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Protests escalate in Hong Kong, violent clashes with police

Vow

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what are they demonstrating against?
They were demonstrating against the extradition bill which they succeeded in getting indefinitely paused. Now they’re waving American flags and saying they need the 2nd amendment.

While there was a genuine reason for the protest it’s now been overshot.
 
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They were demonstrating against the extradition bill which they succeeded in getting indefinitely paused. Now they’re waving American flags and saying they need the 2nd amendment.

While there was a genuine reason for the protest it’s now been overshot.
I think the main reason they want to protest is to tell China to "fuck off" and get worldwide attention while doing so. So they still have a good reason to protest from their point of view.
 

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I think the main reason they want to protest is to tell China to "fuck off" and get worldwide attention while doing so. So they still have a good reason to protest from their point of view.
Exactly. For as much crap as the United States gets, and the inherent problems we have becuase of our rights, other countries peoples envy our freedoms and see how powerful the United States is, Because of those freedoms.

Other countries governments are fearful of the United States and our freedoms because in this day and age, and freedom of movement, and the internet, they know their own people can see just how much power the 2nd amendment affords in letting the government know, "Its going to be hell" if they push hard.

I am absolutely proud to see citizens of Hong Kong wave the American flag not because it's my flag, but because of what it represents. It's awesome, and anything that flies in the face of a communist, authoritarian, socialist, or fascist regime is something worth fighting for, and I support it 100%.

To bad if it upsets some who want order with an iron fist.

You better believe it absolutely Infuriates the Chinese government to see the stars and stripes flying in Hong Kong. There's blood lust is their eyes over it, 100%. China knows that if they go hard, the rest of the world will respond. It will be powerful image wise If they go in, kill a bunch of protesters and you see the American flag getting crushed. American companies will be pressured to stop doing business because of it.(Apple example)

China is in a tough spot, and these protesters know it.
 

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Ohhhh boy, I can't wait for legacy media to compare an anti-authoritarian movement in HK with a "known symbol of white supremacy" :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Get ready for mental gymnastics not seen in reality before.

I'm expecting heads to explode, live on air, and folks running for cover as they try to support the Chinese government in stopping these freedom loving people.

Also, interesting* that these people chose the side of those who support the 2nd amendment, and freedom of speech.

Who'd of thunk?*²








*Its actually not interesting as its obvious.

²*normal rational freedom loving Americans.
 
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They were demonstrating against the extradition bill which they succeeded in getting indefinitely paused. Now they’re waving American flags and saying they need the 2nd amendment.

While there was a genuine reason for the protest it’s now been overshot.
Carrie should have kill the bill, instead she let it expire, which in a sense is sayign she is not wrong.
 

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Carrie should have kill the bill, instead she let it expire, which in a sense is sayign she is not wrong.
Probably a political compromise with China.

Look, don’t get me wrong, this is complex but:

Handover of Hong Kong to China has been agreed by the British, who were only there in capacity as royal drug dealers and finance sharks.

Materially supporting protestors to riot beyond the reasonable scope of protest is not a good idea. ‘Supporting democracy’ is such a canard now it’s surprising to see so many on this forum fall for it. This is a dangerous geopolitical move by a remnant imperial faction in the US deep state. I think China’s economic rivalry with US is turning Trump’s head away from his non-interventionist political position.

I’ve been to China for work, it’s just a normal place with normal people going about their lives. The Chinese people I worked with were not repressed in my opinion. They have their own culture. A lot of the anti-China stuff is propaganda bordering on racism.

Remember the silver rule - leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone.

Don’t get involved with other people’s marital spats in the name of unity when really you hope they get divorced so you can shag one of them, and will do your best to bring about that eventuality.
 
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Probably a political compromise with China.

Look, don’t get me wrong, this is complex but:

Handover of Hong Kong to China has been agreed by the British, who were only there in capacity as royal drug dealers and finance sharks.

Materially supporting protestors to riot beyond the reasonable scope of protest is not a good idea. ‘Supporting democracy’ is such a canard now it’s surprising to see so many on this forum fall for it. This is a dangerous geopolitical move by a remnant imperial faction in the US deep state. I think China’s economic rivalry with US is turning Trump’s head away from his non-interventionist political position.

I’ve been to China for work, it’s just a normal place with normal people going about their lives. The Chinese people I worked with were not repressed in my opinion. They have their own culture. A lot of the anti-China stuff is propaganda bordering on racism.

Remember the silver rule - leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone.

Don’t get involved with other people’s marital spats in the name of unity when really you hope they get divorced so you can shag one of them, and will do your best to bring about that eventuality.
How about their so call social score? That's definitely oppressive or do you believe it is just? It is not complex at all. Carrie refuse to kill the bill and government hired mafia to beat protester up.
 
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Ornlu

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Probably a political compromise with China.

Look, don’t get me wrong, this is complex but:

Handover of Hong Kong to China has been agreed by the British, who were only there in capacity as royal drug dealers and finance sharks.

Materially supporting protestors to riot beyond the reasonable scope of protest is not a good idea. ‘Supporting democracy’ is such a canard now it’s surprising to see so many on this forum fall for it. This is a dangerous geopolitical move by a remnant imperial faction in the US deep state. I think China’s economic rivalry with US is turning Trump’s head away from his non-interventionist political position.

I’ve been to China for work, it’s just a normal place with normal people going about their lives. The Chinese people I worked with were not repressed in my opinion. They have their own culture. A lot of the anti-China stuff is propaganda bordering on racism.

Remember the silver rule - leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone.

Don’t get involved with other people’s marital spats in the name of unity when really you hope they get divorced so you can shag one of them, and will do your best to bring about that eventuality.
What is the move, and whom exactly is the faction?
 

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How about their so call social score? That's definitely oppressive or do you believe it is just? It is not complex at all. Carrie refuse to kill the bill and government hired mafia to beat protester up.
I would not like to live under it, from my cultural background I consider it oppressive. But this is not the issue here. Just because you don’t like another country’s system doesn’t excuse interventionism if it doesn’t affect where you are. If it comes to affect you, fight it where you are, sure. I would.

Government hired mafia? Do you mean the police? It wouldn’t surprise me in any case. Violent crackdown is the last resort of all governments against both legitimate and illegitimate protest.
 
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Vow

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What is the move, and whom exactly is the faction?
Same old move as used all over the place. Identify geopolitical target country because of resources. Identify internal divisions against incumbent government. Funnel money, materials, training at the opposition to destabilise country. Swoop in with military to support plucky rebels against oppressive government. Award defence, oil etc contracts to own companies.

 

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How about their so call social score? That's definitely oppressive or do you believe it is just? It is not complex at all. Carrie refuse to kill the bill and government hired mafia to beat protester up.
Indeed - it's probably the case that discussing the more troublesome aspects of Chinese life with a westerner may also reduce your score should the wrong person overhear (and they presumably get a boost for snitching). I'd say that China has been very very clever in controlling its population, and some naive fools fall for it.
 
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Government hired mafia? Do you mean the police? It wouldn’t surprise me in any case. Violent crackdown is the last resort of all governments against both legitimate and illegitimate protest.
No, actual mafia. Thugs, not in police uniform, beating protesters while the police stand back and do nothing. Similar to how random thugs seem to target journalists in Russia for instance.
 

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No, actual mafia. Thugs, not in police uniform, beating protesters while the police stand back and do nothing. Similar to how random thugs seem to target journalists in Russia for instance.
I found this with a quick search, was not aware of this:


I think government links with organised crime are unfortunately pretty common and not just a case of the ‘good’ governments don’t do it and the ‘bad’ governments do.

I remember seeing a doc on a town in Mexico that threw out its government because it found they were linked with organised crime:

 
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Also, holy crap, Vancouver might as well be called Hong Kong 2.0. Look at all the people there.
There is a running joke for the last 30+ years that calls it Hongcouver. This is nothing new. Saddens me to see communist flags next to the Canadian flag but looking at our virtue signaling federal gov't (and BC's for that matter) it doesn't surprise me
 

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It's funny cos it's true.


But why would he just come out and admit it? Here's why, written in a period of candour in post-Soviet 1991, which the guy speaking still operates under given his age:


"A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA," agrees Weinstein. The biggest difference is that when such activities are done overtly, the flap potential is close to zero. Openness is its own protection."
Democracy dies in darkness.
 

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It's funny cos it's true.


But why would he just come out and admit it? Here's why, written in a period of candour in post-Soviet 1991, which the guy speaking still operates under given his age:




Democracy dies in darkness.
Bro that video in the video where the guy says The National Endowment for Democracy helps democracy in Hong Kong is from 2014.

NED doesn't even have that much money to conduct the type of operation you are alluding to. They support democracy and human rights campaigns in 90 countries.
 

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Bro that video in the video where the guy says The National Endowment for Democracy helps democracy in Hong Kong is from 2014.

NED doesn't even have that much money to conduct the type of operation you are alluding to. They support democracy and human rights campaigns in 90 countries.
Not just NED, the method is to fund existing movements against incumbent governments, the movements have their own funds too.


However, a look beneath the surface of this oversimplified, made-for-television script reveals that the ferociously anti-Chinese network behind the demonstrations has been cultivated with the help of millions of dollars from the US government, as well as a Washington-linked local media tycoon.
 

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I’m going there tomorrow. Hopefully things aren’t too crazy still. There are rumors of more happening this weekend
 

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Going for business, or going to the protests?
Just some business. I had no idea this would happen when I originally got my plane ticket. Luckily I know some people there to tell me what areas to avoid. Interesting times
 

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Just some business. I had no idea this would happen when I originally got my plane ticket. Luckily I know some people there to tell me what areas to avoid. Interesting times
Best of luck! Keep safe and let us know how it goes!
 

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When it was cut down, all the nearby vending machines also stopped working:

Yea what could possible go wrong lamo. Getting charged endlessly. Or print a picture of somebody's face and profit.
 
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