Exactly what I was going to say.
I definitely do prefer the visual style. I can’t comment on improvements on the engine because i havent played TTS since release and have only seen dolphin emulated runs since then. Our conversation led me to this thread cause I wanted to know TTS’s frame-rate.
Not only that but why didn't MGS2 and 3 see a release on the Cube? Forget the portables, hell neither did the Wii or Wii U get any further instalments....
I definitely do prefer the visual style. I can’t comment on improvements on the engine because i havent played TTS since release and have only seen dolphin emulated runs since then. Our conversation led me to this thread cause I wanted to know TTS’s frame-rate.
Which has better graphics: Sons of Liberty or Twin Snakes?
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From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
edit: Uploaded better comparison photo
From the screen shots I’d have to still say MGS2 looks better graphically, but again, Im going by photos. And people in that thread believe that the frame rate is smoother on MGS2. I think I’m going to pick up a physical copy of TTS, and see for myself. As of right now, I can’t see any advantage the gamecube remake has over the ps2 sequel, but that’s just me. I do think MGS2 looks better than MGS3 as well. Something about the sterile environment and running 60fps looks pleasing.
When you’re referring to the inconsistent cutscenes, you’re still talking about graphics?Many of your pics have different capture methods.
I think this shows better that Twin Snakes (left) is generally cleaner with better shadows and lighting than MGS2. The modeling is also smoother which is to be expected since the PS2 known for its heavy aliasing in general.
The artstyle of TS however has a sleek flat gradient look though, so you may prefer that less than MGS2's artstyle which doesn't do that and almost does the opposite. I notice a few other GameCubes games have that kind of style, you can even find variations of that style in several Dreamcast games, especially arcade ports.
While TT has better texturing than MGS2 in many areas the artstyle can make that not seem obvious. if you look at say, the top of the shelves behind snake or the two frames around both glass windows, also behind snake, they seem like they are more flat and shaded than textured, where on MGS2 on the right, if you look at the window frame, or those bottom pillars, they aren't as clean or shades, but they seem like they have more texturing that's more in your face, while not having that sleek flat look.
You can also notice this some what with the floors. I can definitely see why someone wouldn't like the artstyle of TT. Although it's much better in motion. The cutscenes are inconsistent though, some are great and some are what?
Ah, so like the intro with the colonel in the submarine for example (before Snake’s appearance)
No, because the only reason I’m asking is because the complaint you hear about the cutscenes is never that graphically they’re inconsistent but rather they’re bombastic. But you’re right, some TTS cutscenes do seem uglier than others.
That TTS pic is from emulator with higher resolution.Many of your pics have different capture methods.
I think this shows better that Twin Snakes (left) is generally cleaner with better shadows and lighting than MGS2. The modeling is also smoother which is to be expected since the PS2 known for its heavy aliasing in general.
The artstyle of TS however has a sleek flat gradient look though, so you may prefer that less than MGS2's artstyle which doesn't do that and almost does the opposite. I notice a few other GameCubes games have that kind of style, you can even find variations of that style in several Dreamcast games, especially arcade ports.
While TT has better texturing than MGS2 in many areas the artstyle can make that not seem obvious. if you look at say, the top of the shelves behind snake or the two frames around both glass windows, also behind snake, they seem like they are more flat and shaded than textured, where on MGS2 on the right, if you look at the window frame, or those bottom pillars, they aren't as clean or shades, but they seem like they have more texturing that's more in your face, while not having that sleek flat look.
You can also notice this some what with the floors. I can definitely see why someone wouldn't like the artstyle of TT. Although it's much better in motion. The cutscenes are inconsistent though, some are great and some are what?
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TTS doesn't have that kind of resolution on Gamecube.Uhhh no.
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Site hosts direct captures. TTS looks much better than that on an Emulator because you can make more textures visible on those flat surfaces.
He was made to look androgynous. The “bicep bumbs” are probably his lateral triceps.MGS3 Subsistence wins.
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
MGS3 Subsistence wins.
I haven't played MGS V Phantom Pain though.
On a sidenote, people often tout MGS2 as the hallmark of PS2 graphics, visual style and character model realism.
Well, even though I did give Raiden a fair chance way back when MGS2 released, his character model has always looked absurd to me.
Shinkawa and Kojima can wave the MGS2 document and anatomy character studies all day long at me,
but no one can tell me Raiden's character model makes sense, anatomy-wise or in context of "realistic style".
Because, I finally bothered to download the Raiden character model, and as a character artist I must say the
proportions and even the way of poly modeling are so incredibly warped....it's asbsurd;
The gigantic wide hips, the tiny wasp waist, the overly anime styled face etc. (even the little biceps bulge to the side is nonsense)
I did a quick edit on the model to show how the original compares to what I think would be a more reasonable model, even in context of MGS2's stylized "realism" visuals.
Front
Rear
Faces (hooray, a proper jawline and actual facial structure)
Perspective view
