Romulus
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Project Xcloud demo of Halo 5 nearly indistinguishable from local play
Only a few ms of additional input latency when streaming to a smartphone.
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Project XCloud tested in Halo 5
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Night.Ninja
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i would get a switch if i could stream to it
Chittagong
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Good lord, what kind of wizardry is that?!
To be clear, I can play my current Xbone library on Xcloud at XBX performance, and my home game saves carry over?
To be clear, I can play my current Xbone library on Xcloud at XBX performance, and my home game saves carry over?
FearlessBelgian
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"Project xCloud demo of Halo 5 nearly indistinguishable from local play"
Maybe because it was local gameplay ?...
Microsoft are real liars ... Always be wary with them ...
Maybe because it was local gameplay ?...
Microsoft are real liars ... Always be wary with them ...
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Game streaming results are based on all types of factors including the compression/decompression tech software/hardware, image size being compressed, number of hops, speed between all the hops, bandwidth, distance, etc. Even when you stream on your own local network you will see input latency, and image compression issues.
Let's put it this way Epic had to move Switch Fortnite users to their own pool group because the Switch was rendering one less frame every 33ms.
For the record, I don't think game streaming is the worse thing in the world, but to me its going to be a lessor quality generally speaking and really is just a tool to use in a pinch for single player games.
Let's put it this way Epic had to move Switch Fortnite users to their own pool group because the Switch was rendering one less frame every 33ms.
For the record, I don't think game streaming is the worse thing in the world, but to me its going to be a lessor quality generally speaking and really is just a tool to use in a pinch for single player games.
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Romulus
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"Project xCloud demo of Halo 5 nearly indistinguishable from local play"
Maybe because it was local gameplay ?...
Microsoft are real liars ... Always be wary with them ...
Zooming in on the right side of the pic looks suspicious up close. Appears to have been photoshopped. Not that MS is some holy company but that looks way off.
Superkewl
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Wait until it uses the external internet
My thinking exactly. Lets see how it does when it's out in the wild, and not in their picture perfect lab environment.
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a multicultural team of v
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so someone on THAT OTHER website did some math and if the server is 400 miles away (which is apparently what they said?) then they have broken the laws of physics
CyberPanda
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Cool.
ResilientBanana
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This picture is from an E3 event when Xbox One only had Devkits available. I'm not sure what this is proof of."Project xCloud demo of Halo 5 nearly indistinguishable from local play"
Maybe because it was local gameplay ?...
Microsoft are real liars ... Always be wary with them ...
Vasto
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Shin
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It's proof of stupidity.
Just a simple ping packet to the Azure in Virginia I am getting in the 45-90ms range (with spikes above 100ms) for latency, this is just small ping packets, plus you add latency within azure as that is probably the outside, the input has to be taken and processed, the image than has to be compressed, travel back to the client, decompressed.
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Its not against the laws of physic to travel that far but depending on the number hops i.e. latency is real and isn't going away.
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We use streaming on local network and there is noticeable input lag and image compression issue. I find all of this pretty hilarious, Google is trying to sell a service for gaming but the video they show up from youtube are of horrible quality.
Slings and Arrows
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Power of the cloud 2: Streaming boogaloo
Starfield
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Google Stadias reveal was so shit lmao. The stream constantly stopped and dropped the quality to 240p and had so much lag
a multicultural team of v
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Well right, but i meant that for a streaming solution to apparently add only 4ms of lag is impossible, because the speed of light would take longer to go to the server and back on a straight line, let aline through fiber, switches, and servers.Just a simple ping packet to the Azure in Virginia I am getting in the 45-90ms range (with spikes above 100ms) for latency, this is just small ping packets, plus you add latency within azure as that is probably the outside, the input has to be taken and processed, the image than has to be compressed, travel back to the client, decompressed.
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Its not against the laws of physic to travel that far but depending on the number hops i.e. latency is real and isn't going away.
If they are saying the inputs are going to a remote server 400 miles away (over say 5-10 hops) being processed in, image is being compressed sent back, decompressed locally in 4ms, yeah, that's a whole level of bullshit.
Hendrick's
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Because game streaming is the devil.
Elder Legend
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I've played Halo 5: Guardians on Project X Cloud yesterday at the Xbox Showcase. After that I had an interview with one of the members of the Xbox Backwards Comptability team, which is the same team that handled Project X Cloud as well dome stuff for Project Scarlett. If you have any questions feel free to ask and I'll go back to my audio recording of the interview and see what I can grab from it. I have a guy working on the transcript as we speak and will post the full thing later today
Overall, from the 5 minutes I've played I was pretty amazed. The phones were using the Data Centers over st San Fransisco if I remember correctly. There was 0 lag and for an FPS game it would be noticable easily if there was or was not. Traversing the 2nd level of Halo 5: Guardians felt very smooth and equivalent to Xbox One. The game did not stutter one bit and was running at silky smooth 60FPS on an Android phone. It was kind of surreal if you ask me.
After playing this I am a full on believer and was skeptical at first.
At this point the only thing I have yet too see is how this would function with my current internet and my closest Data Center and I live on the East Coast so I am not sure what Data Center they have closest to Florida. Either way, I cannot wait for this personally. Thankfully. I have a Fiber connection with 1 gig download and upload so I am not too worried about that.
Overall, from the 5 minutes I've played I was pretty amazed. The phones were using the Data Centers over st San Fransisco if I remember correctly. There was 0 lag and for an FPS game it would be noticable easily if there was or was not. Traversing the 2nd level of Halo 5: Guardians felt very smooth and equivalent to Xbox One. The game did not stutter one bit and was running at silky smooth 60FPS on an Android phone. It was kind of surreal if you ask me.
After playing this I am a full on believer and was skeptical at first.
At this point the only thing I have yet too see is how this would function with my current internet and my closest Data Center and I live on the East Coast so I am not sure what Data Center they have closest to Florida. Either way, I cannot wait for this personally. Thankfully. I have a Fiber connection with 1 gig download and upload so I am not too worried about that.
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Nikana
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Was the demo only on phones?
DeepEnigma
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At the time they weren't even devkits. They were full blown PCs. Xbox uses AMD not nVidia, Samsung not Corsair.
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If you are not experiencing latency than you either don't notice such things or you're in a simulation.
Even the microsoft progranda site Comedy Center said there is noticeable lag, why? Physics. We notice lag when streaming on our own network, meaning 1 hop i.e. less than 5ms latency. Your experience is not unusual, same thing was said by people that tried Stadia, some people that don't care about lag say its not a big deal, but as soon as you play a MP game or a game that requires precise controls - you will notice.
I'm not saying people can't enjoy it for what it is, I do occasionally remote play in a pinch for short periods of time.
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xStoyax
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Were you on Wifi or hardwired cause a lot of reviewers say Microsoft had to hardwire them to get it to work well
ResilientBanana
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Even still, it doesn't matter to this day.
Elder Legend
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It was hardwired they confirmed during my play session when I asked. They did say the day before they were running off Wi-fi but due to the massive amount of people at E3 and massive web traffic because of that they started having some issues which makes total sense.
They also admitted that a hardwired connection will always be better no matter what when I asked them in regards to wired versus Wi-fi (I already knew this, but wanted to hear and see if they would dodge it or be honest, which in this case they were honest and told the truth which is a good thing and I respect)
However, they said in the comfort of your own home where there are not a massive amounts of people you should be okay with Wi-fi depending on your internet connection as well and how close the data center is.
They've said this is always an going process that is constantly being worked on and will be improved as time goes.
That's what game streaming companies have been saying for a decade. Wait till you put that streaming image on a modern full-screen at 30-100 inches instead of a 5-6 inch phone, all the artifacts will start to be noticed and the latency even more so.
Elder Legend
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At the booth that I was yes. They had a different game on each phone. Forza Horizon 4, Gears of War 4, Halo 5: Guardians, Halo Wars 2 and Hellblade. I played Halo 5 because it was the most easy game to notice if there was any lag or latency problems which in my case there were not.
If you are saying there is no lag, not sure whether to trust you with anything as far as your opinion going forward. Its not really an opinion, its an opinion as whether the lag is acceptable to you but to say there is no lag is just factually incorrect.
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LordOfChaos
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Still going to wait on some home testing, don't know where they put the server here or if it wasn't a direct line. It's undoubtedly going to be more variable with variable distances to the server, shared lines, etc etc.
Elder Legend
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I could care less whether you trust me or not to be honest. I am telling and expressing my personal experience with Project X Cloud. If you have a problem with that you can kindly go on ignore list because its quite obvious you are grasping for straws. Much love <3
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xStoyax
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No ones gonna be hardwiring their phones at home
I never said that wasn't your personal experience, its just that your personal experience isn't very trust worthy as you apparently think there is no lag, so if you can't perceive lag like normal people.... why would anyone trust you as to whether the lag is acceptable or not?
I'm grasping at straws, its called science. Everyone else is reporting lag.... duhhhhhhh, and than they offer their opinion as to whether the lag is acceptable or not.... you on the other hand believe there is no lag. There is lag for displays even, some displays are not going to acceptable to everyone for latency and gaming.... same thing... its not whether or not there is lag.... that is a given.... its whether the lag is acceptable.
I've tried quite a few of the services over the years, I would say most of them are acceptable if one isn't paying for it, and its a single player game and doesn't require precise controlling.... but I would lying my ass off if I were to say there is no lag.... why? because that is impossible.
Most people on normal connections are going to be running 50-150ms lag on top of their existing setup.
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LostDonkey
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Posting a 6 year old picture from E3 before the consoles were even out trying to shit on something lol.
Smh
Smh
Ol'Scratch
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Not a fan actually. Total myth.
Lort
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Every game has lag he means no more noticeable lag than normal obviously lol
Heinrich
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"Project xCloud demo of Halo 5 nearly indistinguishable from local play"
Maybe because it was local gameplay ?...
Microsoft are real liars ... Always be wary with them ...
are you getting paid by Sony to spread this FUD bullshit?
Slings and Arrows
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Even if streaming works, I don't get what the need or demand is. Play games on a console or PC, I don't see why we need to stream? All it will do is alienate your consumers who can't stream due to internet restrictions.
If only all this time, effort and money was put in to VR instead.
Microsoft are yet again making the HD-DVD (streaming) when the Blu-ray exists (VR)
If only all this time, effort and money was put in to VR instead.
Microsoft are yet again making the HD-DVD (streaming) when the Blu-ray exists (VR)
Well, streaming technically works, and to be honest its been working for a decade+. I agree with your point though, meaning there really isn't any demand... countless services have been around for 10+ years now.
Companies were overselling game streaming 10 years ago and losing money, they're overselling it today and losing money.
Tesseract
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once 5/6g arrive, latency issues are basically over, packet loss however will remain a threat
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Aintitcool
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Not one post mentioned the 5G potential. At best speed 5G can beat wifi.
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LordOfChaos
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I dig it. I wonder if they're trying to go for a single controller that works with Scarlet but can also be split to work on a phone/tablet for streaming, that would be nice.
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