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PokéBOMB: Pokémon X and Y for 3DS (Coming October 2013 WW) - Lord Fennekin Ascends

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Cromat

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DP and BW had an inflation of legendaries in general, but there's no way they'll be going back to just 5 or 6. They usually like to have one event Legendary every year, and now that they won't be leaked right after the main game release for the first time, there's no way they'll be dropping that idea. that by itself should mean around 10 legendaries by the end of the generation and that's if they cut down on the number of initial legendaries, which seems unlikely to me.

I mean, a trio and two legends, one per version, might sound good, but they'll need at least a third one for the third version or sequels. They also like to leave some legends for the post game. Gold and Silver just let the player get the other version's legend in a very high level, but the later games just had standalone legends for that purpose, and I don't see them going back on that.
I wouldn't mind legendaries if it weren't for the fact that all Gen 4 and 5 legendaries were terrible.
 

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I wouldn't mind legendaries if it weren't for the fact that all Gen 4 and 5 legendaries were terrible.
The problem was after 3rd gen, they strayed away from mythological and elementally powerful legendaries. We got these weird "gods" that turned into a DBZ-like pissing contest of how powerful can we depict these primal beasts...

I really want a return to more grounded mythological creatures than those strange esoteric entities.
 

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Ugh I hate this. Pokemon should not be trying to be "cool and edgy" in the DBZ/Yugi-oh/13 year old boy sense.

The older games were very lighthearted and didn't take themselves very seriously. They should scale back. The story should be about a young trainer striving to be a champion and catch them all, not about fighting teams bent on world domination or legendary GOD SPACE TIME JET PLANE legendaries.
As much as I'd love a more realistic spin-off of pokemon I'd also love it if the mainline games stopped with all the world domination stuff and focused more on the trainer and their life. Something more personal and human really but keeping it light hearted as you said.

And with an actual story line that didn't require beating any gyms.

All whilst being followed by your pokémon
And this.

Also you lot have made Golurk seem cool.
 
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As much as I'd love a more realistic spin-off of pokemon I'd also love it if the mainline games stopped with all the world domination stuff and focused more on the trainer and their life. Something more personal and human really but keeping it light hearted as you said.

And with an actual story line that didn't require beating any gyms.
I don't know if Game Freak will ever do something like this themselves, but I'd play something like a RGB gaiden with more focus on the trainer's life and such. Pokémon themselves have never really interested me; the human characters seem to have a lot of potential for story development, which I think has been under-utilized. I do wonder how one would make a side-story mainline game as mechanically-immersive as the main game. Maybe more focus on contests and side-events with greater complexity than in the main versions?
 

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Not out of the woods yet... now explain their names.
An object's name is not inherent to the object itself and is usually assigned by humans arbitrarily based upon numerous factors, such as physical resemblance to another thing.

'A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.'
 

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Who's to say the names are made by silly humans?

Also a friend of mine joked that Xerneas Almighty has candies growing out of its antlers.
 

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All the awards.

As much as I'd love a more realistic spin-off of pokemon I'd also love it if the mainline games stopped with all the world domination stuff and focused more on the trainer and their life. Something more personal and human really but keeping it light hearted as you said.

And with an actual story line that didn't require beating any gyms.
Yeah, I want it to focus more on trainer life. Possibly even have you Breed and EV train a certain pokemon to complete some in game event for challenge. I just feel so many of the mechanics are in the background, but there is not story mechanic that brings them into the for front. Perhaps they don't want to over complicate these games, but I would like a game that makes your part of a bigger trainer world.

Because as of now, the entire trainer world seems incompetent. Looking at you Youngster Joey...

I don't know if Game Freak will ever do something like this themselves, but I'd play something like a RGB gaiden with more focus on the trainer's life and such. Pokémon themselves have never really interested me; the human characters seem to have a lot of potential for story development, which I think has been under-utilized. I do wonder how one would make a side-story mainline game as mechanically-immersive as the main game. Maybe more focus on contests and side-events with greater complexity than in the main versions?
Well it has gotten better in Gev5 that is for sure. But I think they could still do better. I love how they added those visual novel like conversation. I think the series could learn a lot from Ace Attorney and Professor Layton. Or even Earthbound, how the world feels more realized.
 

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An object's name is not inherent to the object itself and is usually assigned by humans arbitrarily based upon numerous factors, such as physical resemblance to another thing.

'A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.'
Especially if they're still Vanilla! =D

But appearance would mean they'd lean towards "Ice Cream" more than the flavour.
So presumably, someone had licked one, and they are indeed vanilla flavoured and/or scented.

Therefore they are ice creams.
I am never serious
 

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injurai said:
The problem was after 3rd gen, they strayed away from mythological and elementally powerful legendaries. We got these weird "gods" that turned into a DBZ-like pissing contest of how powerful can we depict these primal beasts...

I really want a return to more grounded mythological creatures than those strange esoteric entities.
Agree completely. The whole "pokemon as deities" angle is terrible. Legendaries should just be rare pokemon with folk legends around them, or alternatively one a kind pokemon like Mewtwo. Arceus is probably the worst pokemon ever introduced. Completely overpowered, breaking the convention for the maximum base stat total being 680 and making Mewtwo, Groudon, Kyogre, Ho-oh and Lugia look cheap. Changing the type using an item might have been a cool idea for a relatively weak pokemon to make it viable and interesting, but for Arceus it's complete overkill. The story behind him being basically God is ridiculous and absurd, if he's God how the fuck can you catch in a little ball and make it do what you want?
And to top it all, it's ugly as shit.

Anyway, I'm really glad the bird and the stag legendaries look more like Ho-oh and Lugia than some space-ripping time-stopping iron fighter jet dinosaur.

Hey now, Victini, Heatran, Zekrom, Genesect and maybe Cobalion are cool.
Victini is fine, Heatran is great but I don't know if it's considered strictly legendary, Zekrom and Genesect are terrible sorry.
 

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I don't know if Game Freak will ever do something like this themselves, but I'd play something like a RGB gaiden with more focus on the trainer's life and such. Pokémon themselves have never really interested me; the human characters seem to have a lot of potential for story development, which I think has been under-utilized. I do wonder how one would make a side-story mainline game as mechanically-immersive as the main game. Maybe more focus on contests and side-events with greater complexity than in the main versions?
I love the Pokémon personally, it's just in the mainline games they seem pretty removed from the world itself. You don't really see electric types being used to power electricity grids or there being organisations protesting the increase in Grimer/Trubbish. You don't see warnings on TV about an increase of Tyranitar making sandstorms in the area worse.

It bugs me that Pokémon often have pokédex entries that have no real relation to the game. How come you never encounter Houndour in packs? Pokémon swarms should be integrated into the game from the offset.

And if there IS stuff like powerplant Pokémon it never has any gameplay impact. Why not make it so those things become sidequests? The powerplant needs more electric types! Go capture some.

Which would be a lot more engaging than just having one loooong main quest where you basically have to do everything in one specific order.


Yeah, I want it to focus more on trainer life. Possibly even have you Breed and EV train a certain pokemon to complete some in game event for challenge. I just feel so many of the mechanics are in the background, but there is not story mechanic that brings them into the for front.
Yeah this is very true. EVs should be taught somewhere, so why not a sidequest? I shouldn't've had to learn about them second hand two gens later from someone who is addicted to Smogon.
 
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I'll be checking with Bulbapedia cuz otherwise I wouldn't remember all names.

Azelf, Mesprit and Uxie are the laziest designs in all of Pokémon. Ugly, too.

Palkia looks like a gigantic dick in the most literal sense, but Dialga looks kinda cool. Giratina isn't nowhere near as cool as Dragon/Ghost should be. They're all way too busy.

Darkrai is trying too hard to be cool. What the fuck is Cresselia.

Manaphy is cool. Phione I guess.

Heatran is the least legendary of all.

What were they thinking with Regigigas.

Shaymin is cute but doesn't look like a legendary at all.

Arceus is pretty bosslike.

Victini is great.

The four horses are ugly as sin except for the green one.

The genies are cool, but not enough for it to be three different Pokémon. The pure Flying one was enough.

Reshiram is kinda ugly but Zekrom is cool. I think Kyurem is very cool and I love the fusions, but then again I liked Digimon.

Meloetta doesn't look like a legendary but is cool.

Genesect is an enormous missed opportunity.
 

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With a little more than 750 Pokémon and more than 600 moves that would make 450,000+ different animations. It's a bit much to hope for.
Not really.

If you plan things out correctly it's very doable for a company as big as Nintendo and GF. Not every Pokemon is unique in body shape so it's logical that there would be tons of overlap.
You also have to remember that not every Pokémon can learn each move. Also, some moves can be the same for all if them like sound-based ones.

It's still a pipedream though.
you could also group pokemon together on body types

pichu, pikachu, raichu, minun, pulsle would all share their animation sets.
this could be done with most of the pokemon in the game.
 

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if he's God how the fuck can you catch in a little ball and make it do what you want?
Officially, you can't. They had an event item programmed that would lead to a battle against Arceus, but they never officially released it. The only way to actually get Arceus is from events, so you never actually "capture" it in combat.

Anyway, I'm really glad the bird and the stag legendaries look more like Ho-oh and Lugia than some space-ripping time-stopping iron fighter jet dinosaur.
As much as you dislike the designs of the 5th gens though, they aren't like the 4th gen ones. 3rd gen had Pokemons creating continents and oceans, and 4th gen had time, space and creation itself, but fifth gen just has two pokemon creating an ancient kingdom. They weren't really trying to "top" previous legends by that point.

Speaking about the 5th gen, they left a big gap there with Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem all originally being a single Pokemon, but even in Black and White 2 fusing all three is impossible, just Kyurem and one of the others. We'll likely see their original completely combined form at some point...
 

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you could also group pokemon together on body types

pichu, pikachu, raichu, minun, pulsle would all share their animation sets.
this could be done with most of the pokemon in the game.
Well if they are animating, they have to create bone structures. To properly rig skeletons is a big task, so most games use two sets. Male and Female bone structures.

Having all those body types means 10-12 different rigs, + some uniquely handled cases.

It seems like a lot of work for them, but doable. I just hope we don't get things like premium cars in GT5.
 

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Yeah technically you never catch Arceus. It just decides to play with you mortals.

So is Stunfisk edible? We should make a which Pokemon is edible chart.

Victini is fine, Heatran is great but I don't know if it's considered strictly legendary, Zekrom and Genesect are terrible sorry.
Heatran is more of a once-encounter enemy than a true legendary anyway.

And I dunno, Genesect is a mecha bug and mecha in general are a-ok, and Zekrom is the least terrible of the duo, has pecs, and and has a mr. fusion ass.
 

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Agree completely. The whole "pokemon as deities" angle is terrible. Legendaries should just be rare pokemon with folk legends around them, or alternatively one a kind pokemon like Mewtwo.
I don't really mind the deities angle too much but they are WAY too easy to capture to actually seem like deities and have way too little effect on the world. Shouldn't there be an entire religion based around Arceus? Or Groundon/Kyogre? If they showed up in an area shouldn't that radically change pokemon society?

lol nope, just gunna capture them like an Oddish.

So yeah I prefer the folk legends stuff.
 

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I don't really mind the deities angle too much but they are WAY too easy to capture to actually seem like deities and have way too little effect on the world. Shouldn't there be an entire religion based around Arceus? Or Groundon/Kyogre? If they showed up in an area shouldn't that radically change pokemon society?

lol nope, just gunna capture them like an Oddish.

So yeah I prefer the folk legends stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEO1Lug25s
 

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He's cooking delicious jelly donuts.
That's why I always make my Onigiri with flour and strawberries. Thanks America.

I don't really mind the deities angle too much but they are WAY too easy to capture to actually seem like deities and have way too little effect on the world. Shouldn't there be an entire religion based around Arceus? Or Groundon/Kyogre? If they showed up in an area shouldn't that radically change pokemon society?

lol nope, just gunna capture them like an Oddish.

So yeah I prefer the folk legends stuff.
I'd actually prefer them as either "Bosses" or NPCs.
 

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Officially, you can't. They had an event item programmed that would lead to a battle against Arceus, but they never officially released it. The only way to actually get Arceus is from events, so you never actually "capture" it in combat.



As much as you dislike the designs of the 5th gens though, they aren't like the 4th gen ones. 3rd gen had Pokemons creating continents and oceans, and 4th gen had time, space and creation itself, but fifth gen just has two pokemon creating an ancient kingdom. They weren't really trying to "top" previous legends by that point.

Speaking about the 5th gen, they left a big gap there with Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem all originally being a single Pokemon, but even in Black and White 2 fusing all three is impossible, just Kyurem and one of the others. We'll likely see their original completely combined form at some point...
I agree Gen 4 is the worst offender, not Gen 5. But Zekrom and Reshiram look even worse than Gen IV's ones. Kyurem and his forms are also overdesigned crap.

Before people hate me, I'm not shitting on the new generations nor do I think (like many do) that Pokemon designs have gotten much worse. Gen 4/5 had a lot of great designs, but the legendaries were simply atrocious, both in design and in their backstory.
 

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First time I have seen them, looks like direct feed screenshots, not screencaps from the video.

You can clearly make out the blocky textures, this is 3DS not DS, the textures shouldn't be that blocky, 3DS can filter right?

Are these the only direct feed screens.
 

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I agree Gen 4 is the worst offender, not Gen 5. But Zekrom and Reshiram look even worse than Gen IV's ones. Kyurem and his forms are also overdesigned crap.

Before people hate me, I'm not shitting on the new generations nor do I think (like many do) that Pokemon designs have gotten much worse. Gen 4/5 had a lot of great designs, but the legendaries were simply atrocious, both in design and in their backstory.
No worries.

And it's generally agreed IV dropped the ball on legendaries anyways.

...I still can't figure out what the hell Cresselia is.

I don't really mind the deities angle too much but they are WAY too easy to capture to actually seem like deities and have way too little effect on the world. Shouldn't there be an entire religion based around Arceus? Or Groundon/Kyogre? If they showed up in an area shouldn't that radically change pokemon society?

lol nope, just gunna capture them like an Oddish.

So yeah I prefer the folk legends stuff.
Funny thing is that Arceus is nonexistent in the game save for one city where He is mentioned.

Also only IV has that gods thing. In V the dragon duo follows the mythology angle rather than gods.
 

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Funny thing is that Arceus is nonexistent in the game save for one city where He is mentioned.
It should really have a much bigger impact on the world than that (I like how you capitalised 'he').

Also only IV has that gods thing. In V the dragon duo follows the mythology angle rather than gods.
Ah well I've not really played V enough. I lost my White cart around the... third city, I think.
 
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