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[Meus Renaissance]

So, for every 2 Xbox One orders there are 3 PS4 orders? I expected a larger difference

 

[AHA-Lambda]

It's an exclusive bundle with Killzone SF and DriveClub.

http://www.game.co.uk/en/playstatio...ndle-deposit-209603?categoryIdentifier=414101

What's the point in bundling Driveclub when it's given away with PS+?

 

[Kyoufu]

Can you tell us the region? I think it's safe to say the retailer is Game, but knowing the region would be interesting...

That would be a silly thing to reveal unless he likes getting fired.

 

[Canis lupus]

Surprising considering places like Amazon have said they are tracking more Xbox One pre-orders.

That was a week ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=581217

 

[Lagspike_exe]

What's the point in bundling Driveclub when it's given away with PS+?

So people who aren't aware of this fact buy it. Also, Plus version has limited content.

 

[Terbinator]

If all the rumours re supply amounts are true, and the PS4 takes an early lead in sales then it will naturally gain momentum just because you want to play online with your friends. Right now in the UK my 360 is better for online gaming just because its what everyone has. If in April 2014 the ps4 is the console that's ahead in sales and has the larger install base you'd go with that because it allows you to play with more people and the odds are higher its what your friends have.

Yep. Me and my friends make up about 7 or so console purchases and we're all going to buy the same one so we can all play together. Naturally my friends have other friends and you try and get them on the same platform too.

 

[Anth1888]

Are there any Killzone and Watch Dogs bundles in the UK?

Maybe closer to launch? Amazon UK, HMV, Argos and ShopTo have no bundles yet.

 

[DBT85]

So roughly 1/4 of a single chain? The whole of the UK would be fascinating to see.

Especially since so many order from the likes of Amazon, Play and ShopTo.

So people who aren't aware of this fact buy it. Also, Plus version has limited content.

Plus version is also upgradable for a reduced price btw.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

What's the point in bundling Driveclub when it's given away with PS+?

DriveClub isn't given away for PS+. It's just a glorified demo

 

[Jezbollah]

~2200 PS4 Deposits LTD
~110 PS4 "Game Exclusive" Deposits LTD
~1400 Xbox One Deposits LTD

~360 PS4 Deposits WTD (not including yesterday or today)
~110 PS4 "Game Exclusive" Deposits WTD
~180 Xbox One Deposits WTD

Since the reveal of the PS4 hardware at E3 pre-orders have been tracking 2:1 in favour of it, for the three weeks before that they were in higher for the Xbox One (after their reveal event).

For those of you who know, you know the source, but he would rather remain anonymous to protect his job so I am making the thread on his behalf. I have proof of the source's figures, they are real.

Figures are for a single region for a single retailer.

Cheers again, Zomg.

I am surprised that the ratio is only 2:1 given the reaction in the enthusiast press, but as soon as general "joe public" word of mouth gets out and a better understanding of the used games and offline advantages go out to the masses I can see the ratio getting bigger for Sony.

 

[Delusibeta]

GAME's secured a cool £30k collecting interest. Not bad.

OK, so how much of the UK would this be approximately? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I'd like to have a vague idea of total UK preorders.

I would say it's a fair chunk of the market. GAME is the UK equivalent of GameStop. That said, the internet segment is far stronger in the UK than the US (due to having a postal service that isn't shite) and hence I'd guesstimate that GAME would have 40% of the console pre-orders.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Can you tell us the region? I think it's safe to say the retailer is Game, but knowing the region would be interesting...

I don't think it is a good idea as the source may become identifiable by his employer.

 

[uncleniccius]

I couldn't say unfortunately. Maybe less than a quarter? That's an estimate though.

Based on this it must be doing pretty well, it is miles away from launch, and if you added other chains/regions preorders would probably be pretty good.
It took Vita 10 weeks to break 100,000, and this seems to be well ahead!

 

[Success]

Surprising considering places like Amazon have said they are tracking more Xbox One pre-orders.

Provide evidence.

 

[Jezbollah]

So, for every 2 Xbox One orders there are 3 PS4 orders? I expected a larger difference

It's 2:1, so for two Xbox One orders, it'll be four PS4 orders.

 

[Freki]

So, for every 2 Xbox One orders there are 3 PS4 orders? I expected a larger difference

It's more than 2:1 after E3

 

[gofreak]

The fact that the tides changed after E3 tells me the main problem for XO is indeed the high price, with the DRM stuff being a more minor one (but still a "big" one).

Price is a primary issue, of course. But I think a lot of people were holding their breath on PS4 to see if DRM would be as bad. There was a lot of 'oh, it'll be the same'. I think preorders now reflect a collective breathing out on that issue. I didn't preorder a PS4 until after Sony's stance was confirmed.

 

[Delusibeta]

Can you tell us the region? I think it's safe to say the retailer is Game, but knowing the region would be interesting...

Almost certainly talking about the entirety of the UK. We are talking about £350 and £430 machines, after all.

 

[Lynn616]

Lucky for MS and anyone that buys a X1 that the hardware is so similar to the PS4. Even if the PS4 is 2-1 over the X1 the developer support will still be there. I am sure that is why everyone seems so interested in the hardware pre-order data. So no worries.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Almost certainly talking about the entirety of the UK. We are talking about £350 and £430 machines, after all.

It is just one region in the UK. Nowhere near the whole country.

 

[Shantom]

Wii U's first months sales were great, and it's doubtful that even the PS4 will beat them.

It's the following months where the PS4 will most likely smoke the Wii U if Sony plays it right.

Wii U's first month sales in the UK were absolutely awful, it would be surprising to me if the PS4's first weekend wasn't higher than the Wii U's first month over here.

 

[Mung]

Almost certainly talking about the entirety of the UK. We are talking about £350 and £430 machines, after all.

The OP says its a single region though.

edit: too slow

 

[beast786]

So, for every 2 Xbox One orders there are 3 PS4 orders? I expected a larger difference

Which is consistant what IGN said
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-ps4-outpacing-xbox-one-pre-orders

 

[wrowa]

I actually expected the difference to be a little bigger. The difference is rather modest, I think.

How popular was the 360 in the UK? Did it outsell the PS3?

 

[DBT85]

If we can get more numbers as weeks roll on, we could chart the ratio over time, see if it changes after certain events and news and stuff.

I actually expected the difference to be a little bigger. The difference is rather modest, I think.

How popular was the 360 in the UK? Did it outsell the PS3?

Yes. It was out 14 months before the PS3 and considerably cheaper. Aslo had 2 free Christmas periods.

 

[uncleniccius]

Almost certainly talking about the entirety of the UK. We are talking about £350 and £430 machines, after all.

He/she said it was 1/4 "probably less" of the UK above.

 

[uncleniccius]

I actually expected the difference to be a little bigger. The difference is rather modest, I think.

How popular was the 360 in the UK? Did it outsell the PS3?

Yes, it is quite a bit more popular I believe.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I actually expected the difference to be a little bigger. The difference is rather modest, I think.

How popular was the 360 in the UK? Did it outsell the PS3?

UK is a decent stronghold for MSFT so 2:1 is a very good turnaround for Sony.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Cheers again, Zomg.

I am surprised that the ratio is only 2:1 given the reaction in the enthusiast press, but as soon as general "joe public" word of mouth gets out and a better understanding of the used games and offline advantages go out to the masses I can see the ratio getting bigger for Sony.

UK is a decent stronghold for MSFT so 2:1 is a very good turnaround for Sony.

Correct my math if I'm wrong but its more like 1:1.57.

 

[Jezbollah]

Yes, it is quite a bit more popular I believe.

I would guess that the share between 360 and PS3 in the UK is around 55/45 to 60/40 in favour of MS

 

[RaijinFY]

Wii U's first months sales were great, and it's doubtful that even the PS4 will beat them.

It's the following months where the PS4 will most likely smoke the Wii U if Sony plays it right.

lol what? They were dreadful...

 

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

lol what? They were dreadful...

I'm talking about overall Wii U sales, not just the nearly irrelevant UK market.

 

[DBT85]

Correct my math if I'm wrong but its more like 1:1.57.

Are you looking at the total or this week?

 

[Freki]

Which is consistant what IGN said
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-ps4-outpacing-xbox-one-pre-orders

Not really - numbers for this week:

470 PS4
180 Xbox One

Thats a 2,6 : 1 ratio...

Correct my math if I'm wrong but its more like 1:1.57.

This includes a huge amount of preorders pre-E3

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That would be a silly thing to reveal unless he likes getting fired.

I don't think it is a good idea as the source may become identifiable by his employer.

Yeah, it perhaps wasn't the best thing to ask. Didn't think before asking.

Anyway, to stay on topic. I wonder if this will be replicated countrywide? None of my friends are particularly interested in either console since going back to PC, so I'm unable to gather any anecdotal evidence, but what about everyone else's gaming buds?

 

[Anth1888]

Considering the majority of Europe is pro Sony. Microsoft 'losing' the UK would be quite a blow.

 

[syko de4d]

So 470 vs 180 after the E3? 2.6:1?

 

[IcyEyes]

Ok, the Ps4 looks like it has the edge now, but to be honest, I can't believe MS is able to sell 2 Xbone every 3 PS4 despite the very negative mood that surrounds the console.

I honestly expect something worst for MS, something like 4-1 ...

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I actually expected the difference to be a little bigger. The difference is rather modest, I think.

How popular was the 360 in the UK? Did it outsell the PS3?

360 sold around 40% more units in the UK LTD. It is far and away more popular than PS3 because of the way Sony treated the UK at the beginning of the generation.

 

[3rdamention]

But weren't they "listening?"

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Are you looking at the total or this week?

Oh, my bad

 

[gofreak]

So 470 vs 180 after the E3? 2.6:1?

Yeah, or in other language, a circa 72% PS4 share in the week after E3.

 

[plagiarize]

I don't think it is a good idea as the source may become identifiable by his employer.

not that I want the source to reveal the region, since I don't, but their employer would already know what region these figures were from just by looking at them.

 

[Zemm]

What's more interesting is that 3600 mugs have put down a deposit, just buy it from Amazon where you won't get charged until dispatched friends.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Ok, the Ps4 looks like it has the edge now, but to be honest, I can't believe MS is able to sell 2 Xbone every 3 PS4 despite the very negative mood that surrounds the console.

I honestly expect something worst for MS, something like 4-1 ...

Early adopters and you can bet there are some who either aren't informed at all about used games and DRM or just are loyal fans.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Considering the majority of Europe is pro Sony. Microsoft 'losing' the UK would be quite a blow.

With the UK the biggest (or perhaps second with Germany's rise), losing the UK could be seen as a death blow for their chances of growing their install base outside the US.

 

[plagiarize]

Ok, the Ps4 looks like it has the edge now, but to be honest, I can't believe MS is able to sell 2 Xbone every 3 PS4 despite the very negative mood that surrounds the console.

I honestly expect something worst for MS, something like 4-1 ...

Remember that this is a market were the 360 had a healthy lead. That they're behind at all shows a big shift. If numbers in America are similar, that should be just as concerning to Microsoft.

 

[benny_a]

Anyway, to stay on topic. I wonder if this will be replicated countrywide? None of my friends are particularly interested in either console since going back to PC, so I'm unable to gather any anecdotal evidence, but what about everyone else's gaming buds?

I know around 12 people that play video games in their spare time. 7 of them are primarily PC players while 5 are primarily console players. 7 have pre-ordered the PS4.
(I was surprised myself, I expected around 4, as they range from WoW only players to only playing FIFA.)

 

[Maledict]

Indeed - just being equal to MS in the USA and UK would be a major triumph for Sony as they win in the rest of the world handily. If they can actually pull ahead in both those countries and maintain their dominance elsewhere (which so far seems to what's happening) then you're looking at a major win for Sony. Big change from the current generation.

Not that I think it will matter games wise - the number of third party exclusives is going to be even smaller this generation.

 

[dalyr95]

zomgbbqftw, since you're an analyst who probably know abit about this, what would Sony be pumping out of their factories per month assuming industry average yields and when would a product like this start being mass produced?

(Since everyone knows about the new iPhone four months before from the supply chain, its strange we've not heard a peep)