Projared situation shows society giving Women a way out of crime with #metoo movement, despite the women being as terrible a person.

oagboghi2

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I replied to someone who compared this to gamergate. Was he wrong too?



Yeah, sure they aren't the same. This issue with Jared is MUCH more serious and would warrant double the seriousness the issue with Zoe and Nathan got.

I don't care if a game reviewer has sex with a game developer just as I don't care if a movie reviewer has sex with a movie director, especially when the reviewers even haven't reviewed the developer's or the director's game/movie. It's like blaming a teacher for having sex with a student when they aren't even in the same school or even in the same city.

Gamergate was an overreaction to two adults being promiscuous and the other being unfaithful in a relationship (where they weren't even married). The deal with Jared is far more serious as it involves minors (and is a case of actual adultery).
Okay it's great and all that you don't care, but your opinion doesn't really matter, does it?

If others feel like reviewers and developers having romantic relations compromises their integrity, that is their decision. You aren't involved, so what are you complaining about.

Gamergate wasnt about adultery or sex photos. You're trying to make a false equivalence to force a comparison that is disingenuous becuase you are butthurt about it. Get over yourself
 
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Okay it's great and all that you don't care, but your opinion doesn't really matter, does it?

If others feel like reviewers and developers having romantic relations compromises their integrity, that is their decision. You aren't involved, so what are you complaining about.

Gamergate wasnt about adultery or sex photos. You're trying to make a false equivalence to force a comparison that is disingenuous becuase you are butthurt about it. Get over yourself
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I did not make the comparison. Someone else did and I replied to him looking the comparison from another angle.

"Butthurt about it, get over yourself", lol, you are still that emotionally invested in Gamergate. It's been five years and it wasn't that important back then either.

I'm not involved in this Jared's case either. Does it mean I can't talk about it and give my opinion about it?
 

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I'm still waiting for proof. The only thing she's admitted to is that she knew her husband was giving and getting nudes. Learning some people were underage could have easily come after the fact, such as recently, seeing as everyone with his photos is now sharing them and sharing their stories.

Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?

Saying we should believe allegations that a woman did something wrong when there's no proof isn't any different than saying we should believe allegations that a man did something wrong when there's no proof.
You're trying to hard, a good chunk of youtube videos are already covering it, your on the defense force, you're not even doing research on it just instantly dimissing it.

It's also not that she "new" it's that she was well aware of "what" he was doing you're downplaying it. Not to mention even your dumbed down version of events is a red flag and makes her an idiot either way.
I'm not going to look for evidence to prove you right. That's now how this works. You're the one making the allegation, here.

Where is your proof that she knew anyone was underage until after the fact?
You're not looking for evidence at all. You're not even following the subject your defending. Please go and look at recent videos within the last 48 hours maybe some articles and then come back and stop doing this, thanks.

I just try to play by the same rules that I ask other people to play by. You've made an allegation, I simply asked for evidence, and you proceeded to tell me I'm trying too hard, that I'm on the defense force, that I'm instantly dismissing it, and that I'm downplaying it.

All because I asked for evidence.

Specifically because I asked you to share what evidence you've seen that makes you feel she knew some of the people he was messaging were underage. This is no different than how I think of anyone who is accused of something these days.

If you post a video or tweet that you've seen, I can look at that and reconsider my view. If you don't, and I go looking at newer videos and find nothing that changes my mind, I won't ever know what you saw that changed yours. It's really as simple as that.
 
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Seems frankly insane to blame his girlfriend on shit he did.

I mean take some fucking responsibility. She didn’t make him solicit pics. He did that.

Also saying “she knew about it yet said nothing” is a non argument because the only reason this is a thing is that she DID speak up about it
 
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A minor is someone who is under the age of full legal responsibility and is synonymous with a child, and youth.

Meaning Hebephilia and up to 17 years old with Ephebophilia (again 18 - 19 are considered adults) are synonymous with pedophilia.

This is how everyone, but you see it. So calling someone who preys on people of these ages a pedophile is not an incorrect statement/label.
Dude... our age requirements in the USA are completely arbitrary. They're so arbitrary that they somewhat frequently change. You would expect law professionals to tote these lines like they're in cement, but we're all human beings here with little vested interest in the upholding of something so arbitrary and prone to adjust with the times. You can easily conclude why the ages of consent in many states are coming down and why they were already lower in other modern countries.

And the reason is... @Sqorin Hammerfarf is not the only one who sees it that way. LOL

But more seriously, your argument above is just wrong. You even seem to be lumping interest in 18-19 years olds into the pedophilia category. I mean, honestly think about this... we're less than 200 years removed from the prime berthing ages being 14-18 years old--how do you think this was working for thousands of years??

And just so that I've over-communicated and you don't do something weird in this argument: I think what we've done socially with norms and expectations is just fine in that we should be encouraging and socially protecting teens so that they can get their higher education or vocational training and get started with their careers instead of making big dumb mistakes. I just happen to think it's awfully weird how within a span of a few decades we've reached this social tipping point where full grown adults sit around acting like finding 16-17 year olds attractive is weird and pedophile territory. Blame nature for that. People do not magically turn 18 or 21 or even 30 and just stop finding fully sexually developed humans attractive because of arbitrary age limitations.
 
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I ignored you because you said something ignorant and wrong.


So, even acknowledging that this is not, in fact, pedophilia, you believe that it is appropriate to call someone who is not a pedophile a pedophile, just because they are a sexual predator? The fact that you acknowledge you are wrong before stating this just makes the statement seem that much less convincing.

I don't know why this concept is so completely difficult for you people. Teenagers are not kids. We do not let kids have jobs or get driver's licenses. We don't let kids marry. We don't let kids. We do not let parents kick their kids out of the house, nor do we allow kids to voluntarily move out of the house. We let 16 year olds. They are becoming adults, and as such, we increase the amount of responsibilities we let them have as they move into adulthood. And this includes sexual responsibility and holding relationships.

There was a study not too long ago that showed that Millennials were putting off life milestones later than Gen X or Baby Boomers. They are driving later, finishing school later, getting jobs later, marrying later, owning house later, and yes, having sex later. So, it may very well be that Millennials have a warped sense of teenage sexuality, on account of them choosing not to. But I think, and I'm not alone in this belief, that this "late bloomer" attitude comes largely from not giving them responsibilities as early. We aren't letting them be adults as early as we should, and thus adolescence now lasts into the mid-twenties.

And I think this push to criminalize teen sexuality is part of this. We aren't allowing teenagers to make that transition to adulthood, and we are, in fact, outlawing it. That's nuts. Just like the mom who was arrested for letting his 8 year old go to the park unsupervised. I think if we trust them enough to put them behind the wheel of a two ton death machine, I think we can trust them on who they send naked pictures to on the internet. And they'll choose wrong. One of the prices of the freedom of choice is the freedom to choose wrongly. Learning how to deal with mistakes is also part of becoming an adult, and that, more than anything, is something we aren't allowing enough people to experience.

I think ProJared is a creep and sexual predator. I think what he did was wrong and immoral. But he's not a pedophile. And I think some of the responsibility of sending underaged nude pictures to him needs to be put on the people who actually sent it, not just the person who requested it. If they want to be treated as an adult, then they need to be treated as an adult in all ways, not just when it benefits them. You can't willingly send someone nudes and then claim that you are blameless in the act because you consider yourself a child.
I just wanted to quote this and give you a nod for taking up a very difficult stance on a very volatile and sensitive topic.

I can also personally vouch that my boomer parents deliberately tried to shield me from most, if not all, potentially life-impacting decisions as a teenager. I got no assistance in getting in behind the wheel of a car until I could afford to buy one--this meant I didn't even obtain a driver's license until I was into my 20's. My dad was 17 when he was old enough to buy HIS MOTHER a car as a gift to her. Times have changed.
 

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Seems frankly insane to blame his girlfriend on shit he did.

I mean take some fucking responsibility. She didn’t make him solicit pics. He did that.

Also saying “she knew about it yet said nothing” is a non argument because the only reason this is a thing is that she DID speak up about it
Agreed. The only somewhat jerkish thing would be if she was totally fine with it, knew all about what he was up to, even knew some of the teenagers online (ie. chatted with them, etc), and was now airing it out publicly for the sole purpose of hanging him out to dry. While she is well within her rights to do that, she is also well within her rights to implicate herself in the crimes, too. If she was aware of the crimes as they were being committed, she becomes an accomplice.

It would be incredibly tough to prove, of course, unless @Afro Republican has her confession somewhere that he can provide as evidence. I would assume that she wasn't that cool with it and would have most likely been unaware of exactly who he was getting nudes from.
 

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Because 16 year olds can consent?
Uhh...yes

16 year olds can drive, they can work, they can tried as an adult in some situations, in some areas they can even be married or have an abortion sans parental approval. Society views them with having far more responsibility than a 6 year old, for example, and thus you can make the argument they can give consent.

They are not seen as children. They aren't even called children. The word teenager exists for a reason.
 

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Uhh...yes

16 year olds can drive, they can work, they can tried as an adult in some situations, in some areas they can even be married or have an abortion sans parental approval. Society views them with having far more responsibility than a 6 year old, for example, and thus you can make the argument they can give consent.

They are not seen as children. They aren't even called children. The word teenager exists for a reason.
I've seen teenagers be called kids all the time, even 16 year olds. They're in the middle, between being a child and a young adult, so with that what makes you think they have the mental ability to consent when they're still immature? That's why the U.S. has age of consent laws and why you're tried as a sexual predator when you have intimate relationships with minors and can even get 10 years in prison.

16 year olds are still kids.
 

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I’m in my 40s and I call college students kids. Doesn’t mean they are kids. Doesn’t make me a pedophile if I admire their yoga pants.
 

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I've seen teenagers be called kids all the time, even 16 year olds. They're in the middle, between being a child and a young adult, so with that what makes you think they have the mental ability to consent when they're still immature? That's why the U.S. has age of consent laws and why you're tried as a sexual predator when you have intimate relationships with minors and can even get 10 years in prison.

16 year olds are still kids.
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"Each U.S. state has its own general age of consent. As of August 1, 2018, the age of consent in each state in the United States is either 16 years of age, 17 years of age, or 18 years of age. The most common age of consent is 16,[23] which is a common age of consent in most other Western countries. "

Age of majority is connected to your right to vote. Being below that age is what constitutes as a "minor". Even then you have laws that limit your access to alcohol or other things based on age. Heck, minors can be charged as adults in at least some places in the US. So you can indeed legally have sex with a minor in most western countries. People just confuse themselves by using terms like kids, because once you think about the basis for the terms and rights, then things become far more muddled. It's also a good way to attack a person, because the "kid" status puts one on the defensive. Though the term doesn't really attribute anything, as it's just a binary term and it's not like you magically change either mentally or physically the day you turn 18/21.
Even in the US 38 states have an age of consent lower than 18. So it's certainly not some odd thing.

In the end it all ends up whether you think a 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, etc. are mature/have the mental ability to consent. Generally these lines don't have a clear basis, and as age of majority used to be 20/21 in a lot of countries it's a subject that often depends on what one's accustomed to. There's a reason for age of consent laws, but the basis for the choice of ages aren't as clear. Heck, there might many arguments to raising the age of consent to much higher and it'll often depend on the yardstick for maturity or mental ability. In Norway there's been some crazy people suggesting to discriminate against men when it comes to getting their driver's license, because the heightened testosterone levels at 18 makes them more risk taking and supposed lack of maturity when they turn 18.

Edit: That said (to bring it closer to this topic) most places also have laws against taking or possessing sexually explicit pictures of minors though. I imagine it's especially because while consent to sex is something between a limited amount of people, pictures/porn is different as that places a larger burden on a person with something private being able to be spread outside of your control . So in this case if Jared has that, then I assume he's pretty screwed, unless there's some protections in terms of either being tricked or ignorance when it comes to the minor status.
 
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