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PS5 hits 92.1M, outsells Switch 2 in Q3; Profits top $15B

Not bad for the worst generation of PlayStation 🤔
Yeah I don't understand how it's their worst but the best profit overall. I've not enjoyed this gen so far. PS2/PS4 were my favs.

I'm happy PS5 is bringing in the money for Sony. I think Sony is a shell of its past life. Computers gone, Music gone, TV's gone.... It's just movie studios and PlayStation to keep the lights on.
 
Yeah I don't understand how it's their worst but the best profit overall. I've not enjoyed this gen so far. PS2/PS4 were my favs.

I'm happy PS5 is bringing in the money for Sony. I think Sony is a shell of its past life. Computers gone, Music gone, TV's gone.... It's just movie studios and PlayStation to keep the lights on.

Individual opinions on PS5 being worst or not do not have to agree with the sales results. Mine certainly don't. I like a Sony being pushed by competition.

But Sony won the console war and these are the spoils. It is what it is.
 
So, now hardware power is excuse. What else?
Well did you not miss the part that switch 2 wasn't even available for 5 years of the ps5 life meaning you couldn't play most aaa games that move ps5s on the Switch . Now switch 2 is coming 5 years later you think those people gonna get a switch 2 for late current gen games thst have been selling ps5 for years. Its a totally different market.
 
I know I'm an exception here on this forum, but I'm loving this generation. We're living in a time where countless games are being made by a wide variety of studios all around the world. Last year, Expedition 33 broke records at the TGA, and tell me: before that game was released, who would have imagined that happening? At the end of last year, I played Lies of P, a game developed by a South Korean studio with no prior experience in soulslikes, and to my surprise, I found it better than many titles from FromSoftware itself. The indie scene is stronger than ever, and I honestly have more games than I'll ever be able to play.

Even when I think about Sony's own first-party lineup, I can see positive things. Games like Astro Bot, Returnal, and Helldivers 2 helped diversify the portfolio, something they had promised for a long time, and this continues to happen with Marvel Tokon.
 
Now switch 2 is coming 5 years later you think those people gonna get a switch 2 for late current gen games thst have been selling ps5 for years. Its a totally different market.

Looks like Final Fantasy 7 Remake did good on Switch 2. Also, Xbox games are coming to Switch 2 as well. Yes, it is a competitor
 
Stop lying to yourself
Sir, the PS2 was also a cheap but good DVD player and that was very helpful.
The msrp at launch was only 299 $ and was lowered to 199 $ in may 2002, undercutting both the Xbox and GameCube.
The PS2 got huge price reductions in 2001, 2002, 2003 and the slim was avaible in 2006 for ~130.
MS gave up their first generation after 3-4 years.
That wasn't a competition.
The most series/IPs like GTA, Final Fantasy and many other series were PS2 exclusive or at least time exclusive.

And now compare the PS3 and Xbox360 generation, as MS was a serious competitor.
We don't have to discuss if MS was still one in the One/PS4 generation..
A more expensive console, but with less power, almost no exklusive games, the focus on kinect and TV and so on.
 
Yeah I don't understand how it's their worst but the best profit overall. I've not enjoyed this gen so far. PS2/PS4 were my favs.

I'm happy PS5 is bringing in the money for Sony. I think Sony is a shell of its past life. Computers gone, Music gone, TV's gone.... It's just movie studios and PlayStation to keep the lights on.
They sold their music division, what?! They owned like 50% of the industry or something crazy.
 
The goal is to differentiate yourself from your competition. However Xbox has left the stage and Switch is already significantly different enough that it is no longer a one to one replacement purchase. 1st party games has a place, it just isn't where Sony earns its money and right now and what with console wars being dead and all, it isn't priority.

Part of the reason 1st party games were so important for PS3 was because 3rd parties struggle to port their games to the Cell. It was a costly but necessary pivot. It doesn't mean it is the be all and end all, unless you are Nintendo.

Sony makes their money by nurturing 3rd party partnerships. Been like that since PS1.
So after Horizon Fortnite edition was announced - it think my comment about Sony first party being irrelevant kind of aged well;)
 
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Is that a typo? 92M PS5s shipped?

And GTA6 inevitable bundle not even released yet? No wonder they aren't bothering with PS6 yet.
 
I think it's more from a hardware standpoint. Also, my XSX literally collects dust. I just vacuumed it the other day.

The point is there's no need right now for a Xbox Series X user to buy a PS5 as they are still getting all the big games they got before

The migration phase will come when third-party Devs skip the platform for good...
 
You can't be serious LOL!
About which part? Definitely serious. Sales are mostly flat, operating profit is way up. So they are making way bigger margins. But they aren't releasing anything interesting. Instead of just doing the "laugh" thing, why not contribute? You know ... on a "discussion" board. Tell me what you think.
 
Yes, and it's quite experimental for From, so they are willing to split costs as success is uncertain

Nintendo fans trying to find any meaningful straw to hang their hope on is very pitiful
It's cute watching them desperately trying to convince themselves that it's Bloodborne 2. They're so obsessed with "sticking it" to Sony. Sad bunch of losers.
 
Sure. :/ That is one of the biggest crap I've heard. So, why From Software Duskoblood wont be on PS5? I mean, it should be irrelevant for Nintendo to be on PS5 because PS5 isn't a competition to Switch 2. :/ Switch 2 is much bigger competitor to PS5 than Xbox is. Nintendo can easily, very easily make a deal with Capcom for next Resident Evil or Monster Hunter to be exclusive on Switch 2. And those franchises are on PS5 too. Yes, it is competitor
Nah, he's right. I can happily have a switch and ps5 coexist and get a lot out of each. PS5 and Xbox are highly redundant at this point, with nearly zero reason to get the Xbox.
 
Sir, the PS2 was also a cheap but good DVD player and that was very helpful.
The msrp at launch was only 299 $ and was lowered to 199 $ in may 2002, undercutting both the Xbox and GameCube.

Gamecube launch price is $199. Lol

Edit: and both Xbox and Gamecube were cheaper throughout the upcoming years. You are writing some nonsense.
 
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Worst first party line-up of any Playataion generation excluding the Vita? Maybe.

Record profits on the backs of sbuscriptions, microtransaction and digital sales. Xbox crumbles (for now) they don't even have to try right.

Lack of hardware discounts and reduced prices.

Increase in game prices overall and digital versions cost the same as physical versions, somtimes more. Like WTF?

Absolutely terrible for gaming and gamers going forward. It's not arrogant Sony, it's just plain fat-thor Sony.

Do yall just skip the part where they list Sony's 1st Party game sales as a key driver for profit this last quarter on purpose? What's wrong with you people?!
 
The point is there's no need right now for a Xbox Series X user to buy a PS5 as they are still getting all the big games they got before

The migration phase will come when third-party Devs skip the platform for good...

The point is users upgrading to current gen really have no reason to choose an Xbox anymore because the outlook is poor. It would be much wiser to buy a PS5 and stay in that ecosystem.
 
The point is users upgrading to current gen really have no reason to choose an Xbox anymore because the outlook is poor. It would be much wiser to buy a PS5 and stay in that ecosystem.

That's another matter....

You are talking about people still stuck on Xbox One in this case...

They are not many, I think

But the real migration starts when Xbox Series users are forced to move to Sony
 
That's another matter....

You are talking about people still stuck on Xbox One in this case...

They are not many, I think

But the real migration starts when Xbox Series users are forced to move to Sony

I mean anyone on ps4 or Xbox One. I also think this is really more of a comment on current competitive landscape vs launch aligned PS4 landscape.

With that said, I don't think Xbox tanking is that big of an impact. Even Phil said they lost the console war last gen. With digital games and backwards compatibility Xbox was doomed this gen without killer exclusive titles or hardware advantages. I think that's why they went on their publisher spending spree and it completely backfired.
 
Did good based on what? it sold 28k in japan in 2 weeks and the uk charts its already number 17 it might sell life time 500k lol hardly why people are buying the switch 2.

Yeah, for a 6 years old game which already sold millions before did good. Also, Switch 2 installbase still isn't big. 3rd part will be big. So, yes, it is a competitor.


. I can happily have a switch and ps5 coexist and get a lot out of each.

Yes, i happily had N64 and PS1 back then despite PS1 got bunch of 3rd party games. Not so on N64. But they were competitors.
 
Not really. The brand sells it self and increasing goodwill from previous generations. They just reaped the benefits while under delivering.

Hulst got demoted
Maybe there's a reason the brand has so much goodwill despite your personal feelings about it?
Gonna Cry Tobey Maguire GIF
 
T Tobimacoss come and sell us on some xcloud my friend.

You know we can't wait for today's sales pitch.
So are you denying that Jim Ryan said to the Courts that Sony makes $1.2-$1.5 billion in revenues from COD each year? With third of that in profit.

This year, Battlefield 6 and Arc Raiders picked up the slack, but those aren't yearly entries like COD.

All I said was that those wishing for COD to fail just because it's owned by Xbox, are basically wanting everyone involved to lose money including Sony.
 
About which part? Definitely serious. Sales are mostly flat, operating profit is way up. So they are making way bigger margins. But they aren't releasing anything interesting. Instead of just doing the "laugh" thing, why not contribute? You know ... on a "discussion" board. Tell me what you think.

I think it's ignorant that many people in this thread are ignoring reality. Like how most seem to forget Sony just released Ghost of Yotei IN THIS SAME QUARTER THAT THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT!!! Yet, to say they are releasing nothing interesting is pure BS.

Just say you don't like their 1st party games and be done with it. Gamers in general disagree.
 
So are you denying that Jim Ryan said to the Courts that Sony makes $1.2-$1.5 billion in revenues from COD each year? With third of that in profit.

This year, Battlefield 6 and Arc Raiders picked up the slack, but those aren't yearly entries like COD.

All I said was that those wishing for COD to fail just because it's owned by Xbox, are basically wanting everyone involved to lose money including Sony.

Stupidity Are You Stupid GIF


The people who would typically buy COD have moved on to other games and are playing those instead. There is no world where those people will be buying Battlefield/Arc Raiders in addition to COD (should COD manage to ever not be the same recycled shit again), that's not how it works when that crowd only buy 1-2 games per year.

So no, in this current real world scenario where COD's numbers continue to fall year after year, the only party who suffers is Microsoft since they are the ones who now own Activision.

The other 3rd party platform holders retain the users that would otherwise have purchased COD, and they retain the dollars spent since those people will spend the money that once would have gone towards COD on other titles.

Despite your hopes and dreams for a fictional scenario where the risk is spread and has a contagion effect on the entire industry (or in particular towards Sony, which is funny in itself considering they are not the only other counterparty in such a scenario), the results prove that it is Microsoft alone who have taken on all the risk, and they are not getting any reward.

Sorry for your delusion, and sorry for your loss.
 
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The PlayStation 5 is by far the best proof that the internet is a damn parallel world. And every time Sony releases their earnings call, this parallel world shatters.
 
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Hey everyone,

I wonder now is the perfect time for Sony to announce their PS5 Pro PSSR 2.0 supported games. My guess would be around somewhere February 12th week right around State of Play is rumored to be happening but what do you guys think?
 
Hey everyone,

I wonder now is the perfect time for Sony to announce their PS5 Pro PSSR 2.0 supported games. My guess would be around somewhere February 12th week right around State of Play is rumored to be happening but what do you guys think?
If they're not dumb enough (but their marketing team has been a lot of times) they should do it in the next State of Play to reach more users.

But they'll possibly use a Blog post instead.
 
Stupidity Are You Stupid GIF


The people who would typically buy COD have moved on to other games and are playing those instead. There is no world where those people will be buying Battlefield/Arc Raiders in addition to COD (should COD manage to ever not be the same recycled shit again), that's not how it works when that crowd only buy 1-2 games per year.

So no, in this current real world scenario where COD's numbers continue to fall year after year, the only party who suffers is Microsoft since they are the ones who now own Activision.

The other 3rd party platform holders retain the users that would otherwise have purchased COD, and they retain the dollars spent since those people will spend the money that once would have gone towards COD on other titles.

Despite your hopes and dreams for a fictional scenario where the risk is spread and has a contagion effect on the entire industry (or in particular towards Sony, which is funny in itself considering they are not the only other counterparty in such a scenario), the results prove that it is Microsoft alone who have taken on all the risk, and they are not getting any reward.

Sorry for your delusion, and sorry for your loss.
Ok, so according to you, COD is already done, and will never recover, will never be the top game every year.

Makes no difference to me, I don't play COD much, except few weeks with my cousin.
 
Gamecube launch price is $199. Lol
My bad.
I can remember that MS launched their Xbox for 480 € / £299 in europe and quickly (~one month after launch) cut the price at 299 € / £199 in europe.
But do you agree that the Xbox wasn't a serious competitor and that the DVD playback feature of the PS2 was very helpful?
 
And now compare the PS3 and Xbox360 generation, as MS was a serious competitor.
We don't have to discuss if MS was still one in the One/PS4 generation..
A more expensive console, but with less power, almost no exklusive games, the focus on kinect and TV and so on.
The PS3 launched $200 more expensive than the Xbox 360 and saw massive exodus of third party exclusive games plus MS started to do a lot of timed exclusive deals.

The Xbox One launched for $100 more than the PS4 but their demise was mostly due to MS since the end of the 360 era.
 
Sony lost money from the COD slump in sales. That's a fact. Just because they had other games replace that lost revenue doesn't take away anything from that fact.

Perhaps, but Sony also didn't spend 10s of billions only to have slumps on the revenue that investment was supposed to bring in. Ironically, Sony did have other games to pick up the slack and still beat last years number in software sales. So you can try and transfer the sting from Xbox financials if it makes you feel better, but that whole line of thinking is a bit absurd.
 
Perhaps, but Sony also didn't spend 10s of billions only to have slumps on the revenue that investment was supposed to bring in. Ironically, Sony did have other games to pick up the slack and still beat last years number in software sales. So you can try and transfer the sting from Xbox financials if it makes you feel better, but that whole line of thinking is a bit absurd.
I'm guessing this was a new marching order to claim Call of Duty fall off is going to hurt PS5 because

Someone else was pushing this same foolishness

Post in thread 'Black Ops 7 not in PS Store top 5 downloads, breaking 10-year streak for Call of Duty franchise' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/blac...call-of-duty-franchise.1692337/post-271175570
 
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Sony lost money from the COD slump in sales. That's a fact. Just because they had other games replace that lost revenue doesn't take away anything from that fact.

COD dying would be bad for entire industry, but ok.
Sony only cares about games selling on their platform. They get their 30% cut from all of them. Big sellers, small sellers, medium sellers, doesn't matter. If CoD is underperforming, then something else is probably over performing.

The only loser when a game sells poorly is its publisher, which in this case is MS. Who also happened to just spend $70 billion largely for this one franchise that is now tanking.
 
I know I'm an exception here on this forum, but I'm loving this generation. We're living in a time where countless games are being made by a wide variety of studios all around the world. Last year, Expedition 33 broke records at the TGA, and tell me: before that game was released, who would have imagined that happening? At the end of last year, I played Lies of P, a game developed by a South Korean studio with no prior experience in soulslikes, and to my surprise, I found it better than many titles from FromSoftware itself. The indie scene is stronger than ever, and I honestly have more games than I'll ever be able to play.

Even when I think about Sony's own first-party lineup, I can see positive things. Games like Astro Bot, Returnal, and Helldivers 2 helped diversify the portfolio, something they had promised for a long time, and this continues to happen with Marvel Tokon.
Well said and glad to see somebody is happy enjoying the games. People have just become extremely jaded it seems. People feel like the rising popularity of f2p/GaaS has killed their hobby and they complain about everything but there are amazing games to play every year and PS has never had a bigger library. Constant new releases, 100% PS4 BC akin to the PS2 era, and now getting almost all games like gears, Forza, Halo, etc to go with those exclusives/third parties. Indies are thriving and new studios previously unheard of are releasing top games. We even have awesome VR games we didn't have during 360/PS3 or earlier.

People just bandwagon and complain about "this gen" though regardless of what happens or releases because they never seem happy, especially those who this gen has not been very kind to. I suspect a bunch of people live off nostalgia and long for the "better old days" hence why remakes and remasters are so popular too.
 
Sony lost money from the COD slump in sales. That's a fact. Just because they had other games replace that lost revenue doesn't take away anything from that fact.

COD dying would be bad for entire industry, but ok.
That's not a fact that's your assumption. If the same people who normally purchase COD went on to purchase BF6 or arc raiders (maybe both) and spend money in those games Sony didn't lose money. Your making an assumption. So I'll make an assumption that all those COD players went on to BF6 or arc raiders once again proving that the only one who lost money was Xbox.

In fact based on my group's spending habits Sony actually made more money. All 4 of us purchased Arc Raiders and BF6. We never purchase COD.
 
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About which part? Definitely serious. Sales are mostly flat, operating profit is way up. So they are making way bigger margins. But they aren't releasing anything interesting. Instead of just doing the "laugh" thing, why not contribute? You know ... on a "discussion" board. Tell me what you think.

They aren't releasing anything interesting is a weird thing to say considering the results they're getting and this is a thread about said results. Not saying this thread should be a circlejerk, but it feels like you're seething that they're being this successful. It's a bad way to start a conversation.
 
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