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Opinion PS5 focus is high performance, not high power. Are people underestimating the value of the approach?

DynamiteCop!

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TBiddy TBiddy and DynamiteCop! DynamiteCop!

I'll gift you both one month of GAF Gold if you provide us actual evidence that Xbox's SSD is at the same level and class as the PS5's SSD in terms of levels of optimization, elimination of bottleneck, perfomance, and sheer raw compression speeds.
I don't really give a shit because both SSD's and their subsystems will undoubtedly execute the same level of workloads extremely proficiently. Microsoft clearly put more money into their system, there's a reason their drive is the speed it is, there's a reason for their specific compression methods, there's a reason they decided on a wider bus and higher memory bandwidth.

They have a much wider array of tangible knowledge at their disposal to make the decisions they are.
 

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You’re not getting what Mark Cerny said.
Please do elaborate then.

TBiddy TBiddy and DynamiteCop! DynamiteCop!

I'll gift you both one month of GAF Gold if you provide us actual evidence that Xbox's SSD is at the same level and class as the PS5's SSD in terms of levels of optimization, elimination of bottlenecks, perfomance, and sheer raw compression speeds.

Seems like an odd thing to start talking about. I’ve stated several times that the SSD in the PS5 is much faster than the one in the XSX.
 

MiyazakiHatesKojima

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I don't really give a shit because both SSD's and their subsystems will undoubtedly execute the same level of workloads extremely proficiently. Microsoft clearly put more money into their system, there's a reason their drive is the speed it is, there's a reason for their specific compression methods, there's a reason they decided on a wider bus and higher memory bandwidth.

They have a much wider array of tangible knowledge at their disposal to make the decisions they are.
 

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People like you so easily forget that Microsoft operates Windows and mines data on system usage via hardware and game operation, something Sony has zero access to. They didn't put the SSD they did in their system because they were prohibited from getting or building something better, they did so because they know they don't need something better and there's workarounds within the memory and bus which negate the necessity of faster storage.
 

Kagey K

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Jesus,

When is enough going to be enough?

Let’s look at this in reverse. Some of you are downplaying the series X, it has an SSD, it has custom Raytracing chips and it has a custom audio chip. I don’t know where you think this magic bottleneck is going to come from.

It’s time to give it up and go back to talking about the 2 Sony Made exclusives per year that will be the real difference.
 

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I don't care too much about Ray Tracing because of the performance hit but i do appreciate what it does to the image . But what's this place going to be like when the differences are shown in that. (If there are any)
 

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No i don't think they are, most of us on here know its going to be absolutely fine, and hardly any different to the XSX when it comes to the comparisons, most time resolution. It's just peoples ego's that don't like the fact that Sony got beat by XBOX with the power.
They'll both be a great.
Okay, thanks Mario.
 
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MiyazakiHatesKojima

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Jesus,

When is enough going to be enough?

Let’s look at this in reverse. Some of you are downplaying the series X, it has an SSD, it has custom Raytracing chips and it has a custom audio chip. I don’t know where you think this magic bottleneck is going to come from.

It’s time to give it up and go back to talking about the 2 Sony Made exclusives per year that will be the real difference.
Are you both cousins or something?

Both dismissive and downplaying actually legitimate technology that developers around the world are praising and excited about.

What really upsets me is when someone makes a pro-Sony thread that doesn't bring up Xbox in any negative way, you classify it as "dAmAgE cOnTrOl" and proceed to derail the entire thread as some sort of punishment for praising a particular aspect of the PS5.
 

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People like you so easily forget that Microsoft operates Windows and mines data on system usage via hardware and game operation, something Sony has zero access to. They didn't put the SSD they did in their system because they were prohibited from getting or building something better, they did so because they know they don't need something better and there's workarounds within the memory and bus which negate the necessity of faster storage.
We invented DirectX part II?
 

MiyazakiHatesKojima

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It’ll be up to them to prove it. Until then it’ll be show me the receipts and bullshit.
Wow, what a great counterargument technique!

"It'll be up to them to prove it" but Xbox gets the benefit of the doubt and don't have to, right?

Get this childish grammar-school argumentation out of your system before its too late for you as a GAF member.
 
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Are you both cousins or something?

Both dismissive and downplaying actually legitimate technology that developers around the world are praising and excited about.

What really upsets me is when someone makes a pro-Sony thread that doesn't bring up Xbox in any negative way, you classify it as "dAmAgE cOnTrOl" and proceed to derail the entire thread as some sort of punishment for praising a particular aspect of the PS5.
Indeed, any pro PS5 thread that does not even mention the competition sees a mix of Kagey K Kagey K DynamiteCop! DynamiteCop! Bernkastel Bernkastel and others coming in trying to downplay everything. “People need to accept PS5 is not just slower, but shit and badly designed... cannot stop until there is no more positive PS5 conversations going”.
 

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To add some positivity to the thread...

One of the greatest monologues ever given by a systems engineer
I unironically agree. Would footage have been cool? Absolutely. But it was genuinely fascinating to watch an actual hardware designer get to talk about his baby, in detail, and without dumbing things down too much.

I’d love to see that become a standard of sorts for everyone.
 

Kagey K

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Wow, what a great counterargument technique!

"It'll be up to them to prove it" but Xbox gets the benefit of the doubt and don't have to, right?

Get this childish grammar-school argumentation out of your system before its too late for you as a GAF member.
Yeah, it will be up to them to prove it. Side by side it’s very obvious to seee the advantages.

If you want to argue 1 is worth more then 10 you will have to prove it. The people that say 10 is more then 1 have no burden of proof as it’s a relatively accepted fact.

Sorry if that upsets you.
 

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Indeed, any pro PS5 thread that does not even mention the competition sees a mix of Kagey K Kagey K DynamiteCop! DynamiteCop! Bernkastel Bernkastel and others coming in trying to downplay everything. “People need to accept PS5 is not just slower, but shit and badly designed... cannot stop until there is no more positive PS5 conversations going”.
You don't need 80 threads to talk about the same exact things ad nauseum. It's getting trashed because you're putting an insecure target on it and pissing everybody off with annoying topic spam.
 

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Yes, I bet MS only has stupid engineers 🤣

Nice of you to dismiss Microsoft’s custom adjustments at first hand, compression, velocity engine etc..
 
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MiyazakiHatesKojima

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Yeah, it will be up to them to prove it. Side by side it’s very obvious to seee the advantages.

If you want to argue 1 is worth more then 10 you will have to prove it. The people that say 10 is more then 1 have no burden of proof as it’s a relatively accepted fact.

Sorry if that upsets you.
You're not very bright, are you?

Who are you trying to fool with this shitty impersonation of James Spader's character on Boston Legal?

You're not an Ace Pheonix in real-life, that's for damn sure.
 
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Sony claims to have effectively created hardware (not SSD related) that resolves inefficiencies end to end in gaming that goes onto freeing up the GPU and CPU allowing for those resources to be used elsewhere.
So, exactly the same as every single console in the last 20 years, give or take.

There’s nothing news worthy about this thread.
 

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You don't need 80 threads to talk about the same exact things ad nauseum. It's getting trashed because you're putting an insecure target on it and pissing everybody off with annoying topic spam.
You do not get to judge what people want to do... as if there were not thread designed to gloat about XSX, discuss its PR presented tech points in detail, discuss the latest Phil comment split in tons of separate threads... and here you are basically saying “yeah I troll Sony threads to teach them a lesson, so what bruh?!?”.
 
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Panajev2001a

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Yes, I bet MS only has stupid engineers 🤣

Nice of you to dismiss Microsoft’s custom adjustments at first hand, compression, velocity engine etc..
Nice made up straw man, nobody is saying that and it is just standard projecting on your part. Keep hounding positive PS5 threads trying to dismiss anything positive and establish the notion that PS5 is a shit design and XSX is brought to you by the heavens or something. Happier :)?
 
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MiyazakiHatesKojima

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You do not get to judge what people want to do... as if there were not thread designed to gloat about XSX, discuss its PR presented tech points in detail, discuss the latest Phil comment split in tons of separate threads... and here you basically saying “yeah I troll Sony threads to teach them a lesson, so what bruh?!?”.
This is all you need to know about the guy.
 
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People are definitely overestimating PS5s performance and underestimating XSX's performance. They are trying to save face but not all dreams are meant to come true. That’s why its important to plan and build another dream.
 

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People are definitely overestimating PS5s performance and underestimating XSX's performance. They are trying to save face but not all dreams are meant to come true. That’s why its important to plan and build another dream.
Oh boy, another levelheaded Xbox poster coming in and giving his two cents to educate us console peasants.

I will not give up being a member in GAF no matter how hard you guys make it for us folks here.
 
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As I've said in other threads, all they are getting on Xbox Series X is cross-platform games...... it's not next gen as we used to call it.

The only truly next gen console launching later this year is PS5, that is because it will get games designed around the new hardware. Not just higher resolution versions at 60 fps.... That is not a generational leap.

What they showed for Gears 5 was pathetic, if that is the extent to the benefits of XSX.
 

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As I've said in other threads, all they are getting on Xbox Series X is cross-platform games...... it's not next gen as we used to call it.

The only truly next gen console launching later this year is PS5, that is because it will get games designed around the new hardware. Not just higher resolution versions at 60 fps.... That is not a generational leap.

What they showed for Gears 5 was pathetic, if that is the extent to the benefits of XSX.
Nextgen will all be about ray tracing.
 

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As I've said in other threads, all they are getting on Xbox Series X is cross-platform games...... it's not next gen as we used to call it.

The only truly next gen console launching later this year is PS5, that is because it will get games designed around the new hardware. Not just higher resolution versions at 60 fps.... That is not a generational leap.

What they showed for Gears 5 was pathetic, if that is the extent to the benefits of XSX.
We still haven't seen nextgen games from them though. Just Hellblade and Halo infinite (I think it's called). If gameplay graphics look like that then they look great. Plus we're just at the start of nextgen. Down the line we'll see graphics improve as usual.