Projared situation shows society giving Women a way out of crime with #metoo movement, despite the women being as terrible a person.

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So here's the situation, Projared has been the talk of the town for the last few days and it was mostly because he and his wife were having some issues. Triggered by Jared blocking his wifes twitter and putting out a statement to try and shut down all rumors.

It would later be leaked by his wife Heidi and several others the following issues:

1. Jared cheated on his wife with a mutual friend who divorced another mutual friend.

2. Jared was sending dick pics and receiving nudes from wamens, including underage girls.

3. Jared was apparently manipulating people.

4. Jared was texting people to meet to have sex.

5. Jared was dumb enough to leave his phone with no password lock for his wife to find.

Now there's a thread in off-topic on this issue but I want to talk about the political side to this.

The #metoo movement which barely involved average women, has taken advantaged of the dumbed down society we are in and the extreme lack of critical thinking the average person has and essentially has caused women to get away with multiple thing because #Believeallwamenz, and it's absolutely crazy how in this particular situation things have played out

First of all let me get one thing straight, Projared had a sex blog and he posted some of these underage girls on the blog, one even told him not to (why she sent him a nude in the first place is the failure of the parents in action) and if he has them on his harddrive, and it's possible to get the witnesses together and all the messaging screenshots, which is already happening, he's going to be found guilty of a crime which in his state based on what we know so far, will be a decent sentence and a child sex offender registration.

However, there's a few problems with Heidi who everyone is siding with. There's some people that say Heidi hasn't really been fateful either and people are brushing that aside for some reason but that's not the major concern here.

She has already admitted that she knew her husband was "sexting" and "doing the nude instagram/snapshat" thing, and sex blog thing for "years". If anything it shows both of these people are idiots. Not only that but she was ok with a sort of "open relationship" and she knew and (allegedly) talked with some of the underage girls, but we only need the former for my point to make sense.

She was openly supporting (and possibly encouraging/manipulating) pedophilia with her husband. Since people on Youtube have been kind of gradually mentioning this, she has come out with some other friends talking about more controversy to bury it. It's also working because everyone is automatically giving her a free pass on everything despite her story inconsistencies and her being just as much as a piece of shit.

Not only that but in her state some of the private info she leaked out, as well as (alleged) encouraging fans to attack the women that he cheated on her with, that's another two separate crimes. It was all to be petty as well.

In conclusion both of these people are idiots, but the wife is a trash person that could possibly end up with a higher recommended jail sentence, which will of course be reduced because she is a wamenz, but she may get off scott free. people are still completely siding with her despite the fact she is (possibly) encouraging harassment, and is confirmed to not only have leaked out private info just to be a dick and try to get sympathy, but also that she was openly knowing and possibly helping her husband with the under age girls.

But this will be ignored because of an artificial movement that I am fairly certain was made to create a stigma against punishing women and basically ignoring all her wrong doings. They should both be in jail tomorrow as we already have confirmation that he was sending and receiving pics and she knew about it and didn't minds, and said nothing. But she is setting things up in a way she knows will work (for now) by acting like she is this amazing person, although she has other problems I haven't mentioned and was never really a good person. Also they are divorcing which is something a normal women would have done "years" ago instead of participating in manipulating underage girls.

Sorry there are no good guys here.
 
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I haven't seen this. Can you elaborate?
I describe it in the above paragraph

She has already admitted that she knew her husband was "sexting" and "doing the nude instagram/snapshat" thing, and sex blog thing for "years". If anything it shows both of these people are idiots. Not only that but she was ok with a sort of "open relationship" and she knew and (allegedly) talked with some of the underage girls, but we only need the former for my point to make sense.
She was fully aware of it and did nothing and (allegedly) has also talked to some of those fans on top of that, though the first crime is all that's needed to convict. But if the rest is accurate on top of that we are talking multiple crimes with heavier sentences.
 

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She was fully aware of it and did nothing and (allegedly) has also talked to some of those fans on top of that, though the first crime is all that's needed to convict. But if the rest is accurate on top of that we are talking multiple crimes with heavier sentences.
But underage doesn't necessarily mean pedophile. Pedophilia is specifically prepubescent children, not late teenagers. That's a VERY serious accusation against someone - perhaps the most serious accusation, worse even than murder in many people's opinion (including my own) since murder can at least sometimes be justified - and it should not be used indiscriminately. You can say a lot of things about ProJared, but it doesn't appear that he is a pedophile.
 
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It is not.

Especially once you get sentenced in court.
Please don't confuse "minor" for "child", nor age of consent laws for pedophilia. Just like calling everybody a nazi devalues the meaning of calling someone a nazi, calling everybody a pedophile when they clearly aren't devalues the meaning of pedophile too.
 

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I describe it in the above paragraph

She has already admitted that she knew her husband was "sexting" and "doing the nude instagram/snapshat" thing, and sex blog thing for "years"

She was fully aware of it and did nothing and (allegedly) has also talked to some of those fans on top of that, though the first crime is all that's needed to convict. But if the rest is accurate on top of that we are talking multiple crimes with heavier sentences.
Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?
 

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I didn't know Heidi was to blame too. Shame on both of them, I've been watching ProJared for like 6 years and I'm utterly disappointed.

But underage doesn't necessarily mean pedophile. Pedophilia is specifically prepubescent children, not late teenagers. That's a VERY serious accusation against someone
It does, though. 16 year olds are classified as children. Who else would you call minors? What should we call people who sexually harass minors, then? Predators?
 
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It does, though. 16 year olds are classified as children. Who else would you call minors? What should we call people who sexually harass minors, then? Predators?
Did you know that 16 year olds can be classified as pedophiles?

16 year olds are minors, but they are not children. At least not sexually. Most places have the age of consent at 16, and in the majority of the US states, it is still legal for an adult to marry a 16 year old. Lots of people (most people?) lose their virginity by 16. It was 60% in my day, but I think Millennials it is down to less than a third. You think they are all losing it to people within a year or two of their own age? I'm very much against the criminalization of teenage sexuality. Teens have sex. They should have sex. Arguably, their bodies demand that they have sex. And they are old enough to decide who they have sex with.

I think ProJared is a sexual predator, don't get me wrong. But I think his audience is primarily teens and young adults due to him being a YouTube celebrity, and I think he makes prey of anyone who wanders into his sights. I don't think he is primarily targeting minors, just that he hunts with hand grenades that have a large blast radius.
 
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Please don't confuse "minor" for "child", nor age of consent laws for pedophilia. Just like calling everybody a nazi devalues the meaning of calling someone a nazi, calling everybody a pedophile when they clearly aren't devalues the meaning of pedophile too.
I'm not confusing anything, learn the court of law and how each state has their own view on laws.

Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?
The fact she admitted that she knew about his sexting/sex pic trading? For YEARS?

Did you know that 16 year olds can be classified as pedophiles?

16 year olds are minors, but they are not children. At least not sexually. Most places have the age of consent at 16, and in the majority of the US states, it is still legal for an adult to marry a 16 year old. Lots of people (most people?) lose their virginity by 16. It was 60% in my day, but I think Millennials it is down to less than a third. You think they are all losing it to people within a year or two of their own age? I'm very much against the criminalization of teenage sexuality. Teens have sex. They should have sex. Arguably, their bodies demand that they have sex. And they are old enough to decide who they have sex with.

I think ProJared is a sexual predator, don't get me wrong. But I think his audience is primarily teens and young adults due to him being a YouTube celebrity, and I think he makes prey of anyone who wanders into his sights. I don't think he is primarily targeting minors, just that he hunts with hand grenades that have a large blast radius.
Pointless argument, some states have different laws, if he's found guilty he can be a convicted pedo in his state. She will be in trouble for associating and knowing that it was going on. Manipulation of the underaged is also a separate crime. Although they could likely dodge one with a good lawyer.
 
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Did you know that 16 year olds can be classified as pedophiles?

16 year olds are minors, but they are not children. At least not sexually. Most places have the age of consent at 16, and in the majority of the US states, it is still legal for an adult to marry a 16 year old. Lots of people (most people?) lose their virginity by 16. It was 60% in my day, but I think Millennials it is down to less than a third. You think they are all losing it to people within a year or two of their own age? I'm very much against the criminalization of teenage sexuality. Teens have sex. They should have sex. Arguably, their bodies demand that they have sex. And they are old enough to decide who they have sex with.

I think ProJared is a sexual predator, don't get me wrong. But I think his audience is primarily teens and young adults due to him being a YouTube celebrity, and I think he makes prey of anyone who wanders into his sights. I don't think he is primarily targeting minors, just that he hunts with hand grenades that have a large blast radius.
I think we need to just drop this. Objectively speaking, any sexual encounter between a legal adult and ANY minor is pedophilia. A 16 year old and teenager in-general counts as a child and will count as a sex offender.
 

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I didn't know Heidi was to blame too. Shame on both of them, I've been watching ProJared for like 6 years and I'm utterly disappointed.
I'm still waiting for proof. The only thing she's admitted to is that she knew her husband was giving and getting nudes. Learning some people were underage could have easily come after the fact, such as recently, seeing as everyone with his photos is now sharing them and sharing their stories.


Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?
The fact she admitted that she knew about his sexting/sex pic trading? For YEARS?
Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?





Saying we should believe allegations that a woman did something wrong when there's no proof isn't any different than saying we should believe allegations that a man did something wrong when there's no proof.

WHERE is your proof, Afro Republican?
 
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There is a person in here saying that adults preying on teenagers is not pedophilia. My goodness.
That's because it is literally not.

Pointless argument, some states have different laws, if he's found guilty he can be a convicted pedo in his state. She will be in trouble for associating and knowing that it was going on. Manipulation of the underaged is also a separate crime. Although they could likely dodge one with a good lawyer.
Pedophilia is not a legal term. It is a clinical classification. If he met with these minors, he could be charged with transportation of minors across state lines and for the solicitation of minors. If all he did was trade photos on Tumblr, that would be the equivalent of sexting, which can be currently punished as possession and creation of child pornography, but which can be challenged legally as a consensual sex act between members above the age of consent.

I think we need to just drop this. Objectively speaking, any sexual encounter between a legal adult and ANY minor is pedophilia. A 16 year old and teenager in-general counts as a child and will count as a sex offender.
It's like words don't mean anything to you people. Pedophilia is not a legal term. Someone can be a minor, but not a child. They can be tried as adults depending on their crime and through emancipation can be considered legally adults at that age. Even beyond that, the law separates out different responsibilities for minors depending on their age, which is why the age of consent exists - because 16 year olds are considered old enough to have sex. Legally.

Pedophilia is explicitly a clinical term for people who are attracted to prepubescent children. That is, they do not have secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts, hips, or body hair. This is kids under the age of 13. Do not confuse "minor" for "prepubescent child".
 

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I'm still waiting for proof. The only thing she's admitted to is that she knew her husband was giving and getting nudes. Learning some people were underage could have easily come after the fact, such as recently, seeing as everyone with his photos is now sharing them and sharing their stories.

Saying we should believe allegations that a woman did something wrong when there's no proof isn't any different than saying we should believe allegations that a man did something wrong when there's no proof.

WHERE is your proof, Afro Republican?
You're trying to hard, a good chunk of youtube videos are already covering it, your on the defense force, you're not even doing research on it just instantly dimissing it.

It's also not that she "new" it's that she was well aware of "what" he was doing you're downplaying it. Not to mention even your dumbed down version of events is a red flag and makes her an idiot either way.

Pedophilia is not a legal term. It is a clinical classification.
Stop doing this circle shit, if he's charged in his state/city he will be a marked pedophile and will be charged as one, no one is talking about technicalities, the court will rule based on the courts laws if a conviction is triggered. If you think that's not the right thing to call him write a letter to his state/city court administration. That's the whole point of this issue, is that he committed a crime, and she will be guilty of a crime for associating with his crime. Although her admittance may not be enough if they give a good lawyer, but he likely has something to bring her down if people go after him, but there's still a chance this whole thing ends up being a temporary uproar and people go back to normal in a month.
 

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So Hebephilia which is between 11 - 14, and Ephebophilia between 15 - 19.

Either way, people consider this pedophilia because people of this age are still very immature, impressionable, and not considered adults. Even in states where the age of consent is 16 people still consider 18 - 21 as being an adult. You should absolutely not be taking advantage of minor. A minor is someone who is under the age of full legal responsibility and is synonymous with a child, and youth. So yes, preying on a minor while not always a prepubescent child is still considered a child by the fact that minor and child are synonymous with one another. Meaning Hebephilia and up to 17 years old with Ephebophilia (again 18 - 19 are considered adults) are synonymous with pedophilia.

This is how everyone, but you see it. So calling someone who preys on people of these ages a pedophile is not an incorrect statement/label.
 
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I think we need to just drop this. Objectively speaking, any sexual encounter between a legal adult and ANY minor is pedophilia. A 16 year old and teenager in-general counts as a child and will count as a sex offender.
That is just not true. Pedophilia has a real definition.

Relations between an 18 and 16 year old are not considered pedophilia for example.
 
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You're trying to hard, a good chunk of youtube videos are already covering it, your on the defense force, you're not even doing research on it just instantly dimissing it.

It's also not that she "new" it's that she was well aware of "what" he was doing you're downplaying it. Not to mention even your dumbed down version of events is a red flag and makes her an idiot either way.
I'm not going to look for evidence to prove you right. That's now how this works. You're the one making the allegation, here.

Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?
 

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I'm not going to look for evidence to prove you right. T
You're not looking for evidence at all. You're not even following the subject your defending. Please go and look at recent videos within the last 48 hours maybe some articles and then come back and stop doing this, thanks.
 
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That is just not true. Pedophilia has a real definition.

Relations between an 18 and 16 year old are not considered pedophilia for example.
Maybe, maybe not, but they're certainly sex offenders. As a legal adult, you're not legally allowed to engage in a sexual relationship with a minor.
 

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Stop doing this circle shit, if he's charged in his state/city he will be a marked pedophile and will be charged as one, no one is talking about technicalities, the court will rule based on the courts laws if a conviction is triggered.
No, he will be marked as a sex offender. A pedophile is something else. Just making up definitions for words and labeling people with your own bullshit definitions is how we ended up with social justice calling everybody a white supremacist. Words have a fucking meaning, and you can’t go around calling someone a pedophile who isn’t physically attracted to prepubescent children. That’s wrong and immoral, and that kind of bullshit labeling is a serious problem right now and we can choose not to participate in it.

That's the whole point of this issue, is that he committed a crime, and she will be guilty of a crime for associating with his crime. Although her admittance may not be enough if they give a good lawyer, but he likely has something to bring her down if people go after him, but there's still a chance this whole thing ends up being a temporary uproar and people go back to normal in a month.
This won’t amount to anything unless one of the 16 year olds (or their parents) decide to press charges. Police don’t just follow internet dramas looking for evidence of wrong doing, and ProJared is way too far down on the “who gives a shit?’ meter for them to care without someone pressing charges.

My concern is that, in our eagerness for a public execution, these photos of the teenagers will end up being published and spread around the internet. Somebody has them, but right now, only cares about posting ProJared’s dick. Personally, I think there’s enough material here to ruin ProJared’s career without delving too deeply into the lives of the people he shared photos with.
 

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No, he will be marked as a sex offender. A pedophile is something else. Just making up definitions for words and labeling people with your own bullshit definitions is how we ended up with social justice calling everybody a white supremacist. Words have a fucking meaning, and you can’t go around calling someone a pedophile who isn’t physically attracted to prepubescent children. That’s wrong and immoral, and that kind of bullshit labeling is a serious problem right now and we can choose not to participate in it.


This won’t amount to anything unless one of the 16 year olds (or their parents) decide to press charges. Police don’t just follow internet dramas looking for evidence of wrong doing, and ProJared is way too far down on the “who gives a shit?’ meter for them to care without someone pressing charges.

My concern is that, in our eagerness for a public execution, these photos of the teenagers will end up being published and spread around the internet. Somebody has them, but right now, only cares about posting ProJared’s dick. Personally, I think there’s enough material here to ruin ProJared’s career without delving too deeply into the lives of the people he shared photos with.
I like how you just ignored my point.
 

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I like how you just ignored my point.
I ignored you because you said something ignorant and wrong.

So calling someone who preys on people of these ages a pedophile is not an incorrect statement/label.
So, even acknowledging that this is not, in fact, pedophilia, you believe that it is appropriate to call someone who is not a pedophile a pedophile, just because they are a sexual predator? The fact that you acknowledge you are wrong before stating this just makes the statement seem that much less convincing.

I don't know why this concept is so completely difficult for you people. Teenagers are not kids. We do not let kids have jobs or get driver's licenses. We don't let kids marry. We don't let kids. We do not let parents kick their kids out of the house, nor do we allow kids to voluntarily move out of the house. We let 16 year olds. They are becoming adults, and as such, we increase the amount of responsibilities we let them have as they move into adulthood. And this includes sexual responsibility and holding relationships.

There was a study not too long ago that showed that Millennials were putting off life milestones later than Gen X or Baby Boomers. They are driving later, finishing school later, getting jobs later, marrying later, owning house later, and yes, having sex later. So, it may very well be that Millennials have a warped sense of teenage sexuality, on account of them choosing not to. But I think, and I'm not alone in this belief, that this "late bloomer" attitude comes largely from not giving them responsibilities as early. We aren't letting them be adults as early as we should, and thus adolescence now lasts into the mid-twenties.

And I think this push to criminalize teen sexuality is part of this. We aren't allowing teenagers to make that transition to adulthood, and we are, in fact, outlawing it. That's nuts. Just like the mom who was arrested for letting his 8 year old go to the park unsupervised. I think if we trust them enough to put them behind the wheel of a two ton death machine, I think we can trust them on who they send naked pictures to on the internet. And they'll choose wrong. One of the prices of the freedom of choice is the freedom to choose wrongly. Learning how to deal with mistakes is also part of becoming an adult, and that, more than anything, is something we aren't allowing enough people to experience.

I think ProJared is a creep and sexual predator. I think what he did was wrong and immoral. But he's not a pedophile. And I think some of the responsibility of sending underaged nude pictures to him needs to be put on the people who actually sent it, not just the person who requested it. If they want to be treated as an adult, then they need to be treated as an adult in all ways, not just when it benefits them. You can't willingly send someone nudes and then claim that you are blameless in the act because you consider yourself a child.
 

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Maybe, maybe not, but they're certainly sex offenders. As a legal adult, you're not legally allowed to engage in a sexual relationship with a minor.
No one is denying that. He is a sexual offender if true. We are disputing the improper use of the term "pedophile" in this situation
 

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Maybe, maybe not, but they're certainly sex offenders. As a legal adult, you're not legally allowed to engage in a sexual relationship with a minor.
He's a sex offender if true and if the laws where he lives define having sex with someone below 18 as illegal. That differs of course and you are legally allowed to engage in a sexual relationship with a minor in many places.

In Norway you can have consensual sex with a 16 year old. We don't view your right to consent as something given only once reach age of majority. Various ages give you various rights, including being of age to consensually agree to sex and not needing legal protection in terms of who can have sex with you. Meaning that the morality of the issue usually will vary depending on what country you're from. It's generally shunned or seen as pathetic to have sex with a 16 year old if you're an adult in Norway though. Funny enough, minimum driving age for cars is 18. In fact, age of majority/adulthood is generally tied to your right to vote and not other rights and responsibilities you might've gotten before said age. Heck, even as an adult you're restricted from buying liquor until you're 20 (meaning that while you might have full control over yourself and you can kill and fight in wars, you can smoke tobacco and vote, you can't drink liquor if you're not 20+). When you're 15 years old in Norway you're criminally liable, before that you have the defense of infancy. In the US criminal responsibility happens much earlier from what I've read.

I think what someone's trying to tell you is that a 16 year old doesn't magically turn different as a 18 year old. You're at that time evolved in terms of your physical body and reached adulthood physically. Meaning that a physical attraction shouldn't be viewed as someone attracted to prepubertal minors. That's why people always try to ask for ID when around people that look young, because you can't really tell the difference between a 16 year old and a 20 year old. My wife is 32 and she's aged rather well and is constantly asked for ID when buying beer or wine (meaning they think she might be younger than 18). The basis for the limitations in terms of having sex with adolescent kids is often based on maturity and viewing them as unable to properly understand and consent to sex with someone that's older. By limiting who they can have sexual relations with, the intended effect is to limit older people from preying on them by unfair status, especially as women tend to seek older partners. It's all an interesting subject and generally it will vary a lot by culture how it's viewed and the legality of it will also differ. There's even talk about raising the age of majority/adulthood, and it has been higher in the past.

But this feels like a digression. The subject here was apparently Projared's wife getting an out, despite seemingly knowing about this. I don't know if that's true, but if so, then it paints a different picture of course. I've yet to see any evidence of Projared knowing the girls were underaged though. I've seen it mentioned, but not seen screencaps confirming it.
 

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I think the most telling about how hypocritical this whole thing is, is how a similar situation basically triggered gamergate and in that instance the one who got crucified by the SJW crowd was the accuser and not the accused.
 

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Dude preyed on teens and should be classified as such and should be punished accordingly, but really you guys here who are saying he is a pedophile are so damn wrong. While we might want to call everyone under the age of 18 a child, there HAS to be a definition that separates people who might be into 17 year olds from those who specifically have zero interest in people of that age because they have their "adult parts" grown up but instead are preying on people from 0 years old to whatever age puberty starts.

While what Jared has done is bad, it is nowhere near as bad and vile as what acted out pedophilia is. You guys are lumping him together with people who fantasize about fucking a 6 year old for god's sakes. If you can't see a difference in that I don't know what to tell you. In Finland the age of consent is 16. While I get that many would think having sex with a 16 years old is creepy and shitty and evil, it is still in a complete different scale of evilness than someone abusing a pre-pubescent child is.

If Jared would require treatment for what his mental problem is, getting the treatment pedophiles would get wouldn't help him at all since his cravings aren't what the cravings of pedos are. If he will be sentenced in court he wouldn't be sentenced as a pedophile and if he would be sent to a mental asylum he wouldn't be sent there as a pedophile. He requires different treatment than what pedophiles require, and that is a legal and medical fact and there is no way around it.

You people claiming he is a pedophile are 100% factually wrong here.

Jared is an adulterer, a pervert and and sexual abuser of minors, but a pedophile he is not or at the very least there is zero evidence for it and nothing in his behavior has shown any pedophilic tendencies so far. Judge a man for what he has done and avoid judging him for what he hasn't done.

This is how everyone, but you see it. So calling someone who preys on people of these ages a pedophile is not an incorrect statement/label.
It is 100% incorrect. You don't get to change definitions of words on a whim just because you feel like it. We are living a postmodern era where different isms and genders and everything are being redefined without any real basis on it. Please don't add to that nonsense.

I think the most telling about how hypocritical this whole thing is, is how a similar situation basically triggered gamergate and in that instance the one who got crucified by the SJW crowd was the accuser and not the accused.
In this case there is proof of him messing with minors. It is much easier to have sympathy towards the accuser than it was in Zoe's case.
It actually makes me wonder why the people who got so serious about Zoe and made a social movement out of it because of allegations of an adult having sex with another adult who happens to be a game journalist aren't anywhere near that serious now even though this is A LOT more serious issue. Why aren't they starting another movement now?
 
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Hey remember when Democrats were pushing for 16 year olds to vote?

And I think what he did was wrong, but I think the victim and manipulation card is being played a little too much here. These girls (??? one is a transman or transwomen ???) sent him their pics on their own and seemed to be enjoying sexting with a "celeberty" and I don't really know how much "manipulation" was going on there. heck I could even say they kinda manipulated him since they were underage and still sent him nudes and sexted with him.

If these girls were 18 no one would call him grooming but 2 year difference is so huge? When Democrats want these people to vote?

I am not excusing his shitty behavior. Clearly he should of stayed away from engaging with 16 year olds. when that one girl told him she was 16 he should of blocked her from his group and stopped contact.
 
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why the people who got so serious about Zoe and made a social movement out of it because of allegations of an adult having sex with another adult who happens to be a game journalist aren't anywhere near that serious now even though this is A LOT more serious issue. Why aren't they starting another movement now?
You keep on trying to compare this to ganergate, but I'm sorry this is a stupid argument that doesn't hold. People were pissed at Zoe and Nathan because it proved in their eyes that game journalists and developers are way to close to each other. So close that some of them are literally fucking.

ProJared isn't a developer or a journalist. He was at best a comedian? He married a cosplayer. He never reviewed current games or advertised games, so you trying to pretend they are the same is incredibly disingenuous. Cut the crap already
 
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In this case there is proof of him messing with minors. It is much easier to have sympathy towards the accuser than it was in Zoe's case.
It actually makes me wonder why the people who got so serious about Zoe and made a social movement out of it because of allegations of an adult having sex with another adult who happens to be a game journalist aren't anywhere near that serious now even though this is A LOT more serious issue. Why aren't they starting another movement now?
Sorry but for me what Zoe did is more morally reprehensible. It is corruption. Sleeping with people to push up your career is not what a good person does. But yeah she has the power as a woman to do that. I would be fine with that if she didn't belong to the same crowd taking advantage of sex to advance their career and then crucify men with power who ask for sex in exchange of favors. So she's not only corrupt but a hypocrite.

Where I live it is legal to have a relationship with a 16 year old. Yeah it is weird and sort of pathetic but I've met 16 year olds more mature than some 30 years old so it all depends. Jared is also a hypocrite because he condemned people for the kind of behavior he was doing. But then again moralists and prudish people are usually the biggest hypocrites out there.
 

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You keep on trying to compare this to ganergate, but I'm sorry this is a stupid argument that doesn't hold.
I replied to someone who compared this to gamergate. Was he wrong too?

People were pissed at Zoe and Nathan because it proved in their eyes that game journalists and developers are way to close to each other. So close that some of them are literally fucking.

ProJared isn't a developer or a journalist. He was at best a comedian? He married a cosplayer. He never reviewed current games or advertised games, so you trying to pretend they are the same is incredibly disingenuous. Cut the crap already
Yeah, sure they aren't the same. This issue with Jared is MUCH more serious and would warrant double the seriousness the issue with Zoe and Nathan got.

I don't care if a game reviewer has sex with a game developer just as I don't care if a movie reviewer has sex with a movie director, especially when the reviewers even haven't reviewed the developer's or the director's game/movie. It's like blaming a teacher for having sex with a student when they aren't even in the same school or even in the same city.

Gamergate was an overreaction to two adults being promiscuous and the other being unfaithful in a relationship (where they weren't even married). The deal with Jared is far more serious as it involves minors (and is a case of actual adultery).
 

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No, he will be marked as a sex offender. A pedophile is something else. Just making up definitions for words and labeling people with your own bullshit definitions is how we ended up with social justice calling everybody a white supremacist. Words have a fucking meaning, and you can’t go around calling someone a pedophile who isn’t physically attracted to prepubescent children. That’s wrong and immoral, and that kind of bullshit labeling is a serious problem right now and we can choose not to participate in it.
Stop it, he will be a registered child sex offender due to convictions of pedophilic behavior or actions, they rule this in many courts int he country NOW, you're purposefully running around in circles, the word "pedophile" if they find proof on him doing this, will be used in court by the judge and likely the prosecutor. This isn't really something you can attack people on a forum on when this is exactly what's going to happen IN COURT.

It isn't MY DEFINITION, you're either just a pedo defender or a person that wants to start a make believe argument where for some reason courts don't use the P word, which isn't reality because they do, sorry.

You're making it obvious there's a personal issue here.
 

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You people claiming he is a pedophile are 100% factually wrong here.
Unless his court considers him a Pedo, which then the media will call him a pedo, thus no one is 100% wrong because some people in this topic want to try and act like everyone has the same set of rules for crime.
 

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Sorry but for me what Zoe did is more morally reprehensible.
Ok, I get that for you it might be but seriously this is about infidelity in marriage where using fame to both get and send nude pictures to minors is involved.
Some video game journalist having sex with an indie game developer is nothing compared to that.

It is corruption. Sleeping with people to push up your career is not what a good person does.
This is one of the reasons I see it as an overreaction. Like, seriously talking about actual corruption when we are talking about some indie video games.
I'm not the one who first started to compare this to gamergate, and I assume those who did it first did it in favor of gamergate. I have only replied to people who first did the comparison.

Where I live it is legal to have a relationship with a 16 year old. Yeah it is weird and sort of pathetic but I've met 16 year olds more mature than some 30 years old so it all depends.
Yes it's legal in my country too. Ironically here it's not legal to show pornographic images to them (which is a category Jared's dick pics would fall into). While you can be in a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old, you can't send dick pics to them, nor you can receive nude pics from them. And it seems Jared did this to even someone who was under 16 (I guess this is not confirmed though).

An allegation of someone sending dick pics to minors is much more serious than an allegation of a video game developer fucking someone for a better review (and where both are adults).
 
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Unless his court considers him a Pedo, which then the media will call him a pedo, thus no one is 100% wrong because some people in this topic want to try and act like everyone has the same set of rules for crime.
No court would consider him a pedo for these crimes. That is a thing that just does not happen unless there is evidence he did that to pre-pubescent kids too. And even then it's not the court's job to make the decision to call him a pedophile.
 

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Something similar happened to another YouTuber recently (link).

Jones, from Illinois, had also admitted to using Facebook on around 30 other occasions to entice underage girls to send him explicit photos and videos.

This part seems pretty similar to what's happening with Jared. The girls in question were 'as young as 14 years old'.
 
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Ok, I get that for you it might be but seriously this is about infidelity in marriage where using fame to both get and send nude pictures to minors is involved.
Some video game journalist having sex with an indie game developer is nothing compared to that.



This is one of the reasons I see it as an overreaction. Like, seriously talking about actual corruption when we are talking about some indie video games.
I'm not the one who first started to compare this to gamergate, and I assume those who did it first did it in favor of gamergate. I have only replied to people who first did the comparison.



Yes it's legal in my country too. Ironically here it's not legal to show pornographic images to them (which is a category Jared's dick pics would fall into). While you can be in a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old, you can't send dick pics to them, nor you can receive nude pics from them. And it seems Jared did this to even someone who was under 16 (I guess this is not confirmed though).

An allegation of someone sending dick pics to minors is much more serious than an allegation of a video game developer fucking someone for a better review (and where both are adults).
I have a very open and non-taboo view of sex. If I'm honest for me whatever Zoe did or Jared did should be nobody's business. What I criticize is the hypocrisy and the usual difference in outrage from today's left prudish culture. It is the same shit that historically has happened with men accusing women of being sluts while they are more manly for having sex with many women. I thought the new social justice movements would bring actual justice and not this nonsense that looks more like a vengeful reversal of roles.

And it's pretty absurd that you can have a sexual relationship with a 16 year old and not send them naked pics. More of this prudish western absurdity surrounding sex. I deem corruption in general more damaging for society than sex with 16 year olds. Some european countries have more relaxed rules concerning sex with minors than the US and yet they have less sexual violence, less teen pregnancies, etc. In the end the problematic surrounding sex lies elsewhere other than being overly prudish and judging things through feelings rather than reason.
 

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Not really convincing argument. He’s a creep because he literally did illegal things. She cheated on him? Who cares? There’s a bad guy here and it’s pretty clear who it is.

Not really sure what the point of bringing up “me too” was either. That is entirely to do with him manipulating people. Not gonna feel sorry for a pedo because his ex is airing his dirty laundry
 
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No court would consider him a pedo for these crimes.
He will be considered a pedo in many courts if he's under 18, I've seen that happen to someone in MY state/county for under 18 but above 14 when I was helping out my sister.

This delusion that courts don't use "pedophile" is nonsense, the media has used pedophile for underaged girls and boys that aren't "pre-pubescent" if you want the word to stop being used write a letter, but pretending it doesn't happen or exist is just baffling. It's like some kind of defense force which comes off as creepy.
 

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I’m not defending pedophiles. In fact, as a parent, I don’t think there is anything worse than a pedophile. As far as I’m concerned, anybody who hurts children doesn’t deserve to live. Which is why I make the distinction between people who are pedophiles and people who aren’t. If I’m willing to label anybody as a pedophile, and seethe with contempt at their existence, then my morality becomes immorality.