soulassssns
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Looks cool and I'm liking the analogs and triggers but I seriously doubt I will ever use that share button. Pointless to me.
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PS4 Controller - Dualshock 4 Unveilved
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I still don't understand this thought. The human body is symmetrical. A pair of human hands are symmetrical. Why does it make sense for a controller to be asymmetrical?
Flatline
Banned
What interests me the most is how ergonomic it is. Are there any hands on impressions with it or hasn't Sony allowed anyone to check it out? (except for Fallon who doesn't know shit about gaming)
Same here.
Same here.
Castle Doctrine
Member
Some people call every new console or controller ugly. Even if Michelangelo designed it.
SolidSnakex
Member
No one has held it other than Fallon and Anderson. Here's what Yoshida said about it
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/dualshock-4-near-final-remote-play/
Boss Man
Member
I really love/hate how this controller looks.
It looks ugly as sin, but extremely comfortable. I'm really pleased with how they handled the light, that was the one thing I couldn't stand about the prototype.
I get the feeling that the stereo will be a really cool addition. Sound is super significant in games but no one really notices.
It looks ugly as sin, but extremely comfortable. I'm really pleased with how they handled the light, that was the one thing I couldn't stand about the prototype.
I get the feeling that the stereo will be a really cool addition. Sound is super significant in games but no one really notices.
That's his opinion. Not everybody agrees with those thoughts as indicated by the responses he got on twitter. People claiming that one is better than the other are just stubborn princesses not willing to adapt. When I first held the 360 controller, it felt awkward but I adjusted to it and it felt fine. Switching between the PS3 and the 360 layout was a matter of moving my thumb in mere centimeters.
Such a tease.
hey.. cmon, funny/odd/interesting stuff happens sometimes in games. just press share button to capture last 15 seconds to create a video. dont need to upload it, or anything. hopefully share button doesnt force an upload.
EliteArtist
Member
I'm cool with sound coming from the controller if I can shut it off. It's the one thing I couldn't stand with the wiimote in some games. Just constant noises coming from the controller... irritated the hell out of me.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I don't know what kind of mutant hands people have but symmetrical sticks aren't any more or less ergonomic than asymmetrical. Look at how a hand clenches into a fist, or holds a ball, or grasps onto most objects. Your hand naturally separates the thumb from your fingers, if your right thumb isn't killing itself for using a right stick all the time, then neither is your left. It's a preference and I'm glad that there are controllers out there to fit for both, just stop blanketing it as a necessity.
MrCompletely
Member
No. There's people out there, myself included, who's hands simply don't fit the dualshock controllers. The dualshocks are flimsy and awkward and cramp up my hands. It's dumb that they continue to use the original PS1 frankensteined design.
TimeEffect
Member
Posted this in the other controller thread (Fallon one). Roughly to scale.
Cant see how people can ever go back to Dualshock 3
Do you have deformed hands or something? Anyhow, as you can see from the image above, the size of the DS4, namely the handles, seems to have enlarged somewhat. The whole thing looks more ergonomic too.
TimeEffect
Member
Not sure how accurate this is, but I still want to hold this
MrCompletely
Member
The DS4 does look more confortable just by virtue of it being larger - just wish they ditched the 15 year old stick layout to something that isn't awkward.
Different strokes for different folks. I prefer symmetrical sticks, and it's actually more beneficial for certain gameplay, i.e. Ni No Kuni trials (mimicking both player controls) or fps where you're using both sticks in tandem coupled with the triggers.
This would have been so much harder with asymmetrical sticks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps84...YUq4gmLdwOTm0eFue6b8Ib2y&feature=results_main
MrCompletely
Member
Come on now, every dual stick shooter ever negates your point.
soulassssns
Banned
Not pointless as in sharing is pointless, but as the button itself is pointless. I believe it could have easily been done through the PS button.
I find twin-stick shooters much better to play with symmetrical sticks honestly.
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:
What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).
The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.
Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.
Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).
The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.
Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.
Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
Unknown One
Member
The only thing I'm not a fan of is the black circles around the D-Pad and Face buttons. It makes it look a bit awkward.
BrownWalrus
Member
That's the first thing i noticed it when they first showed it and it bothered me too.
It looks..tacky, and out of place. Maybe the controller looks better and richer in person.
I also dislike their decision to sway away from the vita dpad on the leaked prototype..but oh well.
Square Triangle
Member
I have a friend with one arm, he cannot play one handed with the DS3 unless its a game like The Walking Dead. I really hope the DS4, with its larger size, will work for him. The 360 controller is perfect for him, given the triggers and offset sticks
I've been playing dual stick shooters since 2007 (coming from pc) and I am equally comfortable and effective with both. So no, it negates absolutely nothing.
While people may have their preferences, the asinine attempts to prove one is better than another by imprinting one's own point of view is getting tiresome.
LightofRohan
Member
I know, I can't get enough of it. Can't wait to try it.
endlessflood
Member
Not sure how accurate this is, but I still want to hold this
It's accurate, going by the cheap knock-offs. Sadly we'll never see that controller.
I like it a lot,but switching the face buttons for Vita style would look better. That was neat Sentry
I don't follow how the size of the controller and stick layout benefits someone with one arm, can you explain it please?
MrCookiepants
Member
Uh...
With shooters, you have your right thumb constantly in the lower position and nobody ever complains. Do you have some kind of defect that makes it difficult to do the same with your left thumb?
You're definitely just tired.
Then it's a matter of size. Your hands are much larger than what they had designed for. The flaw isnt neccessarily the overall design. Quite simply, it's incompatibility. Saying that the ds3 is flawed in design because it doesn't suit your needs is kind of foolish. You can't please everybody. In this case, this is why the aftermarket exist.
I really like it.
It also looks really comfortably to hold and the triggers seem to be much better.
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:
What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).
The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.
Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.
Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
You're the best person on the internet.
Makes that new controller look even better.
Edit: Can I ask how you know you got the scale right though? I'm guessing you were using the sticks, buttons, and dpads as your reference point? Probably the correct assumption, but I don't know if we can be sure. Still, hat's off.
Damn, the face buttons are much smaller and closer together. That will make playing fighting games much harder for those who play claw style.... That's not good
Damn, the face buttons are much smaller and closer together. That will make playing fighting games much harder for those who play claw style.... That's not good
OR... the images in that gif might not be sized correctly.
I think the face buttons have been the same size since the PS1, no need to make them smaller.
Rice-Eater
Member
I totally love the looks of this controller now after looking at it for a couple of days. I really like the textured back. Wish they would release a reverse shot of the controller, actually. I dont really mind the glossy bits around the d-pad and buttons, either. Its a nice little nod to the glossy crosses on the DS3. Plus I think it looks classy with the glossy chamfered edge around the touchpad, too.
I am a big supporter of the symmetrical sticks argument, so I'm glad they kept them symmetrical on the DS4. My hands are symmetrical and resting both thumbs on the sticks and L1/R1 bumpers (where they are for most games these days) feels more natural to me.
Having a slightly wider stick placement for people that hold the DS3 wrong (move sticks around with first knuckle) should alleviate their thumb bumping issues, to so hopefully its a win/win.
I am a big supporter of the symmetrical sticks argument, so I'm glad they kept them symmetrical on the DS4. My hands are symmetrical and resting both thumbs on the sticks and L1/R1 bumpers (where they are for most games these days) feels more natural to me.
Having a slightly wider stick placement for people that hold the DS3 wrong (move sticks around with first knuckle) should alleviate their thumb bumping issues, to so hopefully its a win/win.
Made these to help visualize the difference between the DS3:
What's interesting is how further apart the dpad and PS buttons are from each other, same with the analog sticks. I guess that's to address the issue big-handed people have when steering the left stick to the right while pushing the right stick to the left (thumbs bump into each other and cause slippage).
The triggers are obviously more trigger-shaped and angular, but they're also actually closer to the L1/R1 buttons in the sense of where you'd be resting your fingers on them. Speaking of L1/R1, they're much larger. It's not illustrated too well in the gif due to the angle, but the fact that it's an oval shape might make pressing it a bit easier.
Now the most significant change is obviously the grips. What the've done is reduce the angle of the dive that each grip takes from the main body, and at the same time made each grip wider/longer in doing so.
Can't wait to get my hands on one, or at least hear some impressions from E3. As far as I can tell, it's an excellent evolution of the DualShock.
is this actually accurate scale difference?