While I agree that price is king, people also buy for features and hardware. Pretty one sided opinion to have really, I'm pretty sure it's a lot more than 1% .. as Neo/Scorp sales will hopefully reflect in due time. One of the reasons I'm a little disappointed Sony didn't opt for a UHD drive is for the sake of adoption, much like when broadband was becoming mainstream. These devices usually spearhead pickup and adoption of newer contact like 4k.
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PS4 Slim Review
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While I agree that price is king, people also buy for features and hardware. Pretty one sided opinion to have really, I'm pretty sure it's a lot more than 1% .. as Neo/Scorp sales will hopefully reflect in due time. One of the reasons I'm a little disappointed Sony didn't opt for a UHD drive is for the sake of adoption, much like when broadband was becoming mainstream. These devices usually spearhead pickup and adoption of newer contact like 4k.
family_guy
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I think it's more a case that if you have the option then you might be more inclined to use it at some point. I had a SDTV when I bought my PS3 but I eventually got an HDTV to take advantage of HD gaming and Bluray. I didn't have to buy a separate player. If I did have to, I would have been less likely to buy Bluray movies. I feel that Sony who is in the business of selling 4k TVs and movies would want to offer a product that would get people to part with their 1080p sets sooner rather than later.
EventHorizon
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I already said the network effect would help hold up the PS4 Slim sales if it was priced the same. I am making the point that without pricing the PS4 Slim lower than the XB1 S, the PS4 Slim will have a less advantage than the PS4 had over the XB1. In other words Sony would have made themselves less competitive with the move, and will sell fewer consoles than they would have if they had included UHD support.
No I'm not. See above.
In addition, if a person is only buying their first 8th generation console right now, then they are likely to value the PS4's minor advantage in a subset of games about as much a UHD support. Once again the NeoGaf bubble hits and you are having difficulty putting yourself in the mindset of the average customer.
This is not a person who is scouring the message boards to research which console to buy. It is not a person who even has a strong urge to buy a new console or else they would have already done it. It's going to be someone who has thought about buying a console and one day when going through the electronics section of a store will finally actually do it. They'll see all the 4K/UHD TVs on display. Then they'll see the XB1 S with a UHD drive and a PS4 Slim without it. Even if they don't have a 4K TV, they know they want one, and will pick the console that they think gives them the best content on that TV. It will be an aspirational decision.
This is of course an "all things being equal" decision. Like I said, the PS4 has other things going for it, but the point remains that the PS4 Slim in would be at a disadvantage in this situation.
It still did better than its competition. Many things can change YoY that don't make it an apples-to-apples comparison. Also I have to point out once again, that I made my comments in response to someone saying that the Xbox One S was a poor decision by Microsoft. Even if you want to say that there is no conclusive evidence that shows the S was a great decision (even though that is likely), there is absolutely no evidence that it was a poor decision.
3D TV is different. It was not an absolute advantage over non-3D TVs. You had to buy and wear the glasses for it to work. For most people that inconvenience wasn't worth any marginal benefit the 3D brought. 4K is different. It is exactly the same viewing environment except that the screen is better. If price isn't an issue, given the choice between 4K and normal HDTV the average consumer will choose 4K every time. As the following EmiPrime example shows, people think the 4K has a clearer picture even if it doesn't.
that's neo.
I'm a little surprised about the lack of 4K support, but I suppose Sony think most people who care about that will also care about power and therefore just buy the Neo. That being said, the omission of 4K and the lack of an up-clock says to me that this should be priced at $249. It needs to undercut the Xbone S and be a budget option in every sense of the word.
Yes, especially since 2160p is exactly 4x 1080p, but the issue is more that this PS4 Slim won't offer HDR gaming like the Xbone S (HDR requires a 4K signal direct from the console or player).
Yes, especially since 2160p is exactly 4x 1080p, but the issue is more that this PS4 Slim won't offer HDR gaming like the Xbone S (HDR requires a 4K signal direct from the console or player).
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Lack of 4K and HDR is disappointing even if they are using it as a selling point for the Neo. I think that would of probably converted more people over to the Slim. Unless they really get a reasonable price, the XBox S could look slightly more tempting to the average consumer looking jump into 4K due to these features. No optical imo is a little silly been if it is considered outdated. Probably not the best analogy obviously, but don't current consoles still support 720p even though those resolutions are considered antiquated and obsolete? Anyway, glad I just bought a new AV receiver.
Sword Of Doom
Member
That light on the controller seems very dim which is good. I don't think it'll be an issue at all
Oddvintagechap
Member
a 200$ PS4S destroys a 300$ XB1S
Your friend Timmy has a 500$ PS4K..
your mom buys you a PS4S.
you play with Timmy.
Your friend Timmy has a 500$ PS4K..
your mom buys you a PS4S.
you play with Timmy.
crap monkey
Member
Do we know if Neo is gonna run current PS4 games better, or only games designed for it in the future that would benefit from Neo hardware? I want to play Bloodborne in its best incarnation if possible, but if Neo won't make the game run better than I'd rather just get the cheaper slim.
You really think they're gonna start it at 200$? A 3DS XL is 200$, that would be a crazy price.
rokkerkory
Member
$250 or less pls
We don't, no. It really should be able to based on what the Xbone S up-clock can do, but that doesn't mean it actually will.
Games with an unlocked framrate cap will probably run @60fps. Like Infamous Second Son and Killzone Shadow Fall.
petethepanda
Member
The USB ports being spread out so far looks weird as hell.
It's kind of funny that replaceable faceplates were a thing again for a hot minute before going out the window as usual.
It's kind of funny that replaceable faceplates were a thing again for a hot minute before going out the window as usual.
gundamkyoukai
Member
If they are now buying the system it means they value price .( they other factors here but this is the biggest one most of the time)
You have a person that going for the cheapest system or want a certain system but only at a certain price .
You seem to be the one having trouble putting your mindset for the average person .
Also the average customer would say there TV can do 4k with Netflix .
Shadowheart
Member
My Sony TV doesn't have optical audio and my speaker system is one of those 'all in a box' that come together with a small receiver that looks like a small DVD player. The sound system only has one HDMI, if I recall, or at least no HDMI out. I know this because it took me a long time to find an optical audio cable (I line on Mars). I used to plug the PS4 directly to the TV and use the awful TV speakers...
Is my only option to buy one of those huge audio receivers with a million plugs in the back?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Theoretically, yes. But Sony has some mechanic behind it so you had to unlock that to get better frame rates.
MS needed to add value in form off a 4k bluray and HDR to their console because its still the weakest of the two, while Sony is going for the cheapest version possible taking shit out. 3 years in and its time to cater to the casual market and price is the nr 1 factor. Sure adding a 4k blu ray player would have added value but that would also add to cost and price.
Bioshocker
Member
I honestly couldn't say it any better. I mean I really think its looks very ugly.
look at this ... it does look 10x times better.
all I want to know is the head and noise if they any different.
I think the PS4 was never that pretty to begin with (I like the design of the fat PS3), but the slim model just looks meh. No character, just like an oversized Apple TV.
Fbh
Member
Officially I'm not sure.
But almost every leak and rumor has said that the Neo is capable of running older games better but games would need to be updated to support the extra horsepower.
So something like Bloodborne could run better but only if it gets an update.
Apparently Sony is not going to force devs to update their old games, but they are free to do so if they want
Bloodborne is exclusive though so at least it has a higher change of getting updated as Sony will want to show off the extra power as much as possible
Maximus.
Member
That doesn't justify leaving trash everywhere lol. To each their own I suppose.
31GhostsIV
Banned
Honestly I'm surprised CDPR didn't wait a little on The Witcher 3 GOTY and do exactly this. It actually needs it.
It's not proving your point. The average consumer uses their TV's awful speakers and thinks that whatever they plug into their HDTV magically becomes a native HD source and it's the same with 4K.
Non-gamers don't want a games console for a media player either, there's too much stigma attached. The notion that millions of people who have no interest in games are going to buy an Xbox One S because it plays UHDs is completely delusional.
Gamers outside of the US and UK don't want an Xbox One. A UHD drive on the S changes nothing, the PS4 will still be the more desired console: the PS4 has been more expensive than the Xbox One for over a year and it has still been the top seller. Gamers who really care about UHD Blurays will buy the Neo.
You are going to be very disappointed if expect anything other than status quo for the next 12 months. Having the cheaper UHD Bluray player is not the game changer you think it is. Sony are afraid of Scorpio, not the Xbox One S.
I apologize if its a repost, don't remember seeing this here yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69ZvIUxPhM
The video quality is total crap and I'm not sure if resogun is a good game for testing how much noise the new ps4 fans do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69ZvIUxPhM
The video quality is total crap and I'm not sure if resogun is a good game for testing how much noise the new ps4 fans do.
ResidentDante
Member
If you want the PS4 to go into nuclear meltdown and super turbo charged fan mode, look no further than Doom. I seriously wonder if it will kill my PS4 one day.
The Wraith
Member
I dont like the omission of the optical port, my surround sound headsets use them :/
I hope they dont do this to the Neo...
I hope they dont do this to the Neo...
KoolAidPitcher
Member
If your tv and receiver is HDMI 1.4 or higher, you should no longer need to have an optic cable from your tv to receiver. Have you tried HDMI audio return channel (ARC)?
Rellik
Member
Battlefield 1 beta is the same. It was so bad I turned it off.
One of the reasons I sold mine. Was more and more afraid it'd melt at one point.
Hopefully Neo isn't as bad.
40% is not a lot considering how pathetically huge the original Xbox One was.
it was supposed to be announced on the playstation meeting.
i really would love to see a comparison shot as well as how much lesser watt it needs or how loud it actually is.
sad that sony has literally improved nothing over the older model.
take the xbone s as an example. splendid job@ms.
its also interesting that while ms systems do look ugly at the beginning, the get more and more features and look better and better.
the ps consoles do get uglier and uglier with lesser and lesser features.
i really would love to see a comparison shot as well as how much lesser watt it needs or how loud it actually is.
sad that sony has literally improved nothing over the older model.
take the xbone s as an example. splendid job@ms.
its also interesting that while ms systems do look ugly at the beginning, the get more and more features and look better and better.
the ps consoles do get uglier and uglier with lesser and lesser features.
Sony did what they always do, i don't understand what your point is. We can assume its much quieter and more power effecient, we already know the wireless wi fi is superior in slim to OG PS4, the actual dimensions are significantly smaller than before.
I'd call it a success.
User123456
Member
PS4 Slim looks pretty to me.
Might get one of these instead of a Neo if the price is right, since I'm not gonna be using PS VR for a while.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
This thread has people asking if their sound is setup correctly so let me ask too lol....
I have an LG 4K tv, model 49UH6100 and a Samsung soundbar, model HW-JM25.
I have my tv hooked to my PS4 via HDMI and an optical cable from my PS4 to my soundbar(soundbar has no hdmi port). What PS4 sound/audio settings should i have set for optimal audio performance?
I have an LG 4K tv, model 49UH6100 and a Samsung soundbar, model HW-JM25.
I have my tv hooked to my PS4 via HDMI and an optical cable from my PS4 to my soundbar(soundbar has no hdmi port). What PS4 sound/audio settings should i have set for optimal audio performance?
Unknown?
Member
For Black Friday I'd say!
GeordieMark
Member
Size is only half the story though. It also runs virtually silently as a result. Its a big console, but there are advantages.
The power brick is loud though. My friend has one set up on his entertainment unit and you hear that more than the console. Having a big console along with a big ass brick is annoying.
Yep but price IS an issue for the average consumer. I for example am buying a new TV and a ps4 slim at Christmas.
I love my tech - but 4K is far too expensive to jump into yet for me.
Kerotan Frog
Member
I'd lol if this is $249.99.
Sony loves trolling MS at events.
Sony loves trolling MS at events.
Transistor
Banned
They added 5ghz wifi on this one. How is that nothing improved?
A $200 PS4S will destroy Scorpio as well. Essentially the lost war will come to an ebrupt end.
I'm calling it:
PS4 Slim and PS4 Neo will have the same form factor (but not the same design).
With both on 14nm and close to the same clockspeed, Neo will put out less heat than the orig PS4 and insignificantly more than the slim, because basically only the gpu part is doubled.
Remember my post on the 7th, when you can tell me how wrong I was.
PS4 Slim and PS4 Neo will have the same form factor (but not the same design).
With both on 14nm and close to the same clockspeed, Neo will put out less heat than the orig PS4 and insignificantly more than the slim, because basically only the gpu part is doubled.
Remember my post on the 7th, when you can tell me how wrong I was.
KoolAidPitcher
Member
Does your tv not have optical out? Omission of optical out is the future of devices since HDMI 1.4's ARC made the last home theater usage of optical obsolete.
User123456
Member
I wish, but I don't think so.
I already have a big (well, uATX) PC, I'd love to have a powerful yet slim console to take with me when I travel.
KoolAidPitcher
Member
Does your TV have optical out? If so, connect your soundbar to that.