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Project Phoenix: Squad-based RTS with Uematsu & industry veterans [Kickstarter Up]
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"It is within these tumultumous times that the troubled paladin Marcus Stern encounters Ruffles, an angel stricken with amnesia. Together with the elven princess Sylrianah, reserved but curious to see the world beyond the forest, and Zarum the Lost, a battlemage with his own internal conflicts, they form an unlikely bond. These four heroes must discover their place in a world brought to war by misunderstanding and ignorance, and perhaps ultimately even save it from itself."
This sounds like Eragon level writing.
This sounds like Eragon level writing.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
My five minute take:
+ Great to see Japanese indies period. Great to see Japanese devs leveraging global development and crowdfunding
+ Great to hear a substantial non-F2P game being worked on for mobile platforms
+ A few good names
+ Concept art looks great
+ Music sounds great
- The project goal seems like nonsense. Assuming no team members other than those already listed, that's $6,600 a team member. That's not going to sustain development for more than a month or two. Now admittedly some of these people are contractors, but still this is not going to be done for $100,000 so they obviously are either committing to make a game they don't have the capacity to make or they already have outside funding on the hook and this is sort of a scam advertisement. Not a big fan of that. The disclaimer provided in the Kickstarter is gibberish as well. Okay, so these people are all going to work for free on this project until it's completed? And no one will drop out or not be able to complete work in a timely fashion or have another professional obligation that interferes?
- Concept doesn't really sound interesting at all
- Stupid character names
It might have been better to maybe... uh... prove that all these people are willing to work for free by launching the Kickstarter when they actually had some game to show.
+ Great to see Japanese indies period. Great to see Japanese devs leveraging global development and crowdfunding
+ Great to hear a substantial non-F2P game being worked on for mobile platforms
+ A few good names
+ Concept art looks great
+ Music sounds great
- The project goal seems like nonsense. Assuming no team members other than those already listed, that's $6,600 a team member. That's not going to sustain development for more than a month or two. Now admittedly some of these people are contractors, but still this is not going to be done for $100,000 so they obviously are either committing to make a game they don't have the capacity to make or they already have outside funding on the hook and this is sort of a scam advertisement. Not a big fan of that. The disclaimer provided in the Kickstarter is gibberish as well. Okay, so these people are all going to work for free on this project until it's completed? And no one will drop out or not be able to complete work in a timely fashion or have another professional obligation that interferes?
- Concept doesn't really sound interesting at all
- Stupid character names
It might have been better to maybe... uh... prove that all these people are willing to work for free by launching the Kickstarter when they actually had some game to show.
In my experience, any PC game that is co-developed as an iOS/Android game ends up with a half-assed interface on PC. But developers have learned that iOS-exclusive games do terribly on Kickstarter so a token PC port is almost always offered.
Pretty much. I've given a lot to projects like Project Eternity and Dreamfall Chapters so I don't have a problem with giving money to established developers but this feels manufactured in comparison. It's sad to see because I would love a thriving Japanese independent/crowd-funded scene.
I'm unsure what to make about it.
To me, the essence of old school JRPGs are great characters, good story embedded in a charming world. The story writer thinks that "linear story" is a bad thing, which it isn't at all. Every good story is linear to a big degree. Linear story != Linear world.
Let the Steins; Gate guy write the story!
Artwork looks awesome, although the character seem to be very cliched; and yet again, teenager. :X
Where do all the teenager come from? On SNES you played man not boys for the most part.
Nowadays I hate chibis tho. :X Must be due to android/ios crap...
Anyway, Uematsu does the music so it's an insta back, but only at a low price point.
To me, the essence of old school JRPGs are great characters, good story embedded in a charming world. The story writer thinks that "linear story" is a bad thing, which it isn't at all. Every good story is linear to a big degree. Linear story != Linear world.
Let the Steins; Gate guy write the story!
Artwork looks awesome, although the character seem to be very cliched; and yet again, teenager. :X
Where do all the teenager come from? On SNES you played man not boys for the most part.
Nowadays I hate chibis tho. :X Must be due to android/ios crap...
Anyway, Uematsu does the music so it's an insta back, but only at a low price point.
Noooooooooooo don't you get it???? The $100k is just to make the 3D models they need! They're paying subcontractors to make those because 3D modelers are dishonorable and unprofessional people who actually demand MONEY for their work! Everyone else listed on the team so far are PROFESSIONALS, so they are willing to work for free until the project is done! That's why there is NO CHANCE of the game not being completed! I don't see why anyone is worried about this! Especially when the producer and director is a violinist and music industry manager who has zero game development experience! I'm sure there is NOTHING to be worried about! PROFESSIONALS!
stargateheaven
Member
the game is real time..
i dunno, to me, turn based will always be JRPG to me.
thats why im looking forward to ffx this year.
i dunno, to me, turn based will always be JRPG to me.
thats why im looking forward to ffx this year.
Blood Boal
Member
Dat Battle Theme....soooo GOOD!!
Loving everything of this project I hope this kickstarter succeed.
Loving everything of this project I hope this kickstarter succeed.
that as well.
Tho, I still want to see the game done. Hope everyone will chip in 20 bucks at least for the game itself. Already at 12%, so I doubt it'll fail to meet the goal.
I was about to post this, as I really did get the same vibe from the video. But at least this has some talented people behind it. More than I can say for Image Epoch.
Noooooooooooo don't you get it???? The $100k is just to make the 3D models they need! They're paying subcontractors to make those because 3D modelers are dishonorable and unprofessional people who actually demand MONEY for their work! Everyone else listed on the team so far are PROFESSIONALS, so they are willing to work for free until the project is done! That's why there is NO CHANCE of the game not being completed! I don't see why anyone is worried about this! Especially when the producer and director is a violinist and music industry manager who has zero game development experience! I'm sure there is NOTHING to be worried about! PROFESSIONALS!
This is the american way, those ones worked on Crysis and Halo, of course they want money, whereas the japaneses work for free !
Image Epoch had Niinou. He was pretty talented. Too bad the only Image Epoch game he directed which was localized was... Black Rock Shooter. Lol.
I can't say the same here though. They don't have a single game designer who I have faith will make a game which feels like a good JRPG. It... isn't even a JRPG!
"It is within these tumultumous times that the troubled paladin Marcus Stern encounters Ruffles, an angel stricken with amnesia. Together with the elven princess Sylrianah, reserved but curious to see the world beyond the forest, and Zarum the Lost, a battlemage with his own internal conflicts, they form an unlikely bond. These four heroes must discover their place in a world brought to war by misunderstanding and ignorance, and perhaps ultimately even save it from itself."
This sounds like Eragon level writing.
Duckroll is a mod with internal conflicts, so mysterious.
If it's not a JRPG, then why are you worried about them making a bad JRPG!?
Brb, forming an unlikely bond with Instro, a member who is reserved but curious to see the world beyond AnimeGAF.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Isn't Crysis German?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
"It is within these tumultumous times that the troubled paladin Marcus Stern encounters Ruffles, an angel stricken with amnesia. Together with the elven princess Sylrianah, reserved but curious to see the world beyond the forest, and Zarum the Lost, a battlemage with his own internal conflicts, they form an unlikely bond. These four heroes must discover their place in a world brought to war by misunderstanding and ignorance, and perhaps ultimately even save it from itself."
This sounds like Eragon level writing.
I don't know, it sounds like every Dragon Quest game ever to me and I like Dragon Quest.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Steffen Unger's enthusiasm is contagious. You can tell he is giving this project his all
I hope she has a distant cousin called Walkers.
We are well on our way to perhaps saving the world, maybe. Or getting kickstarter money.
They could have put together a better Kickstarter video. You know...maybe have some form of gameplay or something? All I hear are promises.
I'm not too concerned about anything else just yet, though. I get the story sounds generic and all with the amnesiac angel and the princess who wants to see the world, but I think that's the point. They're trying to make it a throwback or an archetype to most JRPGs, but they're trying to make it different enough to where it's enjoyable. How? I have no idea. Like I said, gameplay for something that sounds that generic would have been nice. Character design looks good, though.
Hopefully a lot of people support this. I want these guys to do well...mostly because of Uematsu and Yura. Either way, I'll need more of a sample size to go on with.
I'm not too concerned about anything else just yet, though. I get the story sounds generic and all with the amnesiac angel and the princess who wants to see the world, but I think that's the point. They're trying to make it a throwback or an archetype to most JRPGs, but they're trying to make it different enough to where it's enjoyable. How? I have no idea. Like I said, gameplay for something that sounds that generic would have been nice. Character design looks good, though.
Hopefully a lot of people support this. I want these guys to do well...mostly because of Uematsu and Yura. Either way, I'll need more of a sample size to go on with.
Do you need a strong silent type poster making up for past bans?
Don't forget Amirox, who has amnesia and forgotten that he was a mod.
Pinko Marx
Banned
And his best friend Jesus.
That's my primary issue with this project. And it's a huge one, particularly if it's the "scam advertisement" kind.
I'm not at all opposed to lobbing unreasonable amounts of money at kickstarter projects, but only if they are genuine in their goals and requirements.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Wait....this is a RTS game...not even a JRPG?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Vaughan Smith doesn't even appear in the L.A. Noire credits according to MobyGames. WTF.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
According to his resume, he was a member of the L.A. Noire QA team.
There's nothing wrong with starting in QA and working your way up. It is rather sketchy to try to paint him as some industry veteran responsible for the success of a major game though.
Elfforkusu
Member
I don't think people from all these different genre of games can deliver what they want to do.
The game designer that worked on LA Noire, The Art Director that worked on FF games, the lead 3D modeler that worked on the Halo and Crysis series and the soundtrack will be done by Uematsu. I will also ignore the fact they throw Diablo 3, Tenchu and Skyrim on their resume too. What a mix :/
Donna Burke is involved and that's really cool I guess.
There is also this jewel in the pitch :
Imageepoch style!
Goal seems ridiculously low for the game they want to make. Concept art screen looks bad too.
God luck for them though.
The game designer that worked on LA Noire, The Art Director that worked on FF games, the lead 3D modeler that worked on the Halo and Crysis series and the soundtrack will be done by Uematsu. I will also ignore the fact they throw Diablo 3, Tenchu and Skyrim on their resume too. What a mix :/
Donna Burke is involved and that's really cool I guess.
There is also this jewel in the pitch :
Imageepoch style!
Goal seems ridiculously low for the game they want to make. Concept art screen looks bad too.
God luck for them though.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
They list 6 artist leads/directors/supervisors under the staff & yet they need to raise money to hire artists to actually make the 3D game assets. It's like everyone wants to be in charge, but no one wants to actually do the work.
Well, that's legitimate since they're working on it for free/in their spare time... they get to use their talent for the fun part.
Thus, the need for money for the grunt work.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
The only way something like this could possibly work is if the free staff is fully commited & dedicated to the game; not if they're treating it as a hobby & just doing the "fun part."
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Yeah that sounds sketchy
As far as I can see the only actual game veterans are Kiyoshi Arai and Nobuo Uematsu, and as good as their art and music are, they couldn't save FF XIV 1.0, so I'm really not sure what to think about this project.Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Whoops, wrong thread.
rockmanjoe
Member
All I want is depth in the gameplay (combat / character customization / good job systems) and exploration. Couldn't care less about the story. If it has that, then great.
Not convinced, things have changed in recent years. I guess we'll see further down the line though.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
"we're reviving JRPG!"
*makes a RTS*
And seems like iOS and Android version will be quite different?. Sounds like they're doing a separate version rather than just using iOS as base, which is what probably what are they doing.