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Pokemon Movie Franchise Reaches Cumulative 70 million+ Admissions in Japan

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The decline being talked about in this thread happened way before YW and Gen 6. Based on what I've seen things just went crazy during 4th gen due to the DS and after that generation there has been decline.

I want to say every generation has sold less copies than the previous one if you exclude Gen IV, which might slightly match up with every Nintendo handheld selling less units than the previous one if you exclude the DS. I could be misremembering the sales numbers for a few entries, though.
 

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Which of the 18 movies are the good ones?

Saves me making a thread in the future

A couple months back I set out to amend the fact I'd only ever seen the first two films and watched them all up to the Kyurem movie minus Zoroark, and frankly I thought they were all awful; they're formulaic as hell, there's too much characters bumbling around mistaken for world building, movies cannibalize each other constantly (the Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, and Shaymin movies are all pretty much the same damn story), and practically all of them end in a huge calamity that's resolved by somebody hitting a magic reset button so everything goes back to the way it was at the beginning of the film, rendering the whole thing pointless. Bonus points awarded to films where the characters are told a legend of a disaster that a Pokemon averted in the past, and the "hell breaks loose/magic reset button" moment is the exact same thing happening.

That said, I thought the Deoxys and Arceus movies were the least terrible (at least the characters accomplish something in them) and I will admit the Giratina/Shaymin one was mildly entertaining when it focused on Giratina. Unfortunately for that film, it focuses more on Shaymin who is one obnoxious character.

And as bad as they all were, I can still name the Manaphy one as the worst of them all. That movie just would not end.
 

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The decline being talked about in this thread happened way before YW and Gen 6. Based on what I've seen things just went crazy during 4th gen due to the DS and after that generation there has been decline.

Every new main entry have always sold upwards of 5 million + in Japan:

Pokemon White/Black have shipments of 5.7 million

Pokemon X/Y have shipments of 4.45 million

Yokai Watch was definitely a contributor to the contraction of software sales in Japan.

Pokemon X/Y has maintained Pokemon's overseas sales performance experienced from Pokemon White/Black during the DS era.

Gen 6 under-performance is directly attributed to the decline experienced in Japan - Yokai Watch's sudden rise of popularity changed the market completely.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/150507_4e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140508e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120427e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110426e.pdf
 

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Which of the 18 movies are the good ones?

Saves me making a thread in the future

Pokémon movies are very ymmv. For what it's worth my personal favorites are the Arceus, Keldeo, Lucario, and Zorua ones but I'd recommend just watching the ones that most interest you. I don't really think there any outright "bad" ones (aside from the dubs of the first few).

Its too late now, but I wonder if they should've taken the Yu-Gi-Oh route and just changed the protagonist to the one from the new game every other season. That way the "reset" would make more sense, and you could have a protagonist with a unique character without having to ruin an established one...
I also think the show would be more interesting if they changed protagonists every generation like Pokémon Special does, but I understand why they keep Satoshi and Pikachu around, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a little bit of an attachment to them.
 

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So what changed in tone from the past finance thread (2 months ago) to this one?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041712

Maybe it's just the lead-in post that determines the general emotional direction of the thread, who knows.


edit: Favorite movie is the Lucario one. I tend to ignore most non-game Pokemedia though, including the anime post-Veronica Taylor.
 

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So what changed in tone from the past finance thread (2 months ago) to this one?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041712

Maybe it's just the lead-in post that determines the general emotional direction of the thread, who knows.

The Pokemon brand is doing phenomenally well in the overseas market.

The overseas growth was greater than the decline experienced in Pokemon's native country Japan due to stiff competition, mostly Yokai Watch.

Example: Pokemon TCG sales were up 50% in many European countries, Pokemon resurgence in India, etc.
 

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Every new main entry have always sold upwards of 5 million + in Japan:

Pokemon White/Black have shipments of 5.7 million

Pokemon X/Y have shipments of 4.45 million

Yokai Watch was definitely a contributor to the contraction of software sales in Japan.

Pokemon X/Y has maintained Pokemon's overseas sales performance experienced from Pokemon White/Black during the DS era.

Gen 6 under-performance is directly attributed to the decline experienced in Japan - Yokai Watch's sudden rise of popularity changed the market completely.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/150507_4e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140508e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120427e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110426e.pdf

For the games sure, but the anime and movies being discussed in this thread were in decline way before that.
 

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Almost all of them have the same plot.
-Ash and friends on a journey through x region
-Either a Pokemon or human is in trouble
-Ash befriends them
-Legendary Pokemon of the movie appears
-Ash and friends do something about it
-The day is saved and Ash and friends go back on their journey

Or something like that. They're okay though.
 

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A couple months back I set out to amend the fact I'd only ever seen the first two films and watched them all up to the Kyurem movie minus Zoroark, and frankly I thought they were all awful; they're formulaic as hell, there's too much characters bumbling around mistaken for world building, movies cannibalize each other constantly (the Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, and Shaymin movies are all pretty much the same damn story), and practically all of them end in a huge calamity that's resolved by somebody hitting a magic reset button so everything goes back to the way it was at the beginning of the film, rendering the whole thing pointless. Bonus points awarded to films where the characters are told a legend of a disaster that a Pokemon averted in the past, and the "hell breaks loose/magic reset button" moment is the exact same thing happening.

That said, I thought the Deoxys and Arceus movies were the least terrible (at least the characters accomplish something in them) and I will admit the Giratina/Shaymin one was mildly entertaining when it focused on Giratina. Unfortunately for that film, it focuses more on Shaymin who is one obnoxious character.

And as bad as they all were, I can still name the Manaphy one as the worst of them all. That movie just would not end.

You skipped one of the best ones. You really need to go back and watch that one.
 

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You're right about the hype. I had a Chespin avatar in those days.

What a crazy world it was.
That's because Chespin is awesome!
(I have a specially commissioned Chespin avatar on my external drive I used for maybe a month, ha)

Personally, Pokemon 2000 is my favorite. The first three films are a blast, as is Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew.
The Arceus movie is my all time favorite, I really like the story for that one.
The 8th and 13th are probably the best, but I'd say most of them are good enough to watch. The only ones I remember being really bored of were the 14th and 16th (disclaimer: I haven't seen the 17th movie, and it's been a long time since I last saw some of them).

Also, if you can find it, they made an awesome sequel to the first movie called "Mewtwo Returns"
A couple months back I set out to amend the fact I'd only ever seen the first two films and watched them all up to the Kyurem movie minus Zoroark, and frankly I thought they were all awful; they're formulaic as hell, there's too much characters bumbling around mistaken for world building, movies cannibalize each other constantly (the Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, and Shaymin movies are all pretty much the same damn story), and practically all of them end in a huge calamity that's resolved by somebody hitting a magic reset button so everything goes back to the way it was at the beginning of the film, rendering the whole thing pointless. Bonus points awarded to films where the characters are told a legend of a disaster that a Pokemon averted in the past, and the "hell breaks loose/magic reset button" moment is the exact same thing happening.

That said, I thought the Deoxys and Arceus movies were the least terrible (at least the characters accomplish something in them) and I will admit the Giratina/Shaymin one was mildly entertaining when it focused on Giratina. Unfortunately for that film, it focuses more on Shaymin who is one obnoxious character.

And as bad as they all were, I can still name the Manaphy one as the worst of them all. That movie just would not end.
Pokémon movies are very ymmv. For what it's worth my personal favorites are the Arceus, Keldeo, Lucario, and Zorua ones but I'd recommend just watching the ones that most interest you. I don't really think there any outright "bad" ones (aside from the dubs of the first few).
Thanks guys! Only seen the first movie once long ago, but I remember it really not doing anything for me even back then. Guess I'll just check some of the later ones instead (if ImaLemming's post is anything to go by, probably a drunk B-movie night with friends :V ).
 

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The anime just needs some god damn progression.

I think most folks, including kids, may indeed be getting tired of this formula where it's Ash, getting badges, cherry-picks Pokemon as opposed to catching them all (like he was supposed to be doing...), reaching the league, losing said league, restart with another group of folks, almost never carrying over from a previous region, etc.

It's so overdone.

Ash needs to age, he needs to get back that thirst for filling that thing called a Pokedex, he needs to WIN leagues. Finish his story and pass the torch to another, or at least bring back fan fav characters and don't toss them in the garbage every time the region finishes.

And STOP releasing Pokemon that actually have a personality and are good. :/

And remember you have a god damn Pidgeot, who I swear by now is just plain miserable and lost his mind after being abandoned for nearly two decades with a broken promise of being seen again.

You do realise that since 1999, Ash has only released one Pokémon, and for all we know he'll come back at the league, right?

There also is progression.

I also dislike why people make this complaint about Ash "not aging", when it's a well known and used trope in long running animated series.


I thunk a lot of the decline is attributable to X/Y being lackluster.
Megas just don't cut it, I think completely new Pokemon are necessary.

Alpha Sapphire is about in-line with Fire Red, but X/Y is way behind everything else.
It's probably not getting back to DS days ever again, but GBA numbers should still be attainable if they don't bank on nostalgia again.

I'm talking about the games, but this is also attributable to the franchise at large.

You may have had a point, if the games were lagging. However, they're not.

Every new main entry have always sold upwards of 5 million + in Japan:

Pokemon White/Black have shipments of 5.7 million

Pokemon X/Y have shipments of 4.45 million

Yokai Watch was definitely a contributor to the contraction of software sales in Japan.

Pokemon X/Y has maintained Pokemon's overseas sales performance experienced from Pokemon White/Black during the DS era.

Gen 6 under-performance is directly attributed to the decline experienced in Japan - Yokai Watch's sudden rise of popularity changed the market completely.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/150507_4e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140508e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120427e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110426e.pdf

Black and White are 5 years old

X & Y are barely 2 years old.

It tires me when people compare data like this. A more logical comparison would be to how it was at this point in its life. Come on man, you know this :p
 

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Black and White are 5 years old

X & Y are barely 2 years old.

It tires me when people compare data like this. A more logical comparison would be to how it was at this point in its life. Come on man, you know this :p

Joe, Pokemon XY sold 90k in Japan from April 2014-March 2015.

It ain't going to sell a million + copies in another five years :p
 

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Joe, Pokemon XY sold 90k in Japan from April 2014-March 2015.

It ain't going to sell a million + copies in another five years :p

Not with that attitude :p

Seriously though. I said when they announced it that announcing and releasing ORAS so early was going to dent the sales. I think it's less to do with "OMG THE MARKET HAS LEFT" and more to do with them cannibalising their own sales. They should have had the year off in 2014 rather than 2015. Though realistically it's a combination of things (including the Japanese gaming market as a whole). However, it is not them losing the market or any of the hyperbolic things stated in this thread.

Also, we shouldn't forget the period in 2014 when it was given free if you bought a 3DS LL. Pretty sure those aren't counted
 

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Black and White are 5 years old

X & Y are barely 2 years old.

It tires me when people compare data like this. A more logical comparison would be to how it was at this point in its life. Come on man, you know this :p
Black and White had shipped over 5 million in Japan by the end of 2010. X and Y are nowhere near, and probably won't be any time soon.

This is not an irreversible shift, and TPC has been in a similar position, but they need to come out roaring to the Yo-Kai Watch challenge. Pokemon's status as the king of Japanese sales is not something that they can be complacent about any more, and they need to put together a compelling offering going forwards.
Seriously though. I said when they announced it that announcing and releasing ORAS so early was going to dent the sales.
The damage was done before that, though.
 

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Black and White had shipped over 5 million in Japan by the end of 2010. X and Y are nowhere near, and probably won't be any time soon.

This is not an irreversible shift, and TPC has been in a similar position, but they need to come out roaring to the Yo-Kai Watch challenge. Pokemon's status as the king of Japanese sales is not something that they can be complacent about any more, and they need to put together a compelling offering going forwards.

It's not just the Yo-kai Watch that has had an "impact". Don't forget the Japanese gaming industry is in tatters right now. Nothing sells well, even things with legs sell less than they would have done 5 years ago
 

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Every new main entry have always sold upwards of 5 million + in Japan:

Pokemon White/Black have shipments of 5.7 million

Pokemon X/Y have shipments of 4.45 million

Yokai Watch was definitely a contributor to the contraction of software sales in Japan.

Pokemon X/Y has maintained Pokemon's overseas sales performance experienced from Pokemon White/Black during the DS era.

Gen 6 under-performance is directly attributed to the decline experienced in Japan - Yokai Watch's sudden rise of popularity changed the market completely.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/150507_4e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140508e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120427e.pdf
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110426e.pdf
because one was on the ds, and one was on the 3ds. there is a 10 million difference between the two, that is very large. games sell to how many systems have been sold
 

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Black and White had shipped over 5 million in Japan by the end of 2010. X and Y are nowhere near, and probably won't be any time soon.

This is not an irreversible shift, and TPC has been in a similar position, but they need to come out roaring to the Yo-Kai Watch challenge. Pokemon's status as the king of Japanese sales is not something that they can be complacent about any more, and they need to put together a compelling offering going forwards.

Preach!



because one was on the ds, and one was on the 3ds. there is a 10 million difference between the two, that is very large. games sell to how many systems have been sold

And yet the overseas performance did not see a decline from the lack of install base.
 

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The hoopa movie is legit too, I saw it on opening day. I bought a second prebook ticket originally to farm hoopa (and another Arceus and also event Dialga), but since the movie was hype, it might be a little hard for me to farm.
 

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The hoopa movie is legit too, I saw it on opening day. I bought a second prebook ticket originally to farm hoopa (and another Arceus and also event Dialga), but since the movie was hype, it might be a little hard for me to farm.

Lupinko! I was waiting for you to comment, how was the film?

I didn't enjoy Diancee that much, better?
 

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Preach!





And yet the overseas performance did not see a decline from the lack of install base.
o_O it did though im 99.9 % sure x and y sold less in the states than black and white, nothing wrong with that, it wasn't that far off and its install base is just incredible, but it did sell less because it was on the 3ds and not the ds.
 

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Black and White had shipped over 5 million in Japan by the end of 2010. X and Y are nowhere near, and probably won't be any time soon.

This is not an irreversible shift, and TPC has been in a similar position, but they need to come out roaring to the Yo-Kai Watch challenge. Pokemon's status as the king of Japanese sales is not something that they can be complacent about any more, and they need to put together a compelling offering going forwards.

The damage was done before that, though.

When you consider the YW audience I don't really think its the games that are the problem unless you think they need to go even younger, which I'm not sure they would do. If they were to change something I would expect it to be other parts of the brand.
 

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o_O it did though im 99.9 % sure x and y sold less in the states than black and white, nothing wrong with that, it wasn't that far off and its install base is just incredible, but it did sell less because it was on the 3ds and not the ds.

Overseas results after two fiscal years:

Pokemon XY - 9.39 million
Pokemon Black White - 9.21 million

It's up! Look at that, with a lesser install base :p

You can't just ignore the fact that the Japanese gaming market has shifted in a very bad way though.

C'mon Joe :p

The competition currently in the kid's space is now shared with two as oppose to the monopoly Pokemon previously had.

There is a disturbance in the force. And it's up to TPC to tackle the challenge head-on - they've done it before.
 

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C'mon Joe :p

The competition currently in the kid's space is now shared with two as oppose to the monopoly Pokemon previously had.

There is a disturbance in the force. And it's up to TPC to tackle the challenge head-on - they've done it before.

It's also shared by the mobile market that has utterly decimated the dedicated gaming industry. You can't ignore that to make your narrative. I'm not saying that Yo-kai Watch hasn't had an impact, I'm saying that the impact is a combination of factors.

Yo-kai Watch doesn't have the longevity of Pokémon. Yo-kai Watch 2 dropped out of the charts a couple of months ago while ORAS and periodically X & Y are still strong in it. You have to consider all factors in before making such a determination.
 

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It's not just the Yo-kai Watch that has had an "impact". Don't forget the Japanese gaming industry is in tatters right now. Nothing sells well, even things with legs sell less than they would have done 5 years ago

This is not true. The DS didn't have such a huge third-party hit as Yo-kai Watch, which sold 5m+ with the second entry across 3 versions. Also, 3DS itself showed how some IPs could grow or be stable across generations: Animal Crossing is a clear example. Furthermore, the growth Pokémon saw GBA->DS is not comparable to the drop the IP saw DS->3DS.

Not with that attitude :p

Seriously though. I said when they announced it that announcing and releasing ORAS so early was going to dent the sales. I think it's less to do with "OMG THE MARKET HAS LEFT" and more to do with them cannibalising their own sales. They should have had the year off in 2014 rather than 2015. Though realistically it's a combination of things (including the Japanese gaming market as a whole). However, it is not them losing the market or any of the hyperbolic things stated in this thread.

Also, we shouldn't forget the period in 2014 when it was given free if you bought a 3DS LL. Pretty sure those aren't counted

XY is not going to sell much more in the future given how it dropped during the past fiscal year; it is not going to reach the 5m mark anytime soon.

ORAS is also lagging behind to HGSS; right now, it is a million apart, but it is also way behind if we consider the same timeframe. HGSS was around 3.7m after 8 months in the market; ORAS is below 3m.
 

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This is not true. The DS didn't have such a huge third-party hit as Yo-kai Watch, which sold 5m+ with the second entry across 3 versions. Also, 3DS itself showed how some IPs could grow or be stable across generations: Animal Crossing is a clear example. Furthermore, the growth Pokémon saw GBA->DS is not comparable to the drop the IP saw DS->3DS.

You can't just look at one game and decide that the market isn't in tatters. Seriously, look at the charts nowadays. Look at how low everything is in general and has been all year.
 

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It's also shared by the mobile market that has utterly decimated the dedicated gaming industry. You can't ignore that to make your narrative. I'm not saying that Yo-kai Watch hasn't had an impact, I'm saying that the impact is a combination of factors.

Yo-kai Watch doesn't have the longevity of Pokémon. Yo-kai Watch 2 dropped out of the charts a couple of months ago while ORAS and periodically X & Y are still strong in it. You have to consider all factors in before making such a determination.

Joe I love you man, but I gave you everything you needed to make an assessment that Yokai Watch has indeed challenged a market where Pokemon reigned king - it now shares that crown with somebody else currently and there is nothing wrong with that.

It's up to TPC to take that challenge head-on and continue to innovate within that space.

 

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Joe I love you man, but I gave you everything you needed to make an assessment that Yokai Watch has indeed challenged a market where Pokemon reigned king - it now shares that crown with somebody else currently and there is nothing wrong with that.

It's up to TPC to take that challenge head-on and continue to innovate within that space.


I'm not saying it hasn't altered things, I'm saying that you need to consider everything to make your assertions. It's not just YW that has had an impact.
 

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You can't just look at one game and decide that the market isn't in tatters. Seriously, look at the charts nowadays. Look at how low everything is in general and has been all year.

The 3DS software market is very much not in tatters though. Especially for the megahit titles.
 

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You can't just look at one game and decide that the market isn't in tatters. Seriously, look at the charts nowadays. Look at how low everything is in general and has been all year.

Well, YW just showed how the market for this type of games in a dedicated gaming environment has not declined. Pokémon + YW accounts for more unit wrt Pokémon itself during the DS-era (and clones were not as relevant back then - there was DQM Joker but that's it).

While there are some IPs that decreased a lot (e.g. NSMB), some others have increased (Mario 3D, AC), and some were flat or decreased by not so much (MK, MH). Pokémon decreased a lot because the mainline game (which is typically the strongest entry) sold more than A MILLION units less than the previous two generations - and even less than the third generation, that was the weakest one on a weaker hardware wrt 3DS; the interest for the game is right now really low - it is true that ORAS was a bit early but XY sold really bad last year, before ORAS was even announced.

No, it's still in tatters for megahit titles, while they do sell a lot, they don't have the legs they used to. It's wrong to think there has been no impact.

This is simply outright false. New Leaf is having better legs than Wild Word, and MK7 is having the same sort of legs MKDS had.
 

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Overseas results after two fiscal years:

Pokemon XY - 9.39 million
Pokemon Black White - 9.21 million

It's up! Look at that, with a lesser install base :p



C'mon Joe :p

The competition currently in the kid's space is now shared with two as oppose to the monopoly Pokemon previously had.

There is a disturbance in the force. And it's up to TPC to tackle the challenge head-on - they've done it before.
oh your talking all of em, not just the united states my bad :p

But still, dont know why europe loved x and y so much(because for some reason they did), but the united states numbers are down for the install base reason. And if we compare it to diamond and pearl, the numbers are down for the european market as well. these are large reasons

The watch games coming into the playing field has defiantly made things interesting though, but their problem is too much market saturation. and whats funny is i dont think pokemon has Enough market saturation. two completely opposite problems for both franchises. lol
 

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I thought the Hoopa movie was pretty good ngl.

Happy to hear, a couple of people I know saw it as well and said they were pleasantly surprised given the poor showing of Diancee.
 

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No, it's still in tatters for megahit titles, while they do sell a lot, they don't have the legs they used to. It's wrong to think there has been no impact.

Lol nope. The 3DS has a bunch of software records including most multimillion sellers in a six(?) month period and some games have had really strong legs.

NSMB and Pokemon are the two big megahits that have suffered and both have new competition from arguably more ambitious software(3D Mario and Yokai Watch).
 

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Happy to hear, a couple of people I know saw it as well and said they were pleasantly surprised given the poor showing of Diancee.

Comparison my friends have made is that the movie is akin to that of kaiju movies

Lol nope. The 3DS has a bunch of software records including most multimillion sellers in a six(?) month period and some games have had really strong legs.

NSMB and Pokemon are the two big megahits that have suffered and both have new competition from arguably more ambitious software(3D Mario and Yokai Watch).

You're looking at a handful of examples and ignoring the overall market. You can't do that when making statements about the market. Yes, a couple of the hits have done well, but the market is still bad right now.
 

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Comparison my friends have made is that the movie is akin to that of kaiju movies.

Heard that as well!

Apparently the visuals are nice to boot. I'm actually looking forward to watching it when it comes out here.
 

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Interesting... but I guess that's inevitable that he gets "reset", even if they seemingly went too far with Unova.

Its too late now, but I wonder if they should've taken the Yu-Gi-Oh route and just changed the protagonist to the one from the new game every other season. That way the "reset" would make more sense, and you could have a protagonist with a unique character without having to ruin an established one...

They still can do this though.
Have Ash win the Kalos Pokemon League, and then replace him with another MC next Season. If the ratings are not that well have Ash return later in the Season as the Mentor of the new MC.

It's never too late to try something new! :)
 
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Great.

Now release some more of them on DVD in the UK, please.

This. I've got a 13 of them. Missing:

2005: Lucario & The Mystery of Mew
2006: Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea
2013: Genesect & The Legend of Awakened
2014: Diancie & The Cocoon of Destruction
2015: Hoopa & The Clash of Ages
 

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Pokémon: Mewtwo versus Mew is the first film I ever saw in cinema I believe.

Also have the film on VHS and loved the film as a kid.



I am apathetic towards the other Pokémon films though.
 

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I read that there is a much positive reception of this film and they are hoping that the legs of this film would be good.

Anyway for those not in the hear, I really suggest watching XY (subbed). This is coming from someone who hated the anime. Holy shit XY is just so good.

Also Hoopa movie has so much Christian symbolism it's so hilarious lol
 
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The original TV series on DVD or blu-ray in the Uk would be nice, too - if it's not happened already. I used to watch it on SMTV back in the day. LOL!