J Required
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Like you, I will never understand that weird take. Lol
Steam, Nintendo and even the dying Xbox are competing with Playstation.
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Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
PS5 hits 92.1M, outsells Switch 2 in Q3; Profits top $15B
Like you, I will never understand that weird take. Lol
Steam, Nintendo and even the dying Xbox are competing with Playstation.
Hyper_hyper
Banned
If it is isn't serious, you wouldn't reply back then. :/ Repeating the same :Switch 2 is much bigger competitor to PS5 than Xbox is. Nintendo can easily, very easily make a deal with Capcom for next Resident Evil or Monster Hunter to be exclusive on Switch 2. And those franchises are on PS5 too. And it would a be huge loss for PS5. Yes, it is a competitor.
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DenchDeckard
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But you have to want the switch 2 and PS5 first. Its all good if you are someone who wants and owns both. My point is that if you are a customer who is after just one, a high end console and isnt interested in the switch 2 due to power reasons or whatever else.
Completely agree about the Xbox though. I can see a considerable amount of lost Xbox sales to be people who used to buy both consoles.
Portugeezer
Member
People didn't want to believe the Spain data.
Monster Hunter maybe but Resident Evil? Nope.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Poor Dench is such an easy target. He keeps flip-flopping all over the place while having no memory of it.
What are you discussing here?
Hyper_hyper
Banned
Capcom already made IIRC 4 Resident Evils to be exclusive for Nintendo platforms before. I really don't see a problem for Nintendo to do it if they want. Hell, they've managed to sway From Sotware game to be exclusive for Nintendo Switch. And that is after Elden Rings huge success.
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Sohurmk833
Member
LMAO
Who estimated that? It didn't even make a million in the US which is more than 50% of the market.
We all used to laugh when Microsoft started to hide their sales and only reported how many active users they have.
But I think that's the most accurate way for determining a platforms health.
Look at these sales reports, playstation have what is it 110m active users.
How many of those are on PS4?
Maintaining these numbers is the true competition. Making sure those PS4 players move to ps5 and not steam, Xbox, or switch.
Skifi28
Member
Dunno, what are you?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Thats not what I meant.
Its in their best interest to put full fat windows on phone rather than having 2 operating systems, one of which is a money sink.
Its getting there, Windows Arm is a thing now.
Dude...you are talking about almost 20 years ago... no way they give any major resident evil releases exclusively on switch 2 lol maybe you are talking of selective spin off, dedicate titles or whatever.
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Mownoc
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"Monthly Active Users in December reaching a record 132 million accounts"
132m users, all-time high for PS.
Steam haven't reported MAU's in ages so don't know where they're at. Nintendo reported 129m ANNUAL* users, down from 130m last year. Monthly Nintendo will be significantly below 129m.
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BbMajor7th
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"Fast-selling console in history" is to Switch 2 sales concerns what "Publisher of the Year" was to complaints about XBOX's first party.
While I think history somewhat bears this out, I don't think the future will. Both of these companies are saturating their current market demographics, but neither is about to quit there. We already saw with Switch 2 a shift in messaging towards enthusiast gamers - championing cutting edge tech and placing big-name third-party games like Cyberpunk and Elden Ring at the forefront of launch messaging. Call of Duty and Madden might not be topping Switch 2 sales, but in order to grow they do need to capture more of that demographic.
Likewise, there's been visible audience broadening from PlayStation in the direction of Nintendo with titles like Astro Bot and LEGO Horizon Adventures. The latter even appeared on Switch itself, which is very telling. Right now, this is all nascent activity, but it signals the reality that even if they aren't in direct competition right now, there's a strong chance they could be in future.
Taken in that context, some of Switch's success might be attributable to the fact that Sony and MS were too busy fighting each other to bother fighting them. Being that XBOX has now thrown the towel, there's only two real contenders still in the ring...
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While this is true switch 1 was a monster with kids from 6-12 it took alot of those sales from Playstation/xbox.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
In q3 ! With the heavy Black Friday / holiday discount. lol
Not impressive. We already know switch beat ps5 in America for 2025. ( according to circana ) and Japan.
And yes this is a relevant post according to all post about Nintendo in this thread so don't cry about it.
Not impressive. We already know switch beat ps5 in America for 2025. ( according to circana ) and Japan.
- Nintendo Switch 2 led December hardware sales both in units and in dollars. The console also finished as the best-selling system of 2025. PlayStation 5 ranked second.
And yes this is a relevant post according to all post about Nintendo in this thread so don't cry about it.
Switch 2 and ps5 will share most of the same games going forward, how are they not in competition?
If I'm in the market for a new games console because I want to play resident evil 9, how do I choose between them?
Rhetorically speaking
They absolutely are competing for you.
I do agree they are not competing products, e.i one is trying to sell you on high end visuals and the other on portability convenience etc.
But at the end of the day, both companies want you spending money on their platform.
Look at that even higher then I thought.
I really should read properly
Robb
Gold Member
I think it's very impressive. The PS5 is late in its cycle and on a downward trajectory, which is to be expected.
Sony estimated to sell 15M by March 2026. Now they've pretty much beaten that 3 months ahead of schedule. It definitely over performed relative to expectations this holiday.
If I'm not mistaken PS4 dropped to $200 in its equivalent calendar 4th quarter, with ps4 pro at $349:
Edit to add, I was wrong that was one year early, they did hit $199 with super slim ps4 in 2018, and I think ps4 pro at $299
This $199 PS4 and 'Spider-Man' Black Friday bundle has my bargain-sense tingling | TechCrunch
I'm calling it — this is the best deal of this year's Black Friday season. It's bonkers. Sony is selling a PlayStation 4 Slim with the new "Spider-Man" game for $199. That's way too little money.
techcrunch.com
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Mownoc
Member
Yep, had a price rise this year, GTA was delayed, poor first party output. Yet it still kept up with PS4 this year.
8m this holiday quarter was sure better than my expectations.
Hyper_hyper
Banned
Ignoring a holiday period for US where PS5 outsold it? Anyway, It would be a catastrophic for a NEW console in a launch year not to outsell +5 year old console.
Dude, PS5 cost +100% more than a PS4 launch aligned and still being very close to PS4. +100 mil. is 100% on track. How is that not impressive?
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GHG
Member
Stock still down. When stock is down for MS, there's a 30 page thread
Where's the 30 page thread for when Microsoft's stock has dropped 1-2%?
Topher
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I'm saying it ain't worth getting triggered over. Anyway, I look at "direct competition" in video games by the actual games. The games that drive sales of Xbox and PS are largely the same. Not the case with Switch. As I said, if that changes I'll change my tune. Until then, is it a "competitor"? At some level, yes. Is it a direct competitor like Xbox? No.
That's possible. And you are right that my statement is based on past trends in game sales. The further decline in Xbox could very well open up Switch 2 to more head to head battles with PlayStation. As I said before, if that happens I'll change my tune.
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Hyper_hyper
Banned
Switch 2 will have much bigger 3rd party support than a last gen. Yes, it is a competitor.
Topher
Identifies as young
"As I said, if that changes I'll change my tune."
We have never seen a hyped console fully stocked at luanch so we really don't have any proper comparisons. For Q3 a 5 year console beating switch 2 while its shipped a huge amount in japan cause of shortages is pretty fucking impressive.
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DeltaPolarBear
Member
The goal is to differentiate yourself from your competition. However Xbox has left the stage and Switch is already significantly different enough that it is no longer a one to one replacement purchase. 1st party games has a place, it just isn't where Sony earns its money and right now and what with console wars being dead and all, it isn't priority.
Part of the reason 1st party games were so important for PS3 was because 3rd parties struggle to port their games to the Cell. It was a costly but necessary pivot. It doesn't mean it is the be all and end all, unless you are Nintendo.
Sony makes their money by nurturing 3rd party partnerships. Been like that since PS1.
videogamedude
Member
so they lost the 2025 race, but ran the fastest lap 3
cool
cool
MisterXDTV
Member
so they lost the 2025 race, but ran the fastest lap 3
cool
With 5-year old hardware versus brand new hardware
So cool, baby
Hector Hall
Member
He will say the same, although excellent numbers Sony is in fact down from last year record shattering numbers. Up in services, up in games sold, upon PSN MAU, but down in hardware from 9.5 to 8 and at a lower price, and that drives PlayStation very slightly down in income.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
People are trying to extrapolate too much from comparing it to PS4 sales.
PS5 is going to have longer tail because PS6 isn't going to eat into sales as soon as PS5 did to PS4.
PS5 is going to have longer tail because PS6 isn't going to eat into sales as soon as PS5 did to PS4.
clappedcheeks
Member
If there was a genuine alternative to windows for every PC game available people would move in a heartbeat. I really wouldn't have any confidence in people choosing a full fat windows on phone as opposed to what's already available.
Hyper_hyper
Banned
Change it or not, Nintendo always was and will be a PlayStation competitor
vaibhavpisal
Member
There are alternatives on PC.
Mac OS, Linux. Steam has also modified it and launched a steam OS.
There is a lot of competition in PC space. Compared to mobile.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ok? We don't see eye to eye on this and that's fine. Don't see the point in repeating the same thing over and over again. Let's move on.
LyricalShrike
Member
One would generally see eating into profits to catch up to a competitor as worrisome rather than a sign of strength.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I agree with 20M this year but I think i will drop to 15M in 2027 and 10M in 2028.
That still puts it well over PS4. I think it will ultimately land in between PS4 and PS2.
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BbMajor7th
Member
I'd say it's likely, given what we've already seen. Put yourself in PlayStation's shoes: the crown jewels of your trillion-dollar competitor - Forza, Halo and Gears - are now releasing day-and-date on your console. It's not a big leap to think 'Zelda and Mario are next'. People will laugh reading that, but if I'd have said the same about Halo and Gears five or ten years back, I'd have been ridiculed too. The difference now is that there's precedent - the knowledge that it can be done - and that's emboldening.
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clappedcheeks
Member
If you want access to everything you need windows. Can you play Fortnite or battlefield on steam os?
BlackTron
Member
It all makes sense now! One OS for PCs, phones, and game consoles.
Nintendo 2026 is gonna very interesting for Nintendo because momentum in western markets has hit a wall.so they lost the 2025 race, but ran the fastest lap 3
cool
Saber
Newd Member
lmao already am. This is more like some sort of wetdream than something that would actually happen.
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