shop discounts is strictly a mathematical thing; like Costco, if you save more than your membership costs, you win. If you save less than your membership costs, you lose.
I don't see any way I'd pay for this because of the above. As a multiconsole owner, I feel bad for Sony. They're offering me the reason why I pay Microsoft for free, and as a result I'm not going to pay them. That's a shitty catch 22, really, but I think it's going to be a reality for a lot of multiplatform owners.
dreamer3kx
Member
Sony should've just added a psn subscription when ps3 launched, say $25 per year, half of what the 360 is.
If I heard correctly that you get Qore with your subscription then I don't think it's too bad of a deal. It's basically $25 for some 'free' games and access.
That said, I have little to no interest in any of the features other than auto-downloading and that isn't worth $50 a year to me. I'm optimistic about the fact that cross-game chat and invites weren't mentioned. That leads me to believe that they WON'T be PS+ plus-only features when/if they're implemented.
That said, I have little to no interest in any of the features other than auto-downloading and that isn't worth $50 a year to me. I'm optimistic about the fact that cross-game chat and invites weren't mentioned. That leads me to believe that they WON'T be PS+ plus-only features when/if they're implemented.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Chris_C said:
I touched on it in a previous comment. Right now there are two main online console services, Live and PSN. Both have a very similar release schedule of 3rd party content e.g. demos and Beta's (that are open to both consoles). When PSN+ states that subscribers will get early access to demos and beta's, there are two possible scenarios.
1. They have an agreement with developers to release demos and open beta's earlier for PSN+. I don't think that's feasible unless Sony tie up exclusivity rights like Microsoft did with MW2 DLC. But to have exclusivity rights for every demo and Beta access?
2. Or what is more likely, the current release schedule of betas and demos will be for PSN subscribers and hence those not paying will have the demos delayed, just like how it is for Silver members on Xbox Live. That seems fair enough but unlike Silver members, PS3 owners are losing out on something they've had for years to justify this premium service.
This is just what's being assumed right now
Stumpokapow said:
You know what would have been sweet? If they added a free rental of a HD movie each month. And you can keep the movie for a whole week. And for each month you don't rent, the consequent month will see you able to rent X amount of movies for the X amount of months you didn't
I'm confused. Why would you own anything granted to you during the sub after you cancel the sub? That defeats the purpose of subscribing.
Also, what does this mean? Do you have multiple PS3s to access saves from? I clearly don't understand what cloud save means here, I guess.
BeeDog said:
Also, what does this mean? Do you have multiple PS3s to access saves from? I clearly don't understand what cloud save means here, I guess.
ChronicleX
Banned
Another question is what if you start, stop then start again? When you start again will you get back the stuff from your first subscription? :lol
So far this sounds like "Onlive PS3". Here are lots of games, if you want to play them keep paying. You can stop paying at anytime but then you will no longer have access to all the things you have paid for so far.
What arbitrary silliness! :lol
So far this sounds like "Onlive PS3". Here are lots of games, if you want to play them keep paying. You can stop paying at anytime but then you will no longer have access to all the things you have paid for so far.
What arbitrary silliness! :lol
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
If PS2 BC managed to slip into PSN+ somehow I would be very pissed and out $50
magicaltrevor
Banned
Nightz said:
That would be great, but I really doubt it.
I have officially given up hope now.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
You guys are weird. You hate that you'd have to pay for cross-game chat when its a rumor, then you bitch when it isn't in?
Then you bitch even more because you get free games instead?
What?
edit: The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is paying for auto-updates. That should be free. Real talk.
Then you bitch even more because you get free games instead?
What?
edit: The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is paying for auto-updates. That should be free. Real talk.
XxBigP123xX
Member
Has enough value for me to consider it.
StealthGoblin
Banned
TTP said:
I've been told its going to be free and a lot of content was bumped from the conference. Gamescom should be interesting.
makingmusic476
Member
All the features are basically the ones mentioned by Joystiq in the rumor 2-3 weeks ago:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/25/rumor-sony-to-reveal-psnplus-subscription-service-at-e3-2010/
Everything but cross game chat, the PRP, cloud storage (which was said to be WIP in the rumor anyway), and the price.
When the hell will they give us cross game chat!? Hasn't it been working for like a year?
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/25/rumor-sony-to-reveal-psnplus-subscription-service-at-e3-2010/
Everything but cross game chat, the PRP, cloud storage (which was said to be WIP in the rumor anyway), and the price.
When the hell will they give us cross game chat!? Hasn't it been working for like a year?
MechDX said:
Pretty much, but most people don't have much foresight to see this. Sony, there was a reason I went with you this generation and not Microsoft, it doesn't appear that you understand your userbase. Not having to wait 20-30 minutes everytime I boot up my machine that random time to patch and update my OS and game isn't a 'payable' feature.
CronosBlade
Member
I need to go back to the conference video, but I swear it sounds like he said everyone got 3 months free. Instead the site say it is 3 months free with a paid year subscription.