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Poll: 1-in-4 voters believe Trump's vote-fraud claims + approves US paying for wall
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Manmademan
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It'll never get that low, because a hell of a lot more than 10% of the country are racists or "OK" with racism.
These 30/40% are consistently the collective idiots holding America back.
Blue state America needs to just start over and secede at this point. Like the No Homers, Start the No Trump States of America and exclude every red state moron. Build a wall around middle America and let them fend for themselves with their shit-ass economies.
Blue state America needs to just start over and secede at this point. Like the No Homers, Start the No Trump States of America and exclude every red state moron. Build a wall around middle America and let them fend for themselves with their shit-ass economies.
onadesertedisland
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When public schooling is effectively how to pass a standardized test, what do we expect?
demosthenes
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There's a really good quote by Hamilton in Chernow's biography about him. Hamilton wrote a letter to Angelica Church complaining about how he was being worn down by the lies being told about him, paraphrasing: "if one hear's a lie enough times, they take it as fact".
Uninformed people here the lies enough, it becomes their fact.
Uninformed people here the lies enough, it becomes their fact.
I think a lot of people underestimate how much is imported from Mexico.
frogger
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Actually after last election, i think it is not 1/4t, it is rather 1/2
Sad to say both my Step-father and brother believe in voting fraud. I had a huge argument before the elections about how they claimed illegals were going to steal the election and how can you possibly know that they aren't? When I explained how voting fraud has been looked into before and nothing was found they laughed in my face. " and who looked into it? The government? Exactly".
the fact that now Republicans actually control the government is lost on them. Somehow it's always the Dems fault. There is no reason with these people. Right now "illegal immigrants" are the devil out to steal their jobs, their votes, their tax money, hell democracy itself.
Thanks Republicans for your racist rhetoric.
the fact that now Republicans actually control the government is lost on them. Somehow it's always the Dems fault. There is no reason with these people. Right now "illegal immigrants" are the devil out to steal their jobs, their votes, their tax money, hell democracy itself.
Thanks Republicans for your racist rhetoric.
Sports-like party adherence. They chose the candidate and now support anything the candidate does. Anything contradicting the claims of the candidate is ignored. That's what doublethink is about.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Two days ago i learned that one of my customers/clients literally believes that the Earth is flat.
Don't worry. Betsy DeVos is about to be on it.
And Jerry Falwell Jr.
Lord Frieza
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I mean, honestly, I know this is kind of sad in a lot of ways, but this is...not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I also think it's really interesting that of those who believe in that voter fraud nonsense, more of them think it benefited Trump over Clinton. That is just a really weird little quirk there.
teruterubozu
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America has craptacular short-term memory. Don't count on it.
Lord Frieza
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I wonder a lot about this myself, honestly. I am really more interested in what non-voters are thinking right now. It would give us a better view of what people are thinking on the average I think.
teruterubozu
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Compared to?
Lord Frieza
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The damage won't be short-term, it will be long-term. The real question is will it be enough to turn those who matter, or scorn those on side enough to jump.
Unfortunately they don't even have to listen to it directly. None of my family does. But they do talk with people that do at work, they also listen to sports radio that seems to have these conservative views.
It reaches people who don't even turn on a radio or watches Fox News, or reads Breitbart or Drudge.
teruterubozu
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Jump to what? That's assuming the Dems have something going forward in the future.
Generalpsyduck
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1/4 is a huge minority.
ForsakenLotus
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NeoGAF is my safe space...
Except every other thread is some terrifying example of how fucked our country is. Other than that...
Except every other thread is some terrifying example of how fucked our country is. Other than that...
Fancyarcher
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A lot of people approved of immigration laws, but most didn't want people with green card holders to get screwed over, so a lot of people "mildly approved of it". You should really read the statistics, it's not as black and white or as bad as some people on that thread made it out to be.
The issue there is less about the illusory truth effect and more about critical thinking skills and research on information received from unvetted sources. Your friend at work says X, which sounds inflammatory but he listens to and reads alot of news and seems well informed, so you take him at his word and add his truth to your own without validating if it's really true or not.
Fancyarcher
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It's actually the percentage of voters who voted for Trump.
If you lived outside a major city, you already knew this. Moved back to a smaller town in MS just before the election..,,people here are fucking insane.
Budget cuts, school hours, classroom size. The education system has taken a big kick in the nuts over the last couple of decades and now the results are being felt.
1 in 3, and definitely much better than 1 in 2
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
DeVos is on the case!
NYCmetsfan
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OK, we need to stop thinking polls about policy accurately reflect peoples desired policy goals, and instead are often used to signal support for politicians and their stated political party, ideology. These same people would reject it and did when liberals complained about Ohio after 2004
Especially when questions are framed "Do you support Donald Trump's voter fraud claim"
The question was "As you may know, President Trump has said he believes between 3 million to 5 million votes may have been cast illegally. Do you believe 3 million to 5 million votes were cast illegally, or not?"
To many this question is just a reformulated "Do you support Donald Trump"
Especially when questions are framed "Do you support Donald Trump's voter fraud claim"
The question was "As you may know, President Trump has said he believes between 3 million to 5 million votes may have been cast illegally. Do you believe 3 million to 5 million votes were cast illegally, or not?"
To many this question is just a reformulated "Do you support Donald Trump"
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Well on the bright side of this four year apocalyptic train ride. American kids will never have to worry about bear attacks in their schools again.
There will always be Homers, and that is okay. Homers are sweet and kind people, but those that take advantage of the Homers are the bad guys. The Mister Burnses. SO no more Montys
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valkillmore
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He loves the poorly educated.
I think a lot of these "approvals" for Trump are less genuine approval than "if i don't approve with this then i have to admit i made a huge fucking mistake"
i think quite some people are simply "going with it"
thankfully, 1-in-4 is already way lower than his supposed ~50% overall approval
i think quite some people are simply "going with it"
thankfully, 1-in-4 is already way lower than his supposed ~50% overall approval
jellies_two
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You forgot to mention that it is a reality based bubble.
That's rather important.
Otherwise it sounds like you would be suggesting we are no better or worse than an episode of infowars And everything is relative.
That's what the destructive forces now loose want, they don't want any benchmarks based on reality. They want people to forget there is any truths left to try to get close to. They want people like you to say oh that's just the bubble you are in. Bubbles shmubbles come out and accept the "world" where you lost we won.
This idea sounds cool to surrender to, but it's bullshit. And the way to tell is just go and immerse oneself in the other filter bubble for a while really drink it in. The thought leaders lack any finessse, the messages are transparently manipulative, they don't know how to save themselves from falling for straight up lies. It's like watching neanderthals try to run a moon shot. Lots of rage and strength but they keep breaking the fragile bits.
Like today's "scoop" on infowars was from an "Israeli intelligence operative" text message that trump had just been nominated for the nobel peace prize!! because of his initiative to move the US embassy!!. It takes 3 minutes to find the origin of this and it's that anyone can write to the nobel committee to nominate someone and write whatever the voices say that day.
But his audience will drink the kool aide and now libtards are trying to pull down a nobel peace prize winner!!
This is the filter bubble the other guys sit in. It isn't the same distortion field. It's badly produced badly lit horseshit. The liberal political filter has its issues but it's fundamentally closer to the truth and is full of more intelligent nuanced and nicer people. Unless you are very easily led, the white nationalist one is straight up madness right now.
It's the company of libtards comparing notes "are you seeing this shit?" or it's crazy town.
Democracy is dead? are you posting from Russia in which case yes you are the object lesson in what not throw it away for.
End rant
The US has allowed itself to be intellectually and economically hollowed out for profit and the inevitable sinkhole is finally starting to open
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