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[midnightAI]

It's wild to me how profitable the generation has been, when it's the only generation I've gotten rid of my PS with no plans to replace it. I've been a huge fan of every PS except this one. They are making gobs of money on something, and I have no idea what it is.

Hardware, software and services? Just a thought

 

[J Required]

Why do people keep saying console users are declining? 132M people on single platform each month is crazy to me.

You know why and by whom . Wink

 

[Caio]

PS5 is on track to outperform every previous PlayStation combined in operating income by the end of its life cycle, which will be extended with PS6 arriving later. The 2026 line-up is expected to deliver a huge boost, with GTA 6 sending revenues through the roof.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

What's with these wild excuses?
Brand sells itself?
No competition?
Major discounts?

It's honestly impressive how far people will stretch just to shrink Sony's success. It's okay to admit you were wrong — the universe won't collapse if you do.

I'm not making excuses for sonys success I was specifically referring to the part giving credit to hulst.

Whatever sonys success is this gen it is not down to him. And the games that gen haven't been that great.

 

[midnightAI]

Worst first party line-up of any Playataion generation excluding the Vita? Maybe.

I've really enjoyed the first party games, so worst line-up? Possibly, doesn't mean it was bad as far as quality goes and the gen hasn't finished with some big games to come.

Also, the Vita wasn't a gen on its own, it was (mostly) part of the PS3 gen.

 

[J Required]

I'm not making excuses for songs success I was specifically referring to the part giving credit to hulst.

Whatever songs success is this gen it is not down to him. And the games that gen haven't been that great.

 

[vivftp]

PS5 is on track to outperform every previous PlayStation combined in operating income by the end of its life cycle, which will be extended with PS6 arriving later. The 2026 line-up is expected to deliver a huge boost, with GTA 6 sending revenues through the roof.

Well we're already here:

Operating Income

PS5 ~ $15.5B

PS4 $9B

PS1 $3B

PS2 $2B

PS3 -$4B


Combined the PS1, PS2 and PS4 would be 14 billion, and then the PS3 drags that down to 10 billion. Even if we ignore the PS3, the PS5 is already ahead of every PlayStation home console combined. We'd just need PSP and Vita OI figures to factor them into the equation to see if it's ahead of the entire pack.

 

[J Required]

Well we're already here:

Operating Income

PS5 ~ $15.5B

PS4 $9B

PS1 $3B

PS2 $2B

PS3 -$4B


Combined the PS1, PS2 and PS4 would be 14 billion, and then the PS3 drags that down to 10 billion. Even if we ignore the PS3, the PS5 is already ahead of every PlayStation home console combined. We'd just need PSP and Vita OI figures to factor them into the equation to see if it's ahead of the entire pack.

Wait? So Concord didn't bring the entire company down? You would assume that seeing it mentioned frequently here.

Lol

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

It seems Sony is well prepared for 2026 and component shortages

 

[Hyper_hyper]

PS4 : 94.3M
PS5 : 92.1M

Considering the price difference. WOW

 

[vivftp]

Wait? So Concord didn't bring the entire company down? You would assume that seeing it mentioned frequently here.

Lol

Some folks have no sense of proportion and don't realize that Concord was a mere blip compared to PlayStation as a whole.

 

[gerth666]

My goodness. Well quantity of exclusives and variety and choices are not as many as ps2 or ps3 but Ps5 is really a good hardware. Just imagine if there are more variety and choices of exclusives, maybe ps5 is already at 100 mil.

I think it depends on what you enjoy playing.
If you only play AAA big games then ps5 is not as good, but if you look on the store and search through all the indy stuff, there's so many awesome games to choose from.
For me personally the Indy scene has replaced the AA games from the PS2 and PS3 era

 

[J Required]

It seems Sony is well prepared for 2026 and component shortages

Thats called a strategy and a great leadership. Not a stumbling one catering to forum dwellers like Microsoft.

 

[Elios83]

 

[clappedcheeks]

It's a really good result. It's great that there is still success in the console gaming market. The switch is doing well and Sony will continue to invest in PlayStation. I don't get the need to downplay any of it with a bunch of excuses for why Sony continues to have success. Surely we should be happy that the console market isn't dying and that there are companies still willing to participate. Even without a glut of new first party offerings there's still plenty of great games to play.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Not really. The brand sells it self and increasing goodwill from previous generations. They just reaped the benefits while under delivering.

Hulst got demoted

A console doesn't approach 100M because the predecessor did well. Stop with that narrative. When a console has a successful predecessor doesn't guarantee a hit console: Xbox One, Series consoles, Wii U, Vita, N64, GameCube, etc.

 

[Skifi28]

If a big company like xbox is exiting the market, pretty sure its doomed.

Maybe not immediately, but not healthy, for sure.

#Sony too

 

[Mownoc]

Sold on Par with PS4's equivalent holiday, even without GTA. And some people still think it's not going to outsell PS4 lol. Next holiday PS4 is getting ass blasted.

 

[Felessan]

If a big company like xbox is exiting the market, pretty sure its doomed.

Maybe not immediately, but not healthy, for sure.

Based on the same company - when the crash to smartphones will happen at last?

 

[Bert Big Balls]

shittiest Ps console!
actually the 1st one I sold so fast
I still have my Fat ps3

I think out of all the PS consoles, it's actually the best console they've released, it just doesn't have the game catalog to back it up.

 

[KungFucius]

Holy smokes, outselling Switch 2? I didn't see that coming.

On first thought, it is surprising, but they had great sales, Xbox was imploding, and RAMageddon was starting to become an obvious problem. So there are certainly reasons for people to get in while they could, none of which was a hyped, recently released, exclusive game so that kind of implies some more faith in the platform.

 

[TheGodfather07]

If a big company like xbox is exiting the market, pretty sure its doomed.

Maybe not immediately, but not healthy, for sure.

It goes to show how much of a failure the brand was when it couldn't gain a foothold in the industry even with the backing of Microsofts trillions. What a train wreck of an end for Xbox.

 

[Baemono]

XBS: 3.60 million (Estimate)

Corrected

 

[AlexAleste]

I think out of all the PS consoles, it's actually the best console they've released, it just doesn't have the game catalog to back it up.

Best in terms of what? We are talking about people/players, not corpo asses
Its also the ugliest.

 

[Bojji]

It seems Sony is well prepared for 2026 and component shortages

Says they will continue to negotiate with suppliers for memory to meet demand and will minimize the impact of rising memory costs in 2 ways:
1. Prioritizing monetization of the current install base
2. Further expanding their software and network services revenue

Sounds like PS+ price increase

 

[squallbr]

PHIL Spencer selling PS5

 

[Mozza]

I said Playstation has more global reach and the bigger brand globally and got tens of laugh emojis from Mozza and the @LordOcidax and others

I guess I was right, although its not much of a brag when its this obvious.

Both are massive brands to be honest, trying to decide which one has more reach is tough, as they are not really going after the same markets.

 

[squallbr]

Can we have games?
Worst fucking generation

Yes, PS4 games

 

[vaibhavpisal]

It goes to show how much of a failure the brand was when it couldn't gain a foothold in the industry even with the backing of Microsofts trillions. What a train wreck of an end for Xbox.

Nah.

Xbox survived quite a bit of turbulence.

Its a strong, lasting brand.

Will outlive its competitors as games developer.

 

[squallbr]

The ps5 that came out in 2020 is outselling the switch 2. That's something.

Switch is overPRICED almost PS5 digital Edition

 

[coachmcguirk91]

PS5 may have its best hardware sales of the Generation if GTA 6 comes out in November

 

[Skifi28]

If a big company like xbox is exiting the market

Nah.

Xbox survived quite a bit of turbulence.

Its a strong, lasting brand.

Will outlive its competitors as games developer.

It will outlive its competitors by exiting the market, makes sense.

 

[Viruz]

You know why and by whom . Wink

 

[winjer]

Impressive numbers.
But credit is due to Phill Spencer for screwing up Xbox so badly this generation.

 

[PropellerEar]

Nah.

Xbox survived quite a bit of turbulence.

Its a strong, lasting brand.

Will outlive its competitors as games developer.

Xbox was a cancer on gaming, Phil was the snake oil to kill it.

Good riddance!

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Year end? So, till end of 2026? LOL. That means no price increase possibly

 

[DenchDeckard]

Switch 2 and PS5 did 15m combined during the quarter. Nice! Are consoles still dying? DenchDeckard

Consoles aren't dying. The console industry is down and the industry as a whole is in very interesting times, it has been for the entire gen when you look at it.

I don't think I've ever said differently but I do think the high end console market is in decline.

 

[jm89]

Year end? So, till end of 2026? LOL. That means no price increase possibly

Not 100% guaranteed on the price not increasing of the console. From sonys statement below it will be minimal impact and prices elsewhere will go up to counter.

we intend to minimize the impact of the increased memory cost on this segment going forward by prioritizing monetization of the install base to date and striving to further expand our software and network service revenue.

I'm thinking worse case $50 increase, not the absurd $200+ dollars alot of people were thinking.

 

[Skifi28]

Year end? So, till end of 2026? LOL. That means no price increase possibly

Securing memory and securing at the same price as before are different. A price increase is still very possible depending on what deal they made, what the margins are and whether they are willing to sell at a loss for a period. We'll see.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

I was hearing that the system wasn't getting a lot of sales at first. But I guess people started buying them later. I will say I am not surprised that Switch 2 is behind right now.

It's not unusual for an older console to outsell a newer console in it's first holiday. In the 2017 holiday quarter the PS4 sold 9.0 million versus 7.23 million for the OG Switch.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It's their first quarter with actual widespread sales.

Also, it's not bad considering the NAND/RAM shitshow.

They had already bought those GDDR6 chips before the ram price increase.

 

[Banjo64]

Good numbers for Sony. Nice to see the 2 major players this healthy.

Comparing it to the S2 is just fanboyism though. Look at the above 2 graphs and the trend is pretty apparent that the middle years of any consoles life are when most of the sales come, the early and end years are not.

 

[PeteBull]

Warming up for 6 years?

Sony likes dat foreplay

 

[Bojji]

Sony likes dat foreplay

 

[PropellerEar]

Congratulations to us shareholders!

 

[Radical_3d]

It seems Sony is well prepared for 2026 and component shortages

PS5 doesn't use the very demanded DDR5 aside from a couple of GB or less on the Pro. And the video memory isn't also cutting edge so they must been manufacturing it with old ass machines that the AI black hole doesn't have an use for.

 

[gerth666]

We go over this all the time.

Yes, switch, pc, Xbox and ps plus plenty of other devices fall under the gaming category within the industry. Laptops, all sorts.

The key differentiator that needs to be explained is actual customer desire and where the competition sits there.

Xbox and PlayStation are the only two devices in DIRECT competition with each other and that's what drives the conversation that "Sony doesn't have direct competition anymore" Which is true. I personally think their sales should be higher.

So, for example.

I am a customer looking for a PC with a graphics card. I want a 5070 Ti as I want high end graphics.

This is where there is an option to upsell to a 5080 perhaps if it's not out of reach of the customers budget. BUT, this customer isn't looking to buy a gaming pc with a 5050 in it, even if it could save them money. They want a high end gaming experience.

This is the situation we are in.

If I am a customer looking to buy a high end gaming console. My only real option is a PS5.

Am I really going to pay hundreds more for an Xbox that ISNT on promo or buy the ps5. I might upsell to a pro if I have the budget but I'm sure as shit not buying a switch 2

Hope that helps explain it.

I agree with you that, PS and Xbox are competing in the high end console space.
They're trying to sell you similar products.
Nintendo are clearly not.
But my counterpoint to you is that all these different companies are competing for your time, be that Nintendo, Sony, Xbox, steam, apple, hell I'd even include Netflix and the like.

For e.g I come home from work and gym, after I've showered and eaten I've only got so much time before I've got to go to bed.
I've got a choice between watching my shows or playing my games.
That's the competition that I think people are talking about.
It's a choice between PS, switch, Xbox etc.

Your talking about marketplace competition. As in what product to buy at the shop.

 

[PeteBull]

Anyone still think it wont sell more than PS4? Only about 25m off now.

That will be done with 1 full year of gta6 presence alone so likely sometime in 2027 if no delays ^^

 

[DenchDeckard]

I agree with you that, PS and Xbox are competing in the high end console space.
They're trying to sell you similar products.
Nintendo are clearly not.
But my counterpoint to you is that all these different companies are competing for your time, be that Nintendo, Sony, Xbox, steam, apple, hell I'd even include Netflix and the like.

For e.g I come home from work and gym, after I've showered and eaten I've only got so much time before I've got to go to bed.
I've got a choice between watching my shows or playing my games.
That's the competition that I think people are talking about.
It's a choice between PS, switch, Xbox etc.

Your talking about marketplace competition. As in what product to buy at the shop.

Exactly, I am talking about SALES in a market with comparable products in a sales thread while others, like yourself are talking about the competition for our time which incorporates every action a person does within their waking ours of a day.

That is a completely different conversation.

 

[PeteBull]

Just want to make sure I memorize this properly for future reference..

Sony/XBOX = GTA, COD and Sports.

Therefore, Sony/XBOX audience != Nintendo.

Okay, I think I've got it now since Nintendo has never had GTA, COD or a sports game on their systems.

It's so hard to keep up with the kids these days.

Its logic, when u think of gta player u think of xbox/ps/gaming pc player, not some handheld loving hipster who enjoys splatoon and that other shit
We not saying gta4/5 would sell bad on switch2, on the contrary-it would sell easily 10m copies if not even 20m+, but its not there, not on og switch nor switch2, so obviously ppl who wanna play those games chose different mashine instead.