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Protests escalate in Hong Kong, violent clashes with police

EviLore

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Hong Kong police have once again clashed with anti-government protesters as the city enters its 10th week of mass demonstrations and unrest.

Police fired tear gas across the city on Sunday night, including into an enclosed railway station.

In the Wan Chai district, petrol bombs and bricks were thrown at riot police who responded by charging at protesters with batons.

A number of people, including a police officer, were injured in the clashes.

Police were also filmed firing rubber bullets at close range inside a subway station, while other officers were seen beating people with batons on an escalator.

Two months of demonstrations sparked by a controversial extradition bill show no signs of abating, with both sides hardening their stance.


 

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It's a good thing journalists are still there. Chilling footage.

I don't know if China will escalate past non-lethal force with this much public visibility after decades of trying to cover up the Tian'anmen square massacre.
 

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It's a good thing journalists are still there. Chilling footage.

I don't know if China will escalate past non-lethal force with this much public visibility after decades of trying to cover up the Tian'anmen square massacre.
You think the U.N could use a violent scenario as leverage against China, in order to get it to play more fairly? If so, would they have the guts to?
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You think the U.N could use a violent scenario as leverage against China, in order to get it to play more fairly? If so, would they have the guts to?
:pie_thinking:
I think China can just veto most stuff, as one of the five permanent members of the security council. But I'm absolutely not a UN expert.

P.S. The blue lights you see in some of the videos are supposedly laser pointers the protesters use to obscure facial recognition. Pretty insane.


 
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7.3 million people live in Hong Kong. Just 1.3 million shy of the total population of New York City.

I really don't want to see them fall to the Communists. I don't think we can evacuate them all in time but I would definitely support some kind of effort to help them stand their ground.
 
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Crazy stuff.

Is the reason behind the peaceful protests because if they retaliate with force China will say fuck it and start killing?

It's hard watching the police using so much force on peaceful protesters and the protesters not retaliating in anyway. Heck, even those gangs that are going after them while the police stand by and watch aren't met with any sort of retaliation that I've seen at least.
 

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I wish Hong Kong residents the best, fuck China. I hope the citizens can push China to capitulate. All the corrupt ass Hong Kong politicians should be rounded up and punished for aiding and abetting the Chinese communists.
 

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In the 90s a bunch of Cantonese speakers moved to my city before the china handover of the city. Enough that my best friends were all 2nd generation hk. I can even speak some very basic Cantonese as a result.

That was a long time ago and nowadays all the Chinese immigrants to my city speak Manderin of course.

Will the Chinese government use force? Look to 1989 for your answer. But HK is not Tiananmen Square. There will be a terrible price to be paid to pacify Hong Kong. These people are essentially First World Free World citizens -- at least they were until the end of the century and most still feel this way ideologically.

You have to understand most HK residents are a minority compared to the majority Hans in China. But in HK is always been a majority Cantonese. That's been changing thanks to lots of Immigration from the mainland (par the course for china with minorities flooding ethnic conclaves with Manderin/Hans).

Anyways, most HK residents consider themselves different from China, a first world enclave with freedoms the rest of us in the Free World take for granted. They will not go down and lose their freedoms without a bloody price.
 
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In the 90s a bunch of Cantonese speakers moved to my city before the china handover of the city. Enough that my best friends were all 2nd generation hk. I can even speak some very basic Cantonese as a result.

That was a long time ago and nowadays all the Chinese immigrants to my city speak Manderin of course.

Will the Chinese government use force? Look to 1989 for your answer. But HK is not Tiananmen Square. There will be a terrible price to be paid to pacify Hong Kong. These people are essentially First World Free World citizens -- at least they were until the end of the century and most still feel this way ideologically.

You have to understand most HK residents are a minority compared to the majority Hans in China. But in HK is always been a majority Cantonese. That's been changing thanks to lots of Immigration from the mainland (par the course for china with minorities flooding ethnic conclaves with Manderin/Hans).

Anyways, most HK residents consider themselves different from China, a first world enclave with freedoms the rest of us in the Free World take for granted. They will not go down and lose their freedoms without a bloody price.
I'm actually surprised theres been seemingly no calls to offer the people of HK refuge, especially here in the UK.

Their culture is indeed as western as you can get in the Far East, and like you say, it's not like we dont have history of them coming here and integrating quite successfully into western culture (I too had family friends that were immigrants from HK growing up).

As much as I want to support their fight against China, we all know they can't win, that China will inevitably crack down harder and harder until they inevitably cross the line into atrocity. Just standing by and not offering them a way out before it's too late, even if I'm sure many won't take it and will literally fight to the death, just feels incredibly immoral.
 
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My wife lives with me now, in Australia, but her family is still all in HK. They have had to take long ass routes to avoid the violence and to get home safely. Its really worrying though that some time they might find themselves in direct danger :(
 

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I'm actually surprised theres been seemingly no calls to offer the people of HK refuge, especially here in the UK.

Their culture is indeed as western as you can get in the Far East, and like you say, it's not like we dont have history of them coming here and integrating quite successfully into western culture (I too had family friends that were immigrants from HK growing up).

As much as I want to support their fight against China, we all know they can't win, that China will inevitably crack down harder and harder until they inevitably cross the line into atrocity. Just standing by and not offering them a way out before it's too late, even if I'm sure many won't take it and will literally fight to the death, just feels incredibly immoral.
I guarantee you they would all vote as conservative as possible.
 

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Yellow vest protests still ongoing in France. People actually killed and mamed there. Nobody cares. Give it time.

India sent 30,000 troops, placed the entire Muslim population of Kashmir under house arrest and dissolved their government. Nobody cares.

Give it time and western media will lose interest in Hong Kong. The protestors are also alienating the population there by interfering with every day life and getting to work. This is being megaphoned because it is in US interests to tarnish China. But ultimately money speaks louder than protests. Hong Kong is ultimately a tiny fish in a big pond. The entire dissident population could be sent to re-education camps tomorrow, replaced by mainlanders and few would notice, the elite control the finance sector and hong kong trillions, and they are pro-Beijing. Hong Kong produces nothing, it only buys from mainland suppliers and sells at a markup then acts as a tax haven for the revenue. That will continue with or without the thousands currently protesting.
 
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Protesters like this are calling for violence - pretty scary stuff.

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Right now, I think what started as a decent and peaceful protest has begun to evolve into something akin to Antifa. Black is the uniform of choice and of course, the faces are covered.

Asian countries are obviously influenced a lot by media like the BBC and CNN and they are beginning to emulate the worst parts of outrage culture. Blocking the airport, cancelling flights and ensuring tourists and bystanders cannot get on with their daily business is not a good way to further their cause.
 
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Protesters like this are calling for violence - pretty scary stuff.

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Right now, I think what started as a decent and peaceful protest has begun to evolve into something akin to Antifa. Black is the uniform of choice and of course, the faces are covered.

Asian countries are obviously influenced a lot by media like the BBC and CNN and they are beginning to emulate the worst parts of outrage culture. Blocking the airport, cancelling flights and ensuring tourists and bystanders cannot get on with their daily business is not a good way to further their cause.
I actually think it's kind of insulting to compare HK's people's fight to keep their culture and freedom from being erased by the Chinese communist government to bloody Antifa.

Their lives and liberties mean literally nothing to the people they're fighting, and we all know that if they thought they could get away with it, the Chinese government would murder, kidnap and 're-educate' the whole island without batting an eyelid.

Theres a very good chance that they'll be a breaking point in the conflict for the Chinese side, or they'll engineer an excuse or cover for doing so, and that's exactly what will happen, regardless of how 'bad' it'll look. We may well be looking at the last stand of Hong Kong as we know it, and as it's citizens want it.

Comparing that to thuggish authoritarian terrorists, just because Antifa are using tactics ordinarily used in actually justified armed resistance to an oppressive regime, is ridiculous.
 
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Protesters like this are calling for violence - pretty scary stuff.

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Right now, I think what started as a decent and peaceful protest has begun to evolve into something akin to Antifa. Black is the uniform of choice and of course, the faces are covered.

Asian countries are obviously influenced a lot by media like the BBC and CNN and they are beginning to emulate the worst parts of outrage culture. Blocking the airport, cancelling flights and ensuring tourists and bystanders cannot get on with their daily business is not a good way to further their cause.
This is absolutely nothing like Antifa. For starters, they’re facing actual oppression.
 

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Crazy stuff.

Is the reason behind the peaceful protests because if they retaliate with force China will say fuck it and start killing?
Absolutely.
If they become violent, no one in chineese government will lose any sleep of sending an order "run a few hundred over with tanks and the rest should fall in line."

I mean, this is a country where they today, openly, keep 1milion people in re-education camps, soviet style.
They don't give a shit what western liberals think about what they do. They wont give a shit about what the west will think or say after they roll tanks over a few hundred troublemakers.
The didn't last time. Wont give a shit this time either.

This is the country that liberals, feminists and other pedophiles want to replace the western society with.
 

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I actually think it's kind of insulting to compare HK's people's fight to keep their culture and freedom from being erased by the Chinese communist government to bloody Antifa.

Their lives and liberties mean literally nothing to the people they're fighting, and we all know that if they thought they could get away with it, the Chinese government would murder, kidnap and 're-educate' the whole island without batting an eyelid.

Theres a very good chance that they'll be a breaking point in the conflict for the Chinese side, or they'll engineer an excuse or cover for doing so, and that's exactly what will happen, regardless of how 'bad' it'll look. We may well be looking at the last stand of Hong Kong as we know it, and as it's citizens want it.

Comparing that to thuggish authoritarian terrorists, just because Antifa are using tactics ordinarily used in actually justified armed resistance to an oppressive regime, is ridiculous.
There's an anarchist element to the protests that is clearly (to me) western/Antifa influenced:



Defacing/destroying flags, symbols of China and the HK council building:







The protester promo video says:

"Hong Kongers must now all stand up against the fascist rule of the Government" i.e. we are the anti fascists.

As I said, what started as a peaceful movement, I think has started to become infiltrated by some bad actors.

About two weeks back, I remember it was people picking up bricks in the road to stop traffic moving. It escalated quickly to full on road blocks with railings and people stopping metro trains. Now it's disruption of the airport.
 
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There's an anarchist element to the protests that is clearly (to me) western/Antifa influenced:



Defacing/destroying flags, symbols of China and the HK council building:







The protester promo video says:

"Hong Kongers must now all stand up against the fascist rule of the Government" i.e. we are the anti fascists.

As I said, what started as a peaceful movement, I think has started to become infiltrated by some bad actors.

About two weeks back, I remember it was people picking up bricks in the road to stop traffic moving. It escalated quickly to full on road blocks with railings and people stopping metro trains. Now it's disruption of the airport.
You've seriously put the cart before the horse on this one.

Antifa didn't invent violent protest or civil unrest (nor is anything they're doing inherently western), everything they do is just apeing historical acts of resistance/revolution/terrorism that have been inacted against hated regimes for over a century. The difference is they're spoilt little twats playing at being anarchistic or socialist revolutionaries out of ignorance and narcissism.

What's happening in HK is the real version of what Antifa play acts as.
 

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There's an anarchist element to the protests that is clearly (to me) western/Antifa influenced:



Defacing/destroying flags, symbols of China and the HK council building:







The protester promo video says:

"Hong Kongers must now all stand up against the fascist rule of the Government" i.e. we are the anti fascists.

As I said, what started as a peaceful movement, I think has started to become infiltrated by some bad actors.

About two weeks back, I remember it was people picking up bricks in the road to stop traffic moving. It escalated quickly to full on road blocks with railings and people stopping metro trains. Now it's disruption of the airport.
They are just in denial, hong kong is lost. Anybody with property or money should leave it right now and bail out as fast as possible to a western country.

That's what you get when the "white west" that people hate so much moves away. All your morals and politics are gone and they will realize real quick how fast there freedoms aren't tolerated anymore.

I think china is just testing waters to see how they can assimilate that city in the fastest way possible. I would not be shocked if we see tanks go into that city at the end of the year or next year.

Maybe we could send extreme left western people toward hong kong to live there dream. Sounds like the real utopia those people. "living the dream".
 
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Maybe we could send extreme left western people toward hong kong to live there dream. Sounds like the real utopia those people. "living the dream".
A fantastic idea, maybe all those morons carrying Soviet flags and calling for Communism will go help suppress all these people who want freedom. I mean Chinese dissenters are simply wrong in the western goofs mind
 
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I'm sure our resident communist on this board has something to add to this discussion, yes?

This situation is a powder keg, and could have far reaching implications. This is a situation the United States needs to be deeply involved in.

China must be dealt with at all costs, and this situation is the perfect opportunity to expose, and cripple China in front of the world if done correctly.
 
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The people in HK are fighting an actual fascist government. CCP is not communist they are fascists.

ANTIFA is cosplaying. Trump is not fascist nor is the US government. ANTIFA bitches would probably go cry in their purple haired SJW cucked polynamours GF if they saw a Chinese soldier.
 

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I'm sure our resident communist on this board has something to add to this discussion, yes?

This situation is a powder keg, and could have far reaching implications. This is a situation the United States needs to be deeply involved in.

China must be dealt with at all costs, and this situation is the perfect opportunity to expose, and cripple China in front of the world if done correctly.

Nope. This is not America's problem and not our business. America needs to be winding down all involvement with foreign wars and blocking immigration, period.

Plus, US involvement is about the worst thing that could happen here. Right now the world sees the protesters as heroic and righteous. If this turned into another dirty CIA operation, the protests would lose all legitimacy.
 

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There's an anarchist element to the protests that is clearly (to me) western/Antifa influenced:



Defacing/destroying flags, symbols of China and the HK council building:







The protester promo video says:

"Hong Kongers must now all stand up against the fascist rule of the Government" i.e. we are the anti fascists.

As I said, what started as a peaceful movement, I think has started to become infiltrated by some bad actors.

About two weeks back, I remember it was people picking up bricks in the road to stop traffic moving. It escalated quickly to full on road blocks with railings and people stopping metro trains. Now it's disruption of the airport.
Was it ever investigated whether those were actually protestors or government actors? When this had occurred there were a lot of questions raised as to who these people were.
 

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Uh-oh. All departing flights at HKG airport, eighth busiest airport in the world, have been grounded. Tens of thousands of protesters are occupying the airport in response to police brutality.



 

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Nope. This is not America's problem and not our business. America needs to be winding down all involvement with foreign wars and blocking immigration, period.

Plus, US involvement is about the worst thing that could happen here. Right now the world sees the protesters as heroic and righteous. If this turned into another dirty CIA operation, the protests would lose all legitimacy.
It's definitely an American problem. China is waging a silent war against the West.



They're not going to stop with Hong Kong. The entire world is next.

 

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It's definitely an American problem. China is waging a silent war against the West.



They're not going to stop with Hong Kong. The entire world is next.

Firefly/Serenity were predictive programming.

There is a reason the establishment oligarchs running their MSM narrative want to distract everyone to Russia, while they have been shaking hands and lining their pockets with China for decades.
 
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It's definitely an American problem. China is waging a silent war against the West.



They're not going to stop with Hong Kong. The entire world is next.


Agreed but this has nothing to do with the Hong Kong situation. To stop Chinese infiltration of colleges all we have to do is end immigration and student visas from China.
 
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China hasnt been comunist for 40yrs, and has opposed it since 78. deng was never a comunist, or maoist. he was an opportunist, but at the heart, he was a kapitalist, and thats today's china is for free trade. remember when deng took over. he visited the us, and singapore. hardly countries a real comunist would visit first. the reality of it is, china began arresting comunists as early as 67. by 71, kisinger was in china, meaning that comunism was about to end real quick.
 

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China hasnt been comunist for 40yrs, and has opposed it since 78. deng was never a comunist, or maoist. he was an opportunist, but at the heart, he was a kapitalist, and thats today's china is for free trade. remember when deng took over. he visited the us, and singapore. hardly countries a real comunist would visit first. the reality of it is, china began arresting comunists as early as 67. by 71, kisinger was in china, meaning that comunism was about to end real quick.
Yet they threw a huge birthday bash for Karl Marx.


Whether or not they want to practice "real" communism or not, they are hella sympathetic to the cause.

If they were more like Modern Russia, who are antagonistic but not a direct successor to the USSR, I wouldn't mind. But China still maintains one party rule, the government has a complete crackdown of society, they are for all intents and purposes, keeping the Communist legacy going.
 
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Things coming to an edge.
At least they did not keep any organ harvesting vans in the convoy. Maybe that is what they meant with "do not mistake our restraint with weakness".

EDIT: My guess, they will round them up, use the trucks to ship them off to the re-education camps they already have plenty of in the far west part of the country and then never be heard of again.
 
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Things coming to an edge.
At least they did not keep any organ harvesting vans in the convoy. Maybe that is what they meant with "do not mistake our restraint with weakness".

EDIT: My guess, they will round them up, use the trucks to ship them off to the re-education camps they already have plenty of in the far west part of the country and then never be heard of again.
Not good.
 

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Things coming to an edge.
At least they did not keep any organ harvesting vans in the convoy. Maybe that is what they meant with "do not mistake our restraint with weakness".

EDIT: My guess, they will round them up, use the trucks to ship them off to the re-education camps they already have plenty of in the far west part of the country and then never be heard of again.
If the shit hits the fan, I really wonder what Trump's response is going to be.
 

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China hasnt been comunist for 40yrs, and has opposed it since 78. deng was never a comunist, or maoist. he was an opportunist, but at the heart, he was a kapitalist, and thats today's china is for free trade. remember when deng took over. he visited the us, and singapore. hardly countries a real comunist would visit first. the reality of it is, china began arresting comunists as early as 67. by 71, kisinger was in china, meaning that comunism was about to end real quick.
Exactly. China I guess is as communist as Nazi Germany was. Its a fascist one party state, probably the closest thing we have to Nazi Germany barring NK.

Like everything in China they have copied and stolen from the USSR communist imagery, but they don't follow the reality behind it. These types of images are coming back more and more in China compared to the last decade (you will see lots of sickles and red) but its just for image purposes. CCP likes the authoritarian and one party rule from communisim, but thats about it.

Its all PR, being a "communist" goverment is an easier sell then being a fascist one. Useful leftist idiots will still defend a commie, but a fascist is even a bridge too far for them.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-terrorism-hong-kong-protests-1453894 Guys the US is funding Terrorists to overthrow a regime again - China
China always blames the US. Chinese people will go out in droves and smash their Iphones to show how anti-US they are. US is the boogeyman.
 
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If the shit hits the fan, I really wonder what Trump's response is going to be.
If the shit hits the fan:
Then if he comments at all (which he is likely to do) he will absolutely condemn China.
I mean, does anyone think he will go out and praise their display of strength and determinism? Not even the worst TDS patient would believe that.

The bigger question would be how would it be spun to be Orange man bad, Chinese country innocent victim.