Anchovie123
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2TB SSD was a mistake. They should have had 1TB with disc drive at the same price or reduced the price without disc drive.
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PS5 Pro Reveal Thread - Not Flops, TFlops
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Balducci30
Member
Well I don’t see why I should buy this. So I can play fidelity mode in 60fps? Maybe when there’s a game that takes advantage of it
DirtyBast8rd
Member
800 eu and what do they show. Old games at 60 fps fidelity mode. Whahaha. No.
Investor9872
Member
And no one is buying that 2TB XBOX at $600 either!
Arioco
Member
ElFenomeno
Member
Well when your competition is in fucking shambles ..you can basically do anything.How do you have the nerve to show this console with THAT fucking price point with NO new games or even showing any game taking full advantage of it.
Also, the YEN price converted to USD is $834! Can't make this shit up.
This is hilariously bad.
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mayham2199
Member
Preorders go live during TGS good chance we see more announced games from Sony.
Mephisto40
Member
There is a reason they have released this console, and a big part of that reason is it will be the best place to play GTA6 when it releases
Sony are literally going to be printing money if this things plays GTA6 at twice the framerate of any other console
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Needlecrash
Member
That one is digital only right?
makaveli60
Member
This. It’s ridiculous, pay $700/€800 for something that you can’t see what will do and you won’t see that much of a difference anyway. Complete joke, it’s like they are having a secret competition with Microsoft in which company can suck more
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Going to be funnier when people realize they dropped $700+ to play the same old GTA game.
Euler007
Member
If you care at all about IQ on 4K BR you should want it for DV alone.
ManaByte
Member
No that has a drive.
Fake
Gold Member
Funny how no one mention that. Bunch of old games on the show, fucking great.
Pretty much this.
Companies are increasingly realizing that to maximize revenue they should release a mainstream targeted product that regular people can barely afford, plus a lavishly priced but properly differentiated premium product for STEM nerds and Finance bros, where margins are high and it becomes a status symbol. Seeing it everywhere, from smartphones to concert tickets. The high earning segment can afford $1000+ for every transaction and will treat it like a normal purchase.
MisterXDTV
Member
System Level Boost Mode is confirmed
MatrixReloaded101
Member
The target audience for this console don't care about a disc drive.
That's why I laugh at all these Playstation fanboys, because they're all screaming "Fuck Xbox, Fuck Xbox", but if Xbox disappeared, it would be the Playstation fanboys suffering with all the price increases.
They're laughing at their own demise.
aliadiere25
Member
Or, they could have gone with 1.6 TB and made it around £550. I think most people would have bought it at that price.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I’m hoping we reach a point where players put their foot down and just say enough is enough.
Hardware is getting stupid expensive, and you know Nvidia’s going to be even worse with their pricing.
Hardware is getting stupid expensive, and you know Nvidia’s going to be even worse with their pricing.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
They will show the bloodborne remaster at the end of the month, PS5 Pro exclusive, Dual Sense Edge V2 Exclusive, then all you naysayers will be BEGGING to get one (and complaining about the lack of available pre-order units).
(none of this will happen... and EviLore is right, different strokes for different folks)
(none of this will happen... and EviLore is right, different strokes for different folks)
daninthemix
Member
Well that was rather underwhelming, as I knew it would be.
Nvidia have had Sony’s “big 3” for years now.
Nvidia have had Sony’s “big 3” for years now.
apocaliptic
Member
The only thing that can make me buy it is Dolby vision support. Does it support dolby vision?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
For some even $1000 is nothing to spend on a console we plan on keeping for at least 4 years
tkscz
Member
Pretty much this. Nvidia has been doing it for years, charging $2000 for a card that's basically just for claiming you have it has the games you want to play run fine on cheaper hardware.
I don't see any reason to have a PS5 pro. The fact that they had to zoom in and tell me where to look in the announcement means I wouldn't notice it in performance mode and if I'm happy with that, no need to spend the $700
MayauMiao
Member
Sorry I don't buy that reasoning. You're only speculating but no definitive proof it will run 60fps.
The fact that it can't even run Hogwart's Legacy at 60fps shows that not all title will be in 60fps.
Cyberpunkd
Member
People that want the best buy a PC, which will give you a lot more than this + a few years down the line you can reuse many components.
Fake
Gold Member
But this have nothing to do with bad decisions being made here.
Take my example, I got a base PS5 with disc drive this week and my 1TB SSD is almost full.
They show a new hardware without a new software to justify your purchase.
Not only that, but they show a a bunch of old PS4 games, as they think people will get a PS5pro to play old games, but even by that the product is a full digital hardware. If my PS5 with disc drive that came with 1TB SSD was almost full with old games, so why they think selling a new hardware full digital would be enough? Because the price? Just look at the games they showed in the presentation, full digital 2TB SSD isn't enough for all that PS4 catalogue.
So what I see is a bunch of bad decisions being made.
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Audiophile
Member
Price is taking the biscuit; standard edition at $200 extra...without the disc drive...!? $300 extra when looking at Digital vs Digital. 
The BoM on this thing probably amounts to $40 extra for the different APU, $10 extra for PSU and Cooler, $20 extra for 14Gbps>18Gbps RAM chips & $30 extra for [some retarded reason] 1TB extra effective storage in SSD chips. Add in R&D recoup over the course of the next 3-4yrs on ~12-15m units (which they're probably going to struggle a little to hit now given the absurd premium) and they could easily have made a little extra profit per unit relative to the base unit while still addressing a larger audience.
The money men at Sony are very much in charge and seem to have gotten nervous on everything, they're all about recouping cost up front as fast as possible (see PSVR2) rather than trying to cast a wider net and trust the process.
Chips on higher nodes are not dropping in cost like they used to; but this is way, way beyond that. I don't buy for a second that they have ~$1.5B in R&D to recoup on this specifically, probably ~$200-300m. This is just greed, arrogance & anxiety. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's ~$150 of pure, extra profit here.
I could order one asap, (I sold my PS5 2yrs ago and have taken a long break from gaming) but just on principle I'll be waiting til the absolute last minute before Death Stranding 2 or GTAVI release; and getting one off eBay. I'd very much like to support the concept of a "Pro"; yet at the same time I don't wanna give them an extra sale when it comes to this bullshit. I legitimately hope this thing fails to take off at this cost and they re-adjust. The only hope being they readjust on price and not mid-gen refreshes in general.
Also, much as I like Cerny, the presentation was naff. "Technical", lol..
Finally, 2TB would've made more sense for a special/anniversary edition and 1TB for the normal Pro, folks would be far more receptive to a ~ $50 cheaper unit that can be upgraded rather than one that is cost-prohibitive up front. Total misread of the room (...and on the subject of misreading; it'd be one thing to only have a digital base and digital pro unit with a readily available universal disc drive, but having the base unit skus available as both, but the pro only available as digital sku/package is bizarre, enthusiasts weigh far more towards physical).
PlayStation may've veered into the Semi-Premium space; but they're not and never will be primarily Premium. They've lost the plot.
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This really should've been the renewed lineup imo:
$349 - PS5 Digital 1TB
$449 - PS5 Disc 1TB
$499 - PS5 Disc 30th Anniversary 2TB
$549 - PS5 Pro Digital 1TB
$649 - PS5 Pro Disc 1TB
$699 - PS5 Pro Disc 30th Anniversary 2TB
$59 - Universal Add-On Disc Drive
Just remember the PS4 Pro was $399 (with a disc drive), now they're asking you $300 more for this gen's Pro and you then have to spend an extra $79 for the disc drive. That's practically double the cost. There's inflation, there's poor node cost; and then beyond a large gulf, there's whatever the hell this is.....
I scoffed at the ol' "Arrogant Sony" claims going into this gen. I was wrong.
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Let me postface this by saying I'm the target audience for this. I want the best experience and I'm normally willing to pay for it. I'm an enthusiast whether it be movies, TV, music (see my username) or games. I want the best, I have disposable 'income' and I'm often willing to part with an outsized amount of money (and in some regards time) for just a moderately better experience. However, there's often a degree of reason and logic behind the extra cost in many of these endeavours, there's no doubt going to be markup in most of them, but there's a point at which you have to question things and this one just doesn't add up to anything but the aforementioned, greed, arrogance and/or nervousness [of the money men].
No doubt there will still be folks more loose with their cash than me and I'd normally be right there with them, heck, I spent most of my life broke and just want to enjoy things, but this one just hits different on principle. I think a lot of folks are gonna be priced out of adequate image quality and performance on any half-decent 4K display by a large margin given some of the sub-1080p, FSR shitshows we're seeing on the base system.
I think crossing that $599 price-point for the barebones unit is gonna turn a significant number people off.
The BoM on this thing probably amounts to $40 extra for the different APU, $10 extra for PSU and Cooler, $20 extra for 14Gbps>18Gbps RAM chips & $30 extra for [some retarded reason] 1TB extra effective storage in SSD chips. Add in R&D recoup over the course of the next 3-4yrs on ~12-15m units (which they're probably going to struggle a little to hit now given the absurd premium) and they could easily have made a little extra profit per unit relative to the base unit while still addressing a larger audience.
The money men at Sony are very much in charge and seem to have gotten nervous on everything, they're all about recouping cost up front as fast as possible (see PSVR2) rather than trying to cast a wider net and trust the process.
Chips on higher nodes are not dropping in cost like they used to; but this is way, way beyond that. I don't buy for a second that they have ~$1.5B in R&D to recoup on this specifically, probably ~$200-300m. This is just greed, arrogance & anxiety. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's ~$150 of pure, extra profit here.
I could order one asap, (I sold my PS5 2yrs ago and have taken a long break from gaming) but just on principle I'll be waiting til the absolute last minute before Death Stranding 2 or GTAVI release; and getting one off eBay. I'd very much like to support the concept of a "Pro"; yet at the same time I don't wanna give them an extra sale when it comes to this bullshit. I legitimately hope this thing fails to take off at this cost and they re-adjust. The only hope being they readjust on price and not mid-gen refreshes in general.
Also, much as I like Cerny, the presentation was naff. "Technical", lol..
Finally, 2TB would've made more sense for a special/anniversary edition and 1TB for the normal Pro, folks would be far more receptive to a ~ $50 cheaper unit that can be upgraded rather than one that is cost-prohibitive up front. Total misread of the room (...and on the subject of misreading; it'd be one thing to only have a digital base and digital pro unit with a readily available universal disc drive, but having the base unit skus available as both, but the pro only available as digital sku/package is bizarre, enthusiasts weigh far more towards physical).
PlayStation may've veered into the Semi-Premium space; but they're not and never will be primarily Premium. They've lost the plot.
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This really should've been the renewed lineup imo:
$349 - PS5 Digital 1TB
$449 - PS5 Disc 1TB
$499 - PS5 Disc 30th Anniversary 2TB
$549 - PS5 Pro Digital 1TB
$649 - PS5 Pro Disc 1TB
$699 - PS5 Pro Disc 30th Anniversary 2TB
$59 - Universal Add-On Disc Drive
Just remember the PS4 Pro was $399 (with a disc drive), now they're asking you $300 more for this gen's Pro and you then have to spend an extra $79 for the disc drive. That's practically double the cost. There's inflation, there's poor node cost; and then beyond a large gulf, there's whatever the hell this is.....
I scoffed at the ol' "Arrogant Sony" claims going into this gen. I was wrong.
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Let me postface this by saying I'm the target audience for this. I want the best experience and I'm normally willing to pay for it. I'm an enthusiast whether it be movies, TV, music (see my username) or games. I want the best, I have disposable 'income' and I'm often willing to part with an outsized amount of money (and in some regards time) for just a moderately better experience. However, there's often a degree of reason and logic behind the extra cost in many of these endeavours, there's no doubt going to be markup in most of them, but there's a point at which you have to question things and this one just doesn't add up to anything but the aforementioned, greed, arrogance and/or nervousness [of the money men].
No doubt there will still be folks more loose with their cash than me and I'd normally be right there with them, heck, I spent most of my life broke and just want to enjoy things, but this one just hits different on principle. I think a lot of folks are gonna be priced out of adequate image quality and performance on any half-decent 4K display by a large margin given some of the sub-1080p, FSR shitshows we're seeing on the base system.
I think crossing that $599 price-point for the barebones unit is gonna turn a significant number people off.
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Investor9872
Member
You're dead wrong about that!
MrMephistoX
Member
Would be cool if performance mode in all games that have it defaulted to using some of the features like the AI up scaling without the need for patching?
BoxFresh123
Member
If they threw in the stand I would have said bargain.
PeteBull
Member
cpu is only tiny bit overclocked vs base, if it runs 30fps on base, maybe we get 40fps on pr0, but its big maybe, 60fps is definitely out of the question coz of same zen2 cpu
Cyberpunkd
Member
LOL, vast majority of gamers can run GTA at 20FPS and they will be happy.
ThisIsMyDog
Member
Icymanipulator
Member
So it costs as much as a new iPhone now
aliadiere25
Member
If I'm being honest, I think the PS5 Pro will sell horribly at this price... so they may have to rethink things with the PS6 regarding pricing.
Frwrd
Member
I think most people haven't realized that what Sony just did...
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/0...-impressive-way-to-play-games-on-playstation/
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/0...-impressive-way-to-play-games-on-playstation/
Bloodborne @ 60fps+
Ogbert
Gold Member
Agreed.
If they’re stating 4k, 60 fps, that needs to be a lock. No silly bollocks showcasing Ratchet and Clank or TLoU.
Your digital library, including 3rd party, needs to hit that target.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
IGN guy gets called out by former Xbox exec Mike Ybarra
He's the main guy on IGN's "Next-Gen Console Wars" show. He's the host. I thought Daemon was better than this. Disappointing.
