Craig of War
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So do we believe him or no? since he keep lying to us lol
Come at me better than this DeepEnigma and perhaps I can stop trying to defend myself and you take it as me being a cunt. Tell your boys to talk to me like the Xbox/PC guys do. NONE of them come at me with this kind of rhetoric. NONE!
I wonder why that is?
But seriously though, why do people still swallow crap talk like this?
For starters, i don't really expect sony games to deliver much in terms of innovation, at best great art direction
Neither are they for the PS5.They didn't crossgen the entirety of the first one and a half years on ps4. It was the exception, not the norm.
Probably because you react. I usually stop bothering after a few comments, since for many here anything less than "Sony is the best game maker of all time" equals blasphemy.Why don't ya'll give him shit over it? Why don't you tell him he's a Sony hater for this comment? It's basically along the same lines of what I've said.
Neither are they for the PS5.
Enigma, This guy is saying a logical statement. Why don't ya'll give him shit over it? Why don't you tell him he's a Sony hater for this comment? It's basically along the same lines of what I've said.
The PlayStation 5 has officially launched in all regions of the world, but it may be a while before truly transformational next-gen experiences arrive. Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO Jim Ryan famously stated that the company “believes in generations,” but a number of PS5 blockbusters including Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West, and possibly God of War Ragnarok, are crossgen titles, and other Sony execs have hinted PS4 support will continue for at least another three years. Jim Ryan reiterated this idea in a new interview with the Russian News Agency TASS…
So, if crossgen is going to be a reality of life for some time to come, when are those real next-gen PS5 experiences going to arrive? Stuff that wouldn’t even be imaginable on PS4? According to Ryan, they aren’t coming this year or even next year – 2022 is when the PS5’s power will be truly tapped.
Again, this doesn’t mean there won’t be PS5 exclusives before then – we already have two big ones in Demon’s Souls and the upcoming Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. But it seems the real mind-blowing stuff with the fidelity of that amazing Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo, is still some ways away.
The PlayStation 5 is available now worldwide. What do you think about Ryan’s comments? Are a couple years too long to wait for those generation-defining games? Or are you cool with this transitional period?
PS5’s True “Generation-Defining” Games Won’t Come Until 2022 Says Jim Ryan
The PS5 has officially launched in all regions of the world, but it may be a while before truly transformational next-gen experiences arrive.wccftech.com
Uh oh.
The point is that Second Son is not doing anything truly next-gen besides delivering a graphical leap, because at it's core is the same game that inFAMOUS 2 was.Bloodborne is literally metroid with better graphics, so of course that it could've been done on the super nintendo by lowering the overall visual quality of the game.
Sampler Feedback Streaming is a use case of Sampler Feedback, the overall feature. It will absolutely come to PC I already confirmed it on the DX Developer Discord.Games don't need ray tracing to look great. And also, there are some features specific to consoles (sampler feedback streaming, NOT sampler feedback) that are not on PC. Be positive.
You are not a victim.
Maybe it has to do with how you carry yourself hiding behind an “Industry Professional” tag, ya big baby.
That guy is wishing upon a star.
Those words are so misleading and that's why people expect CGI graphics from nothing but a mid-low end graphics card. It's not in the cards.
All the bandwidth is already taken up in higher pixel count.
You heard it hear first, you will NOT see any kind of features that the PC GPUs struggle with on next-gen consoles. Period. All the 3d features that are already out is all you'll get. I can see an UE5 demo turning into a game but that's not much better than what we see today tbh.
Wait for PS6/PS7 or XSX3. PC is already showing the max visual tech features you can get and the consoles can't run them all.
You’re right, we will get zero improvements in the pipelines. AssCreed is the end all be all.
Improvements never happened any generation, ever. You are peddling shit now.
But seriously though, why do people still swallow crap talk like this?
For starters, i don't really expect sony games to deliver much in terms of innovation, at best great art direction
Probably because you react. I usually stop bothering after a few comments, since for many here anything less than "Sony is the best game maker of all time" equals blasphemy.
The point is that Second Son is not doing anything truly next-gen besides delivering a graphical leap, because at it's core is the same game that inFAMOUS 2 was.
Your the only one angry and shouting here. I'm sure there's a pc forum somewhere that would appreciate your opinions.
We are comparing the generational leap between ps4 and ps5. Which there is a graphical leap. We are not comparing to pc graphics. We all know pcs have the best graphics.
We don't need hostile reminding by you.
Your angle is all wrong. He’s not talking about just maxing GPU. He’s talking about the marriage of the whole system. During each new console launch, devs always say they are finally free to create whatever they want, but this gen, it’s more true than ever. The whole render pipeline being changed to accommodate for the massive i/o increase. The games you play today are still made «the old way».
Go back to this post of yours in a years time, and you’d wish you could eat your words. I’ve said it many times already, this gen will be quite special.
Cool - no one ever said it was cross-gen only. Sony,, have certainly insinuated that the PS5 was next-gen only.
Enigma, This guy is saying a logical statement. Why don't ya'll give him shit over it? Why don't you tell him he's a Sony hater for this comment? It's basically along the same lines of what I've said.
He's saying stupidity, yes it's the same as what you do but it's a lot easier to ignore when someone isn't saying the same stupid shit page after page for months.
You're spam fill these forums so much that it actually becomes a pain if I hit the ignore button
He's indeed saying dumbshit,
I feel the same about you guys talking over and over and over again about how the PS5 will pull rabbits out of it's GPU and overcome the engineering barrier. Or that ONLY a Sony exclusive is a real game and every other game isn't. Or that you continuously say there was a generational leap in fidelity during the PS4 early days and the end days but constantly can't come up with any technical receipts to engage in discussion. How about you put down the Sony cross and actually engage in gaming discussions that aren't biased towards your console of choice? Maybe we can all benefit from a neutral conversation?
You asked why people aren't going after him specifically.
The answer is because he doesn't spam threads like you do.
You are trying to use the point that if you put 20 people together they say the same things as justification for spreading as much dumb shit as 20 people.
Say's the person that vehemently argues against John Carmack like he didn't actually create the 3d game industry - neigh the entiiiiiiire game industry - and then also antagonizes Unreal Engine 5 Dev's/Gearbox Software/Hellblade Dev's onwards with countless numerous mentions that Next Gen Consoles will reign in a new era of Visuals while you argue otherwise.I feel the same about you guys talking over and over and over again about how the PS5 will pull rabbits out of it's GPU and overcome the engineering barrier. Or that ONLY a Sony exclusive is a real game and every other game isn't. Or that you continuously say there was a generational leap in fidelity during the PS4 early days and the end days but constantly can't come up with any technical receipts to engage in discussion. How about you put down the Sony cross and actually engage in gaming discussions that aren't biased towards your console of choice? Maybe we can all benefit from a neutral conversation?
And they will, and they will do it again - while PC's are left clamoring and racing to try and make a game that not only fully utilizes now a 2080 - but GPU's released just within the last few month's; and as I have pointed out no Dev will be able to actually deliver a game that fully utilizes the latest GPU's for some years after these new consoles actually release visually stunning titles.
And no, crossplatform games that compromise and forego tailored offering's on PC
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It ain't a real game unless it is a 3rd person action game with some light rpg mechanics, okay.. all other games are inferior..I feel the same about you guys talking over and over and over again about how the PS5 will pull rabbits out of it's GPU and overcome the engineering barrier. Or that ONLY a Sony exclusive is a real game and every other game isn't. Or that you continuously say there was a generational leap in fidelity during the PS4 early days and the end days but constantly can't come up with any technical receipts to engage in discussion. How about you put down the Sony cross and actually engage in gaming discussions that aren't biased towards your console of choice? Maybe we can all benefit from a neutral conversation?
If he continuously gave his opinion and you continuously called everything he said "dumb" because it doesn't fit your narrative and you have NOTHING to back up calling it that.. YOU are the problem. Not him .. or anybody else. A lot of people don't engage you dudes because you are exhausting.. Period. You NEVER see any faults in Sony and you continuously wear the superiority badge. I just happen to hate it so much that I'd rather spam the threads continuously shouting how completely biased your lot is and how fake you are about what's reality and what's your own imagination. When you guys can admit even ONE thing (i.e. RT is weak) that indicates the PS isn't the end-all-be-all (you give me shit for the PC which IS the best hardware in reality), you would score BIG points in me and several other people's books. Don't think for a second that I'm alone in what I think or say about you guys... you really need to look at yourselves.
I’m using my iPad now, so I’ll be fast and bluntRaySoft - I'm sorry man, but you guys give nothing but conjecture. I'm looking for specifics that you SHOULD be able to address.
The rendering pipeline I/O will change but not the renderer itself. There is no need. There are no new features that would warrant a complete rewrite of a rendering engine. GG is going to change their renderer to support multiplatforms... and so is ND (already leaked and I told you guys this months ago). The PS5 is VERY similar architecture to the PS4 in terms of components like CPU/GPU (which are the main drivers of visuals).
The only thing that is made the "old way" in games today other than the HDD I/O are all the lighting and screenspace techniques. So I ask again, how are you going to introduce a new lighting system that uses something other than 2d screenspace? And is that lighting system going to be RT? IF so, you already know the consoles are significantly weak at rendering RT. So not seeing much of a change there.. certainly not a "generational leap" change.
Again, I am no Sony fanboy - in fact I don't like Sony. I have pointed this out to you specifically, you are weak to suggest it again. You have no ground for argument when faced with actual industry veteran account's citing how clearly wrong you are. And inferring Id Software is a low skill ignorant 3rd party company speaks to this quiet clearly.OK. SO what you just said is that only a PS5 (for consoles since the Xbox is a multiplatform console and is tied to the PC) in it's low-end hardware that can barely do RT will release visually stunning 1st party ONLY titles and pave the way the ignorant and unskilled 3rd party companies like CDPR, Activision, Ubisoft, ID SOFTWARE and pretty much everyone except that small handful of Sony devs.
You are more blind to Sony than even the most irrational of zealots..
I'm done here.
Say's the person that vehemently argues against John Carmack like he didn't actually create the 3d game industry - neigh the entiiiiiiire game industry - and then also antagonizes Unreal Engine 5 Dev's/Gearbox Software/Hellblade Dev's onwards with countless numerous mentions that Next Gen Consoles will reign in a new era of Visuals while you argue otherwise.
But I do not care what you think of me at all. I do not want you to change your mind about anyone.
And I'm not here to educate you every time you spout stuff that goes against reality.
I am totally fine with you continuing to be wrong, just stop spamming it every time someone says something good about Sony.
I'm not even a Sony fan, I care way more about nintendo and PC. they have maybe 1 game I really care about every couple of years. But if you live in reality you have to agree they are dominating.
You should never buy anything at launch.Then why we should buy a PS5 now?
The carrot and stick game has begun.
How are you educating me? With opinions or facts?
And I'm not here to educate you
I don't think you understand me. My beef is the superiority complex of the Sony guys. Do you not see that? Surely if you ask the Xbox/PC guys they see it. So why are you up my ass for expressing my hatred of it?
I’m using my iPad now, so I’ll be fast and blunt
Just the mesh/primitive shaders will be a godsend this gen. The ability to transform geometry on the fly delivered to you on the fastest silver platter yet seen?
You seem too caugth up in rops and GPU power.
Regarding RT, it’s not mature enough yet. The hardware supports it, but I dont think they will use it that much, it costs too much for what it brings. Some cool effect here and there, sure, but devs will always use what gives more costing less.
1st party console devs are kinda magichians, Naugty dog is a great example of this, creating stunning visuals on screen with as little cost as possible.
Every dev cheats here and there, but if we cant even spot the difference, who cares? That’s what master class is.
I assume you're talking about that Carmack 2x thing. Well he said that in a world where consoles were still highly customized and specialized hardware that you went down to assembly level to get the most out of it if you needed. It's how we got serviceable ports of Quake 1 on Saturn with its 33mhz CPUs (when the minimum was a 75mhz Pentium) or Quake 2 on PSX. Even the gen before last, devs were able to use the Cell SPUs to do highly customizable AA solutions that didn't exist before and used regular GPU overhead to do comparable on PC.
These days the consoles are built on PC hardware running PC-derived APIs. It's true that you can gain some efficiencies by coding to one piece of hardware, but the PC can and will do anything these consoles can do, as we saw right from the jump with WD Legion. Any enhancements over what we see in WDL or ACV on PS5 can be brought to PC as well, the console isn't magic.
FTFYNext Gen Console visual's will be brilliant and incomprehensible when fully utilized - so say's the entirety of the gaming industry that wants you to buy next gen consoles.
Will they deliver entirely destructible scenarios!?!? Oh, they mean even more of those "cinematic experiences" huh....Take notice Gamer's we have entered a generation that can finally deliver close to everything you've ever wanted to see - time to celebrate;
I wish the mediocre writing of AAA games would fall to the wayside...and ignore those fallen by the wayside due to mediocrity.