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PS5 Off to a Stronger Start Than PS4 Says Jim Ryan, “Throwing Money” Won’t Lead to Success

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Jim salty about Bethesda purchase?

And gamepass too cause it's getting games day 1 that he wanna charge $100 for. Makes him look like a jerk.
I didn’t know Gamepass had PlayStation studio exclusives aside from MLB The Show 🤔 Jim is not responsible for the pricing of games that aren’t PlayStation Studio games. Take that fight to the other white men in charge.
 

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So this is your last console generation?, thats a shame.

If they go full digital that just means more money for traveling around the world, walking through jungles, climbing on mountains, jumping out of airplanes abd a lot more cool stuff with my wife.

You play it digitally and i do it in real life
 
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Soooo? On PS4, 2013 PS3 games didn't come to it so you had no games for awhile. How is that a bad thing? No one buying a ps5 is going to care it's also on ps4.
It’s a PS4 game…you look desperate putting it on a list to try to prove a point…about PS5 having games…
 

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the thing is, why must he throw out the 'throwing money at it' quote?

isnt it clear the direction he is throwing shade at?

that is what irks me. double speako jimbo.
You get defensive so easily about your plastic box. But speaking of double speak.
Here is one example of many good guy Phil quotes.
 
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Oh Jim Ryan...Hypocrite much!
"“Throwing Money” Won’t Lead to Success"

... and yet, Sony has been throwing money around to get the most 3rd party exclusives/timed they can.
Can you show any evidence about that massive investment in money by Sony to get temporal exclusives? Because I could bet it's not even so big as you suppose
 
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And they killed of blockbuster and claimed the throne for streaming service for a long time.

Now we are seeing the effect netflix had, from Disney, Hulu and even Warner Brothers from their HBO service.

All those money spent were worth it for netflix, since they are gonna see a profit from now.


This is a small company, which doesn't even have a trillion dollar company backing it. And only revenue outside of it merchandise, and sub fees.

While gamepass has the subs fees, the dlc sale, the mtx sales, and game sales. Which netflix didn't have.

Now tell me again, if netflix were burning their money.
Get back to me when casuals know what Gamepass is like they do Netflix.
 

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Sony will talk about what’s next when they’re ready. Kena is coming in August so at least there’s that. Not 1st party but shaping up for 2nd party.

I dont want Sony to pull a MSFT and announce a bunch of games that wont come out for another couple years. Just show us shit when you’re ready
I'd like for Sony to keep showing their roadmap like they've done in the past

There's nothing wrong with it as long as you're releasing other good games along the way
 

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Later this year for the next OS update?

So no VRR, no SSD expansion, no DLSS alternative and other notable features missing at release until a year after launch?

What is going on with the OS team? The OS was not stable at launch. It still has issues. Rest mode is a mess. No multitasking. The OS is a downgrade from the PS4 and they’re taking a long time to get it up to par and just get it stable.

I am still haunted by the sound of the disc drive spinning into oblivion in the middle of the night while I slept while the damn thing was in rest mode. Which is fixed now but Christ it should not have shipped to customers with those types of glaring issues.

It's not an OS issue. It's a issue with 3d NAND flash during covid. Plans from companies like Samsung, ADATA, SABRENT all behind schedule. On top of then working with Direct storage API which still isn't available.

Not many super highspeed Pci 4.0 drives that exceed write raw speeds of 7gb/s.

Understand controllers are tied to CPU chipsets.

Sony will test these to make sure they give a equal experience. Remember PS5 6 priority lanes. Pc has like 2-4.

You have to understand how advance PS5 I/O solution is. Pc doesn't have custom chips that are dedicated for decompress/compressing and passing data.
 

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Next gen patches for past gen games - Gears, forza h etc. gears is specifically interesting as these patches mixed with new expansions can be easlily compared to Spider-Man mm in terms of generational improvements and content, main difference being that ms didn’t release these as stand alone games. Now we also got 3 big first party games coming out in h2 this year.

I think that for the next 12-24 months we will see Sony releasing many past gen remasters (at full price) and couple cross-gen games. I don’t think that Sony’s pipeline is as packed as ms one.

Nope, try again.

Sony is gearing up. In Couple weeks a lot more information will be out for next 6-12 months.

There's a lot coming from playstation and it's not all coming out on just consoles.
 

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Can you show any evidence about that massive investment in money by Sony to get temporal exclusives? Because I could bet it's not even so big as you suppose

I bet you still believe in Santa Clause.
I'm sure Sony paid absolutely nothing for 3rd party exclusives like Bloodborne, Demon's Souls, FF7Remake timed exclusive, and many others 3rd party exclusives/timed. I'm sure those 3rd party developers gave Sony those games for free... they are just so kind, aren't they. /s
 

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Drunks and sales tracking firms.
Plus, no hardware figures from MS. If they had outsold PS5 then you can bet they would tell us.
No they wouldn't. Also the issue isn't outselling, it's the claim they are being "stomped" yet you have no numbers and both consoles keep selling out.

The fanboy warriors are in heat this time of year.
 
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Ryan is absolutely correct. You need only to look at Amazon and Google to see that simply throwing money around won't work.

Now throwing money around COMBINED with creative freedom? Yeah, that seems to do the trick.
I mean if Jim truly believed throwing money won't lead to success, Sony wouldn't have been buying time exclusives, he seems more salty because his plan got ruined when Sony were going to buy time exclusive for starfield and failed, miserably.
 

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As I remember, Bethesda didn't develop a 85+ MC game since 2015 (Fallout 4, 87). Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online and their DLCs didn't get great reviews, so who knows about the Starfield quality, until now we only saw a 'in-engine' CG teaser. And even if it turns out to be great, we'll have to wait at least a year and a half to play it.

For this year in MS we have Halo and Forza. Forza looks stunning as always, but Halo doesn't look pretty stellar and the recent Halo games let's say aren't the best ones in the series.

I'm super confident about Forza Horizon, but not about Halo and Starfield. And then for the 2022 and beyond MS games we only got CG teasers so we still have to see these great games.

Game Pass is a great renting service where you can play many games including very good games at launch, great to discover new indies. It's an all-you-can eat restaurant which is ok but they don't have the top quality dishes. But Sony has been releasing many GOTY winners or candidates year after year across the whole generation, so you can be confident with them that they will keep many top quality stuff. So they are like a chef restaurant, you'll pay a premium and may not like some of their dishes but you know that most of the stuff they'll have is top quality stuff (and they also have their own all-you-can eat service with more dishes/games than MS which is PS Now, in addition to the PS Plus games and PS Plus Collection).
Lots to unpack here...

PS now doesn't have more games than GamePass. Also worth nothing, you can download all GP games for better quality. Comparing PS Now to GP is not a road I'd go down.

Also, your mentioning Forza, Halo, and Starfield, but there were many other Day 1 GP games shown, with gameplay, at E3. The narrative that Xbox only showed CG trailers has gotten way out of hand. Here is some gameplay they showed, aside from just Halo and Forza:

Psychonauts 2
Replaced
Somerville
and more.
As well as gameplay from a bunch of mutliplat games coming to the console, like Hades.

End of the day, it's silly to call out GP if you are someone paying for PS Plus or now. You're already paying essentially the same fee but getting less. It's the unsung "gotcha!" to anyone dissing GP because they "like to own their games." They don't own those PS Plus or Now games they are paying for.
 
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They've done WAY better than PS4 so far.
I don't think so. PS4 was more powerful than Xbox one and costed less. PS5 is weaker and costs the same. The thing is Microsoft doesn't have any games thanks to Phill, but if they fix that either by making them or buying them then Sony is done.

They would be in a position of having less important games, a weaker console than costs the same, without an answer to gamepass and with $70 USD games.

Sony's position is about to get reallyy
bad.
 
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Sony has other departments to worry about. Microsoft on other hand has other departments generate money nonstop.

Sony can't recklessly spend money on its gaming division, unlike Microsoft.

Sony TV has other competitors, and are falling behind. Sony Entertainment movies division, which are competing Warner Brothers, and other companies. Then there is other divisions that need help to stay a float.

They can't splash their reserves recklessly.

You have no idea what you are talking about... did you even take one look at their accounts before typing that?

PlayStation made 3.1 Billion in net profit last year, almost enough to buy Sega outright.

Sony as a company made over 10 Billion net profit last year and is one of the most profitable companies in the world.

Sony Music is joint largest music company in the world and has the largest back catalog of music in the world.... it also has a mobile game division that made Fate / Grand Order one of the biggest mobile games ever.

Sony film are making bank out of the streaming war and selling their films and TV shows to Netflix, Amazon and others.....

Sony bank is highly profitable, it is their newest wholly owned business

Consumer electronics and their sensor business also do quite well annually.

They are just after spending 1.4 billion on acquisitions for their music division.... including Paul Simons back catalog, AWAL and Son Livre..... and more acquisitions are coming for that division.

They also spent 1.2 billion on the Crunchyroll acquisition which they are waiting to get cleared.

So there is lots of spending going on in other departments......Why not their most profitable one?
 
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Isn’t Sony gaming division the only thing keeping the company treading water these days?

PlayStation made 3.1 billion net profit last year.

Sony made over 10 Billion net profit last year.....

They have more cash than Tencent. They have hardly any debt.

They just spent 1.4 billion in under 6 months on music acquisitions....AWAL, Paul Simons back catalog and Som Livre and are planning more acquisitions for their music division.

They spent 1.2 Billion on Crunchyroll and are waiting for it to be allowed go ahead.

I dunno why people think Sony is in some type of hard time? Like where do you get that from?
 
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Dumb people such as yourself pretending you're more clever than you are just show you aren't developed yet.

But it is true the PS5 has a better lineup than the PS4 did during it's first year on the market. I remember waiting a while for the really good games to come out in the PS4. With the PS5 there's already a selection of quality titles at launch.

Also there's no need for personal attacks. I don't believe I've ever insulted you and if I did offend you in some way I apologize for that.

P.S I also forgive you for that. I know that sometimes when things get heated we say things that we don't mean.
 
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But it is true the PS5 has a better lineup than the PS4 did during it's first year on the market. I remember waiting a while for the really good games to come out in the PS4. With the PS5 there's already a selection of quality titles at launch.

Also there's no need for personal attacks. I don't believe I've ever insulted you and if I did offend you in some way I apologize for that.

P.S I also forgive you for that. I know that sometimes when things get heated we say things that we don't mean.

Yeah, just to back you up here...I had a PS4 on pre-order for launch but delayed when I saw there were no games I wanted till Second Son....

It was way slower getting started.

Had to have the PS5 on launch this time though.
 
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Yeah, just to back you up here...I had a PS4 on pre-order for launch but delayed when I saw there were no games I wanted till Second Son....

It was way slower getting started.

Had to have the PS5 on launch this time though.

If this shortage happened with the PS4 I wouldn't have been bothered by it. But it really bothers me this time around because there's so many games that I want to play. And that number is steadily growing.

I know Sony messed up with some things but they have been doing a good job in providing some great games to play.
 
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If this shortage happened with the PS4 I wouldn't have been bothered by it. But it really bothers me this time around because there's so many games that I want to play. And that number is steadily growing.

I know Sony messed up with some things but they have been doing a good job in providing some great games to play.

I agree. Are you in the States? You should keep an eye out on emails for direct sales...
 

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You have no idea what you are talking about... did you even take one look at their accounts before typing that?

PlayStation made 3.1 Billion in net profit last year, almost enough to buy Sega outright.

Sony as a company made over 10 Billion net profit last year and is one of the most profitable companies in the world.

Sony Music is joint largest music company in the world and has the largest back catalog of music in the world.... it also has a mobile game division that made Fate / Grand Order one of the biggest mobile games ever.

Sony film are making bank out of the streaming war and selling their films and TV shows to Netflix, Amazon and others.....

Sony bank is highly profitable, it is their newest wholly owned business

Consumer electronics and their sensor business also do quite well annually.

They are just after spending 1.4 billion on acquisitions for their music division.... including Paul Simons back catalog, AWAL and Son Livre..... and more acquisitions are coming for that division.

They also spent 1.2 billion on the Crunchyroll acquisition which they are waiting to get cleared.

So there is lots of spending going on in other departments......Why not their most profitable one?
I Guess I was wrong about that, sorry.

Should have done more research, before I opened my mouth.

My last information had some of their department under the red line (the TV department, not the movies). Guess it was wrong info.
 
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You know how well they’re doing when salty af Microsoft fantards enter these threads. Jokes on you bitches for buying a powerful system with jackshit for First Party games. Oh wait…nevermind just keep waiting and waiting it’s going to get good right, almost there. But Soony…but third person cinematic action…but but but.
Lol at people doubting the market leader of the last 25 plus years.
 
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There is no way it stays that way. Microsoft can’t keep that up forever. Not as it grows and certainly not without raising the price. I’ll love to be wrong…. Honestly will, but it’s too much like a cable company strategy to lure new buyers to Xbox before the increase. Enjoy all this great day one news now, it won’t last But for rare releases:
I think some people are in for a rude awakening, but it makes sense to stack up on those $1 - $3 deals as much as possible right now.

Some people are talking about them bringing in a tiered approach to the subscription. All I know is that when they start releasing a number of first-party games that price is going ⬆️.
 
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How do you do the tricks in spiderman, when you are swinging around? I did it before. But now it wont let me do it. I pressed the y button, both r1 and l1. same for r2 and l2. Do i lose those tricks, if i use different suit? I am using the noir suit, and i made the story progress at 43%. Need some of those tricks again. please help me do it again.

There is no Y button, lol. I don't remember but it was one button then you use the right analog up/down/left/right for the trick variety.