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Pokemon Sun/Moon Leak Discussion Thread
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Or they learned and will actually do them via patches
BassForever
Member
Or GF considers the UB's to count as part of this gen's legendary pokemon.
SliceSabre
Banned
I'm ok with all those pokemon leaked except Dugtrio and Garfield Persian. God they are just so fucking BAD.
Charlie0108
Member
I hated the fact that Kalos has so few new Pokemon at first but in reflection I don't really think it's that bad a thing. I got to use the majority of the Dex before the generation was over, something I've never done before, and honestly that was pretty fun.
I like a lot of the new Pokemon revealed here, but the Alolan forms are pretty bad, especially Persian and Dugtrio. Do we know what type Dugtrio is yet?
Also, these are the best starters since Gen IV and the third best overall. Oh, and Wimpod's evolution is one of the best Pokemon ever made.
I like a lot of the new Pokemon revealed here, but the Alolan forms are pretty bad, especially Persian and Dugtrio. Do we know what type Dugtrio is yet?
Also, these are the best starters since Gen IV and the third best overall. Oh, and Wimpod's evolution is one of the best Pokemon ever made.
Probably. If they do then this Gen will beat out Gen 4 for the title of Gen with the most legendaries.
Icelandic_Jazz
Member
I like almost all Pokemon designs but Alolan Persian looks like it was deliberately designed to be god awful.
Yeah. We could have gotten a cool Dark/Psychic panther but instead we get Garfield on a diet.
Pretty much, which is why they're before the Mythicals in numbering
Are there any from previous gens included that don't have Alola forms? This would seem to be a small number of Pokemon total if this is an Alola Region Dex without previous gens.
Not sure where people are getting info, so sorry for asking something that may seem like a straightforward answer.
DecoReturns
Member
It's going to be nice to finally be able to pick a fire type starter since Gen 3. Was getting tired of water.
No disrespect to your favorites, but I haven't liked a fire starter since Torchic. But please don't be Fire/Fighting. First time was awesome, second was "well alright". Third time...
No disrespect to your favorites, but I haven't liked a fire starter since Torchic. But please don't be Fire/Fighting. First time was awesome, second was "well alright". Third time...
Blackquill
Member
People are right about the amount of Pokemon not really being a problem.
The real problem is the fact that they revealed almost everything one month before launch
(and no new mega is disappointing hope the old ones get some changes like kangaskhan)
The real problem is the fact that they revealed almost everything one month before launch
(and no new mega is disappointing hope the old ones get some changes like kangaskhan)
Demo's up in Europe, downloading at the moment
Still isn't up in the UK.
MrCookiepants
Member
lol, 96 new mons is literally single digits off of gen 2 numbers and people are still having meltdowns.
Think about how massively bloated the dex is already and how daunting it is for newcomers. Think about how this franchise needs to last another 10 years at the very least. Put a fucking rational thought in your brain before demanding 150 new Pokemon every few years pls.
Think about how massively bloated the dex is already and how daunting it is for newcomers. Think about how this franchise needs to last another 10 years at the very least. Put a fucking rational thought in your brain before demanding 150 new Pokemon every few years pls.
Mainland Europe then, I guess? It could be because of the one hour difference between the UK and the rest of central Europe, if the demo goes up at 10:30.
if it's fighting/ice, it's going on my team.
Yeah, 96 new mons if you include Diglett with a strand of hair an Dugtrio with a wig. Those are definitely new Pokemon.
I really hope it is. I;ve used an ice type in every gen so it would really suck if I had to break that trend.
Charlie0108
Member
If they have new stats, types and move pools, and also stay like that permenantly and are not catchable like that in game then they are new Pokemon. What is a Pokemon except an avatar for stats and moves?
MrCookiepants
Member
It's no less worthless than baby Pokemon. Gamefreak has being doing filler since the beginning.
Sigismundo
Member
I'm curious about those diving bell spiders. They're very likely another Bug/Water (I can't see them doing Bug/Electric or Water/Electric, just because they have yellow on them doesn't make them Electric-type) so I wonder if Wimpod-2 becomes something else?
Benzychenz
Member
I refuse to believe Komala doesn't evolve.
Pokedex entry. If the game's not gunna count me catching it as one more caught why should I?
There should be two updates left. On October 27th, they could reveal Pikipek line, Electric ants, sea urchins and some ultra beasts and for the last update before game releases final evos of starters, evos of Crabrawler, Morelull, Wimpod and Salandit and ghost anchor. That way every single new pokémon is revealed before games comes out and GF would be the one who actually spoils everything.
Charlie0108
Member
Because there is more to the game than filling up the Pokedex? And I say this as someone who loves completing the Pokedex. If I play through the game and use both normal and Alolan Ninetales on the same team with them playing completely differently then they're as good as new Pokemon for me.
Exterminieren
Banned
Right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is where we stand:
#722: Rowlet
#723: Dartrix
#724: Rowlet Evo 2
#725: Litten
#726: Torracat
#727: Litten Evo 2
#728: Popplio
#729: Brionne
#730: Popplio Evo 2
#731: Pikipek
#732: Pikipek Evo 1
#733: Pikipek Evo 2
#734: Yungoos
#735: Gumshoos
#736: Grubbin
#737: Charjabug
#738: Vikavolt
#739: Crabrawler
#740: Crabrawler Evo
#741: Oricorio
#742: Cutiefly
#743: Ribombee
#744: Rockruff
#745: Lycanroc
#746: Wishiwashi
#747: TCG Urchin
#748: TCG Urchin Evo
#749: Mudbray
#750: Mudsdale
#751: Bubble Crab
#752: Bubble Crab Evo
#753: Fomantis
#754: Lurantis
#755: Morelull
#756: Morelull Evo
#757: Salandit
#758: Salandit Evo
#759: Stufful
#760: Bewear
#761: Bounsweet
#762: Steenee
#763: Tsareena
#764: Comfey
#765: Oranguru
#766: Passimian
#767: Wimpod
#768: Wimpod Evo
#769: Sandygast
#770: Palossand
#771: Pyukumuku
#772: Type: Null
#773: Silvally
#774: Minior
#775: Komala
#776: Turtonator
#777: Togedemaru
#778: Mimikyu
#779: Bruxish
#780: Drampa
#781: Anchor
#782: Jangmo-o
#783: Hakamo-o
#784: Kommo-o
#785: Tapu Koko
#786: Psychic Tapu
#787: Fire Tapu
#788: Ghost Tapu
#789: Lunala Pre-Evo
#790: Solgaleo Pre-Evo
#791: Solgaleo
#792: Lunala
#793: UB-01
#794: UB-02 Absorption
#795: UB-02 Beauty
#796: Electric Cable Ultra Beast
#797: Green Pillars Ultra Beast
#798: Spiky Star Ultra Beast
#799: Giant Crab Ultra Beast
#800: Sharp Black Ultra Beast
#801: Magearna
#802: Marshadow
I have a few thoughts on the legendaries; what we thought were Lunala and Solgaleo pre-evos probably aren't because they don't precede the legendaries in the Pokédex, and they're the wrong way round. Also, judging by this numbering, Marshadow appears to be a Mythical Pokémon, rather than just a legendary. It would be very unusual for the third member of a trio to be uncatchable in the first game of the generation, and for any hypothetical third version to have a Mythical on the cover. I wonder how they're going to play that one out.
#722: Rowlet
#723: Dartrix
#724: Rowlet Evo 2
#725: Litten
#726: Torracat
#727: Litten Evo 2
#728: Popplio
#729: Brionne
#730: Popplio Evo 2
#731: Pikipek
#732: Pikipek Evo 1
#733: Pikipek Evo 2
#734: Yungoos
#735: Gumshoos
#736: Grubbin
#737: Charjabug
#738: Vikavolt
#739: Crabrawler
#740: Crabrawler Evo
#741: Oricorio
#742: Cutiefly
#743: Ribombee
#744: Rockruff
#745: Lycanroc
#746: Wishiwashi
#747: TCG Urchin
#748: TCG Urchin Evo
#749: Mudbray
#750: Mudsdale
#751: Bubble Crab
#752: Bubble Crab Evo
#753: Fomantis
#754: Lurantis
#755: Morelull
#756: Morelull Evo
#757: Salandit
#758: Salandit Evo
#759: Stufful
#760: Bewear
#761: Bounsweet
#762: Steenee
#763: Tsareena
#764: Comfey
#765: Oranguru
#766: Passimian
#767: Wimpod
#768: Wimpod Evo
#769: Sandygast
#770: Palossand
#771: Pyukumuku
#772: Type: Null
#773: Silvally
#774: Minior
#775: Komala
#776: Turtonator
#777: Togedemaru
#778: Mimikyu
#779: Bruxish
#780: Drampa
#781: Anchor
#782: Jangmo-o
#783: Hakamo-o
#784: Kommo-o
#785: Tapu Koko
#786: Psychic Tapu
#787: Fire Tapu
#788: Ghost Tapu
#789: Lunala Pre-Evo
#790: Solgaleo Pre-Evo
#791: Solgaleo
#792: Lunala
#793: UB-01
#794: UB-02 Absorption
#795: UB-02 Beauty
#796: Electric Cable Ultra Beast
#797: Green Pillars Ultra Beast
#798: Spiky Star Ultra Beast
#799: Giant Crab Ultra Beast
#800: Sharp Black Ultra Beast
#801: Magearna
#802: Marshadow
I have a few thoughts on the legendaries; what we thought were Lunala and Solgaleo pre-evos probably aren't because they don't precede the legendaries in the Pokédex, and they're the wrong way round. Also, judging by this numbering, Marshadow appears to be a Mythical Pokémon, rather than just a legendary. It would be very unusual for the third member of a trio to be uncatchable in the first game of the generation, and for any hypothetical third version to have a Mythical on the cover. I wonder how they're going to play that one out.
WrenchNinja
Member
You talk about being rational, but a newcomer isn't going to find 96 any less ludicrous than 150
How about accepting that there are parts of the fanbase who find a lot of appeal in catching new monsters and filling out the Pokedex
You do realize that 99% of the people that play Pokemon couldn;t care less about stats and movepools, right?
Babies were a great way to flesh out some Pokemon families to make them feel more complete. Some fo them weren't very good, but others like Mantyke or Budew felt like they should have been there from the point when that Pokemon family was introduced.
Charlie0108
Member
So 99% of people who play Pokemon don't do any battles or actually use any Pokemon? All they care about is Pokedex entries?
That's totally valid. My personal priority is catching all the pokemon, so I'm going to judge the game based on that factor but I understand if you care about battling at all new pokemon are new pokemon. I just hope the Pokedex includes an additional 'caught all formes' state or something, so it's easier to track. That would've incentivised me to hunt down mega stones last gen
Hero Prinny
Member
Damn no mimikyu evo? Wont be using it in my team then, RIP
No, they care about what designs they like and that's it. If someone thinks Minior is cuter than Rockruff they're most likely going to use it even if it's worse in every single way.
LincolnTunnel
Member
Why do people keep saying 96 Pokemon with Alola forms? Shouldn't it be 99? There's 81 New Pokemon (Including Ultra Beasts) and 18 Alola Forms. If you don't count Ultra Beasts we're at 73, saving this from being the smallest generation by 1 Pokemon.
Dagobert Duck
Member
The bear pokemon looks like it drives a truck with "free candy" written over it...just saying...
Definitely curious if we'll see more, because right now Magearna and Marshadow seem like a miniscule number of Event Pokemon, and UBs seem too story-critical to become Event Pokemon.
And has there been any mention of sprites for previous gens in there? Because if they are in there, this would seem to confirm no new Megas. But the possibility still remains if those were scrubbed.
We'll see what happens, but I sort of expect that these are story event things, rather than actual Pokemon.
If I were to guess, they'd be sort of the combination of the ghost from Gen 1 and the orbs from Gen 5 - like you follow them around the final dungeon and can show up in battle, but can't be damaged or caught.
And then they "evolve" to their legendary form when they reach the pillar of sun/moonlight at the end of the dungeon or whatever.
And has there been any mention of sprites for previous gens in there? Because if they are in there, this would seem to confirm no new Megas. But the possibility still remains if those were scrubbed.
We'll see what happens, but I sort of expect that these are story event things, rather than actual Pokemon.
If I were to guess, they'd be sort of the combination of the ghost from Gen 1 and the orbs from Gen 5 - like you follow them around the final dungeon and can show up in battle, but can't be damaged or caught.
And then they "evolve" to their legendary form when they reach the pillar of sun/moonlight at the end of the dungeon or whatever.
Exterminieren
Banned
You're absolutely right. There must have been a miscount somewhere along the line.
Ah, but bear in mind that these images we're seeing are from the Battle Preview. If you can't fight with them, then you wouldn't be seeing these images.
You don't have to care about competitive Pokemon to care about stats or movepools. Regardless of how much you want to personally weight each aspect of a Pokemon, there is still way more to any individual than just what it looks like or its Dex number.
This is completely arbitrary and subjective though. I don't think Budew or Mantyke really added much of value to the overall Pokedex. Personally, I'm having a hard time thinking of a baby that did aside from Tyrouge.
SHINY LUCHALITTEN IS JUSHIN THUNDER LIGER
Best Pokémon ever if true!
It's cute, it'll be in this game but you won't be able to upload it to Pokemon Bank and come gen 8 it will never be seen again.
Charlie0108
Member
So how does that factor into Alolan formes in anyway? How many people are going to go "Oh, well I like that Alolan Ninetales but seeing as it's just a form I'm not going to use it"? I'm sorry but I don't really understand your point.
I completely get that people like the collection aspect, and as I've said before, that's one of my favourite parts of the game, I've got a full Living Dex! And yes, I understand that the game does a very poor job of incentivising you to catch forms in terms of Dex completion, but from a standpoint of being actual Pokemon and what a Pokemon is defined as Alolan forms are basically new Pokemon. Personally I prefer this to a bunch of filler Pokemon that I'm literally never going use such as Finneon, Carnivine, Alomomola etc being in the Dex.
There was a leak a while back that called the Ultra Beasts before they were announced and it said that Solgaleo and Lunala share a pre-evolution. So it may actually just be one Pokemon with different forms/appearances.