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PS4 Controller - Dualshock 4 Unveilved

Wasp

Member
I agree 100%, the dualshock sticks have always felt awkward to me, its time for Sony to get with it and put the sticks where they naturally, and ergonomically need to be. Especially for someone with big hands - unless there's a good 3rd party controller that puts the left stick in the right place, I'm holding off on PS4.
I still don't understand this thought. The human body is symmetrical. A pair of human hands are symmetrical. Why does it make sense for a controller to be asymmetrical?
 

Fusebox

Banned
I'm surprised at how many people think the new controller is fugly, I think it's sweet, sweet controller porn. It's beautiful.
 

Flatline

Member
What interests me the most is how ergonomic it is. Are there any hands on impressions with it or hasn't Sony allowed anyone to check it out? (except for Fallon who doesn't know shit about gaming)


Looks cool and I'm liking the analogs and triggers but I seriously doubt I will ever use that share button. Pointless to me.

Same here.
 

Oppo

Member
If you have no one on your Friends list, the Share button will just direct you to ForeverAlone.gif
 
What interests me the most is how ergonomic it is. Are there any hands on impressions with it or hasn't Sony allowed anyone to use it? (except for Fallon who doesn't know shit about gaming)

No one has held it other than Fallon and Anderson. Here's what Yoshida said about it

So, how final is the only piece of hardware Sony was willing to trot out? "It's near final. It's just gonna be small tweaks being done," Sony Worldwide Studios head Shuhei Yoshida told us in an interview this morning.

Sadly, he also admitted we won't be able to touch any of it anytime soon. "By E3, I think" was the best he could offer. He blamed Sony's hardware folks for not allowing access, despite him pleading with PR to give hands-on time. "I was just asking our PR team can we just let you touch this stuff. Our hardware guys don't want you to find out some detail that ..." he said, trailing off. "Some dirty secret?" we asked. "Of course," he responded with a smile.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/dualshock-4-near-final-remote-play/
 

Boss Man

Member
I really love/hate how this controller looks.

It looks ugly as sin, but extremely comfortable. I'm really pleased with how they handled the light, that was the one thing I couldn't stand about the prototype.

I get the feeling that the stereo will be a really cool addition. Sound is super significant in games but no one really notices.
 

Leezard

Member
I think the controller seems ugly as well, definitely a step backwards from DS3. I hope it's not as small as the DS3 at least, my hands cramped after semilong sessions.
 

Kaze13

Member
Garnet on Weekend Confirmed made some really good points on why the PS4 controller needs to change. In the PS1 days, they shoe-horned those sticks onto a controller where the d-pad was the primary control. When games shifted to analog, Sony never updated the controller scheme to fit, they stubbornly kept the sticks where they are.

I agree 100%, the dualshock sticks have always felt awkward to me, its time for Sony to get with it and put the sticks where they naturally, and ergonomically need to be. Especially for someone with big hands - unless there's a good 3rd party controller that puts the left stick in the right place, I'm holding off on PS4.

That's his opinion. Not everybody agrees with those thoughts as indicated by the responses he got on twitter. People claiming that one is better than the other are just stubborn princesses not willing to adapt. When I first held the 360 controller, it felt awkward but I adjusted to it and it felt fine. Switching between the PS3 and the 360 layout was a matter of moving my thumb in mere centimeters.
 

colt45joe

Banned
Looks cool and I'm liking the analogs and triggers but I seriously doubt I will ever use that share button. Pointless to me.

hey.. cmon, funny/odd/interesting stuff happens sometimes in games. just press share button to capture last 15 seconds to create a video. dont need to upload it, or anything. hopefully share button doesnt force an upload.
 

nib95

Banned
Posted this in the other controller thread (Fallon one). Roughly to scale.

 
I really love/hate how this controller looks.

It looks ugly as sin, but extremely comfortable. I'm really pleased with how they handled the light, that was the one thing I couldn't stand about the prototype.

I get the feeling that the stereo will be a really cool addition. Sound is super significant in games but no one really notices.

I'm cool with sound coming from the controller if I can shut it off. It's the one thing I couldn't stand with the wiimote in some games. Just constant noises coming from the controller... irritated the hell out of me.
 
Garnet on Weekend Confirmed made some really good points on why the PS4 controller needs to change. In the PS1 days, they shoe-horned those sticks onto a controller where the d-pad was the primary control. When games shifted to analog, Sony never updated the controller scheme to fit, they stubbornly kept the sticks where they are.

I agree 100%, the dualshock sticks have always felt awkward to me, its time for Sony to get with it and put the sticks where they naturally, and ergonomically need to be. Especially for someone with big hands - unless there's a good 3rd party controller that puts the left stick in the right place, I'm holding off on PS4.
I don't know what kind of mutant hands people have but symmetrical sticks aren't any more or less ergonomic than asymmetrical. Look at how a hand clenches into a fist, or holds a ball, or grasps onto most objects. Your hand naturally separates the thumb from your fingers, if your right thumb isn't killing itself for using a right stick all the time, then neither is your left. It's a preference and I'm glad that there are controllers out there to fit for both, just stop blanketing it as a necessity.
 
That's his opinion. Not everybody agrees with those thoughts as indicated by the responses he got on twitter. People claiming that one is better than the other are just stubborn princesses not willing to adapt. When I first held the 360 controller, it felt awkward but I adjusted to it and it felt fine. Switching between the PS3 and the 360 layout was a matter of moving my thumb in mere centimeters.

No. There's people out there, myself included, who's hands simply don't fit the dualshock controllers. The dualshocks are flimsy and awkward and cramp up my hands. It's dumb that they continue to use the original PS1 frankensteined design.
 

nib95

Banned
No. There's people out there, myself included, who's hands simply don't fit the dualshock controllers. The dualshocks are flimsy and awkward and cramp up my hands. It's dumb that they continue to use the original PS1 frankensteined design.

Do you have deformed hands or something? Anyhow, as you can see from the image above, the size of the DS4, namely the handles, seems to have enlarged somewhat. The whole thing looks more ergonomic too.
 
Do you have deformed hands or something? Anyhow, as you can see from the image above, the size of the DS4, namely the handles, seems to have enlarged somewhat. The whole thing looks more ergonomic too.

The DS4 does look more confortable just by virtue of it being larger - just wish they ditched the 15 year old stick layout to something that isn't awkward.
 

nib95

Banned
The DS4 does look more confortable just by virtue of it being larger - just wish they ditched the 15 year old stick layout to something that isn't awkward.

Different strokes for different folks. I prefer symmetrical sticks, and it's actually more beneficial for certain gameplay, i.e. Ni No Kuni trials (mimicking both player controls) or fps where you're using both sticks in tandem coupled with the triggers.

This would have been so much harder with asymmetrical sticks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps84...YUq4gmLdwOTm0eFue6b8Ib2y&feature=results_main
 
hey.. cmon, funny/odd/interesting stuff happens sometimes in games. just press share button to capture last 15 seconds to create a video. dont need to upload it, or anything. hopefully share button doesnt force an upload.

Not pointless as in sharing is pointless, but as the button itself is pointless. I believe it could have easily been done through the PS button.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:





What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).

The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.

Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.

Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
 
The only thing I'm not a fan of is the black circles around the D-Pad and Face buttons. It makes it look a bit awkward.

That's the first thing i noticed it when they first showed it and it bothered me too.

It looks..tacky, and out of place. Maybe the controller looks better and richer in person.

I also dislike their decision to sway away from the vita dpad on the leaked prototype..but oh well.
 
I have a friend with one arm, he cannot play one handed with the DS3 unless its a game like The Walking Dead. I really hope the DS4, with its larger size, will work for him. The 360 controller is perfect for him, given the triggers and offset sticks
 

i-Lo

Member
Come on now, every dual stick shooter ever negates your point.

I've been playing dual stick shooters since 2007 (coming from pc) and I am equally comfortable and effective with both. So no, it negates absolutely nothing.

While people may have their preferences, the asinine attempts to prove one is better than another by imprinting one's own point of view is getting tiresome.
 

Draper

Member
I'm probably off and just tired but I feel there's possibly more to this controller. The way they elongated the handles...makes me feel they can separate and be used independently.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
I have a friend with one arm, he cannot play one handed with the DS3 unless its a game like The Walking Dead. I really hope the DS4, with its larger size, will work for him. The 360 controller is perfect for him, given the triggers and offset sticks
I don't follow how the size of the controller and stick layout benefits someone with one arm, can you explain it please?
 

Kaze13

Member
No. There's people out there, myself included, who's hands simply don't fit the dualshock controllers. The dualshocks are flimsy and awkward and cramp up my hands. It's dumb that they continue to use the original PS1 frankensteined design.

Then it's a matter of size. Your hands are much larger than what they had designed for. The flaw isnt neccessarily the overall design. Quite simply, it's incompatibility. Saying that the ds3 is flawed in design because it doesn't suit your needs is kind of foolish. You can't please everybody. In this case, this is why the aftermarket exist.
 

Duffyside

Banned
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:





What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).

The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.

Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.

Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.

You're the best person on the internet.

Makes that new controller look even better.

Edit: Can I ask how you know you got the scale right though? I'm guessing you were using the sticks, buttons, and dpads as your reference point? Probably the correct assumption, but I don't know if we can be sure. Still, hat's off.
 

DBT85

Member
Damn, the face buttons are much smaller and closer together. That will make playing fighting games much harder for those who play claw style.... That's not good :(

OR... the images in that gif might not be sized correctly.

I think the face buttons have been the same size since the PS1, no need to make them smaller.
 
Damn, the face buttons are much smaller and closer together. That will make playing fighting games much harder for those who play claw style.... That's not good :(

Fighting games on a pad? Oh, you're one of those Tekken guys, my mistake.
 

kairu

Member
I totally love the looks of this controller now after looking at it for a couple of days. I really like the textured back. Wish they would release a reverse shot of the controller, actually. I dont really mind the glossy bits around the d-pad and buttons, either. Its a nice little nod to the glossy crosses on the DS3. Plus I think it looks classy with the glossy chamfered edge around the touchpad, too.

I am a big supporter of the symmetrical sticks argument, so I'm glad they kept them symmetrical on the DS4. My hands are symmetrical and resting both thumbs on the sticks and L1/R1 bumpers (where they are for most games these days) feels more natural to me.

Having a slightly wider stick placement for people that hold the DS3 wrong (move sticks around with first knuckle) should alleviate their thumb bumping issues, to so hopefully its a win/win.
 

raven777

Member
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:





What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).

The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.

Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.

Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.

is this actually accurate scale difference?
 
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