Graphics Horse
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I've seen arguments against this but they rely on pretending that downloading a forwards compatibility patch in 202X would be a step too far.
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Pokemon for Nintendo Switch given a release date of "2018 or Later"
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I've seen arguments against this but they rely on pretending that downloading a forwards compatibility patch in 202X would be a step too far.
I wouldn't expect that. Due to main games being on the same device now, it'd risk confusion
OrangeGrayBlue
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They're going from putting out Pokemon games on Gamecube-ish level hardware with a 240p screen to some rather capable machinery in The Switch, so I don't think they'd want to spoil the hype of what Pokemon games on Switch will look like by debuting with a remake. I would hope Nintendo/Game Freak are aware of how big a deal it is to finally be making a Pokemon game for a "home console" after fans have been imagining what it would be like since Red/Blue.
If anything, I'd imagine that we'd get out D/P remakes after Gen 8. It'd be kinda weird for the Switch's first set of mainline Pokémon games to be remakes.
The 3DS already got its remakes (OR/AS), plus you can still play D/P on the 3DS.
Nintendo still has Smash, Animal Crossing, & Fire Emblem to anchor 2018 if Pokémon Switch misses the 2018 holiday season. That's not even counting any potential new IPs that may drop next year.
Explain, it still makes no sense how a new generation can start next year.
I meant 2 years between US/UM & Gen 8, not between Sun/Moon & Gen 8. I specified that in the post when I said "end of Gen 7".
Ash still only has 4 pokemon, none of them have evolved. So you guys think by this time next year the whole region will have been wrapped up.
Also you guy think that they took 2015 off, follow up with a new gen in 2016, updated versions of those games in 2017, and then a new gen in 2018. Oh and also the new gen will be their first time on a console. That doesn't even sound realistic from a game development perspective.
Also you guy think that they took 2015 off, follow up with a new gen in 2016, updated versions of those games in 2017, and then a new gen in 2018. Oh and also the new gen will be their first time on a console. That doesn't even sound realistic from a game development perspective.
Again, I was referring to US/UM in 2017, a year break, & then Gen 8 in 2019.
My post was in general to everybody that thinks this game will come out in 2018.
The Shadow Knight
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I wouldn't mind something like this myself.
The meltdowns would be of epic proportions though.
That's on you for buying a new console for an unannounced game.
Is that really going to be able to carry them through the christmas period? Animal crossing maybe but Mario Maker? That's not in the same league as Pokemon, Smash, 3D Mario, Mario Kart of Zelda in terms of selling power. Surely? If Pokemon is skipping 2018 they need some true mega hits. Smash Brothers level.
I kinda feel like Smash is nearly ready to roll but, between ARMS and Pokken, they think the fighting genre is a little crowded right now and want to give it some breathing room. I mean I can't see ARMS surviving long once Smash arrives on Switch...
They said "over a year"at E3 in June. November 2018 would be a year and a half (ish) since that time. That is, as I'm sure you've spotted, "more than a year". November 2019 would be 2 and a half years.
I'm not sure they give a shit about fan outrage following USM being 3DS exclusive. I don't really see why they would have announced it if it was still 2 and a half years away. I think they're aiming for November 2018 but have given themselves some breathing room to allow it to slip to Spring 2019 if needed.
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That's just a rumor at this time.
I guess the course creator only works in handheld mode. Or while it wouldn't be optimal, pointer controls would work.
Thats why I would release Mario Maker alongside a new Animal Crossing or another big first party game. Mario Maker is a strange one as they can't remove anything from it they can only expand on the original so unless they add a ton of new features it will probably feel like a deluxe version
Mario Maker was really popular though, Incan easily see it being a huge success on Switch
ZombiePlatypus
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I'd personally be happy if it was still 3 to 4 years off, but in return it's leap or upgrade for the series ends up feeling as monumentous as BotW did.
I do think that, if Pokemon skips 2018 (and Metroid isn't coming out next year. No way), they are looking a little light on serious, "s-tier" franchises for 2018. I mean this year we had Zelda, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Splatoon 2 and ARMS. While ARMS is never going to sell like Zelda or Mario, it's still being developed by the Mario Kart team and is a big, "AAA" Nintendo exclusive.
For 2018, in terms of those big "AAA" Nintendo exclusive games we've maybe got Animal Crossing (has anything even been announced for that yet?) and.... Fire Emblem? Yoshi and Kirby aren't what I would consider real "s-tier" franchises in the same vein as Pokemon or Zelda. Smash is still very much up in the air right now - we don't know what it is (Smash 4 redux? Smash 5?) and have heard absolutely bugger all in terms of real information from Nintendo. For all we know Smash 4 redux was just another rumour in the vein of Pokemon Stars being switch exclusive and coming out this year.
Pokemon would be an excellent grab for Nintendo in 2018 - if they have Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Smash, Yoshi, Kirby and Fire Emblem, along with whatever Platinum Games is cooking, that will be a decent spread of Nintendo exclusives. This is why I said earlier that Nintendo have got a vested interest in getting it made: it's arguably their biggest "exclusive" franchise in terms of selling power - the attach rates for a Pokemon RPG on Switch will be absolutely ridiculous, mark my words. Combine Pokemon with Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem and hopefully more 3rd party stuff and you've got a decent looking 2018.
Without Pokemon it's looking a little sparse AT THE MOMENT. Obviously there could be a hell of a lot more coming in 2018 which they haven't told us about yet.
For 2018, in terms of those big "AAA" Nintendo exclusive games we've maybe got Animal Crossing (has anything even been announced for that yet?) and.... Fire Emblem? Yoshi and Kirby aren't what I would consider real "s-tier" franchises in the same vein as Pokemon or Zelda. Smash is still very much up in the air right now - we don't know what it is (Smash 4 redux? Smash 5?) and have heard absolutely bugger all in terms of real information from Nintendo. For all we know Smash 4 redux was just another rumour in the vein of Pokemon Stars being switch exclusive and coming out this year.
Pokemon would be an excellent grab for Nintendo in 2018 - if they have Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Smash, Yoshi, Kirby and Fire Emblem, along with whatever Platinum Games is cooking, that will be a decent spread of Nintendo exclusives. This is why I said earlier that Nintendo have got a vested interest in getting it made: it's arguably their biggest "exclusive" franchise in terms of selling power - the attach rates for a Pokemon RPG on Switch will be absolutely ridiculous, mark my words. Combine Pokemon with Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem and hopefully more 3rd party stuff and you've got a decent looking 2018.
Without Pokemon it's looking a little sparse AT THE MOMENT. Obviously there could be a hell of a lot more coming in 2018 which they haven't told us about yet.
OrangeGrayBlue
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People will buy the system for Pokemon regardless, so as long as supply has been sorted out I don't see why it matters what the install base is when the game releases.
This ^.
I sometimes wonder if people realise what a juggernaut these games are in terms of sales - Sun and Moon, in 2 MONTHS, sold only slightly less copies than Battlefield 3 did in 5 years. They've now sold more copies than Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (not including the remaster though, not sure about that) in less than 1 year.
The thing is absolutely, balls to the wall insane in terms of it's ability to sell both software and hardware. Nintendo will 100% want it on Switch as soon as humanly possible, as long as they can get their supply chains sorted out. A Pokemon title around Christmas will mean they will sell every Switch they put on the shelves, almost no matter how many they produce.
Pokemaniac
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Leading with a remake would be at odds with Game Freak's normal development model where major engine changes are synced with new generations.
It also probably wouldn't be particularly easier to develop than a new generation. The general designs of things would already be set, sure, but Diamond and Pearl aren't particularly conducive to direct ports to modern versions of the Pokémon engine. A bunch of aspects of those games (such as the Underground, the many HMs, the Pokétch) kind of rely on stuff that's been deemphasized or removed in more recent games.
It seems like a lot of work to avoid a problem that will likely be already solved by the time the game releases, and would create new problems by lessening the impact of the real new games.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Yeah, it seems like the kind of game that should be used to build an install base more quickly and keep momentum going. The sweet spot for Pokemon is exactly the point where they have enough supply to keep up with the people who will buy a Switch to play the game, and not a day later. If anything, it wouldn't be terrible if stock was hard to find again for a week or two. But what you don't want is for the game to come when the Switch is three years old and every 3rd party out there has already decided which games, if any, they feel are ever worth bringing to the system.
Swap Animal Crossing & Smash and I'd agree. Maybe stick FE earlier in the year if it's ready.