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Putin critic who fled to Ukraine shot dead in Kiev

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Corky

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Putin's message to the weak-kneed stooges in the Trump administration. Snitches get polonium.
 

petran79

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He is even labelled as neonazi by some. President, not prime minister. My mistake. Though he could run for prime minister like Putin and Erdogan.

The thing is, whole of Europe goes down the drain that even Putin's actions are not a surprise anymore.
 

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He is even labelled as neonazi by some. President, not prime minister. My mistake. Though he could run for prime minister like Putin and Erdogan.

The thing is, whole of Europe goes down the drain that even Putin's actions are not a surprise anymore.

Let me guess: Russia Today?

Poroshenko may be many things but he's certainly not a "neonazi" by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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He is even labelled as neonazi by some. President, not prime minister. My mistake. Though he could run for prime minister like Putin and Erdogan.

The thing is, whole of Europe goes down the drain that even Putin's actions are not a surprise anymore.

What the fuck are you talking about? Ukrainian president is the most middle of the road politician you can find. His approval ratings are terrible and he isn't really fighting corruption that hard. He is also mostly Russian speaking (in private) and has business ties with Russia. The only reason why he got elected is because Ukraine was scared of Russia so people weren't ready for drastic changes. He was even Economics minister under previous regime.

People really need to watch out for Russian propaganda, because I've seen a lot of stupid accusations, but this is by far the most insane post I've seen on NeoGaf...

The irony. Flee to Ukraine to avoid retribution from Putin, only to get shot in an unrelated incident in the Ukraine.

Shit's Shakespearean.

Are you being sarcastic or is there any evidence that this was not murder for hire? I'm genuinely unsure. It looks like Putin's hit job, but typically his hit jobs have a message. This is way too clean in comparison...
 

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petran79

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What the fuck are you talking about? Ukrainian president is the most middle of the road politician you can find. His approval ratings are terrible and he isn't really fighting corruption that hard. He is also mostly Russian speaking (in private) and has business ties with Russia. The only reason why he got elected is because Ukraine was scared of Russia so people weren't ready for drastic changes. He was even Economics minister under previous regime.

People really need to watch out for Russian propaganda, because I've seen a lot of stupid accusations, but this is by far the most insane post I've seen on NeoGaf...

Right wings in Europe, even including Western Europe, have been adapting lots of far right policies lately in order to appease their voters and curb the rise of far right. In that sense I guess he is moderate. This is also propaganda but with a better facade.
 

Resident_UA

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Right wings in Europe, even including Western Europe, have been adapting lots of far right policies lately in order to appease their voters and curb the rise of far right. In that sense I guess he is moderate. This is also propaganda but with a better facade.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. This has very little to do with what's going on in other countries... Poroshenko is not a strong or controversial figure in Ukraine even by Ukrainian standards.
 

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Killer was probably blackmailed too. This is like Daredevil season one in the real world where super heroes dont exist.
 

petran79

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I have no idea what you are trying to say. This has very little to do with what's going on in other countries... Poroshenko is not a strong or controversial figure in Ukraine even by Ukrainian standards.

The Ukraine crisis was not strictly a two country affair. It started at a time qhen Europe herself was in a serious crisis, not just financial but also moral. Ukraine was in no situation to dictate their own future. EU expansion to the former Eastern bloc countries instigated discussions if such a venture would be feasible without serious rifts. Ukraine was the breaking point.

Things have gotten worse since then for all sides involved.
 

spiderman123

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Man didn't some lawyer "apparently toss himself" out of the window in Russia this week? Apparently he was Putin critic.
 

Resident_UA

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The Ukraine crisis was not strictly a two country affair. It started at a time qhen Europe herself was in a serious crisis, not just financial but also moral. Ukraine was in no situation to dictate their own future. EU expansion to the former Eastern bloc countries instigated discussions if such a venture would be feasible without serious rifts. Ukraine was the breaking point.

Things have gotten worse since then for all sides involved.

This still has nothing to do with Poroshenko being neonazi or not. It seems like you are trying to fit some random unrelated narrative in here...
 

dan2026

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Damn Putin doesn't even care how it looks at this point.
He'll kill anyone at any time.

You have to wonder what the average Russian feels like being governed by this murderer.
 

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I often wonder what my neighbors think. They are first generation Russians. Their parents came over and speak broken English. They have jobs and pensions here but still have family there.
 

Resident_UA

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I often wonder what my neighbors think. They are first generation Russians. Their parents came over and speak broken English. They have jobs and pensions here but still have family there.
It depends if they watch Russian TV. If they do they think that Putin had nothing to do with this and that this guy had it coming anyway "for reasons"
 
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What I don't get is with Putin basically assassinating all the opposition why do the opposition not have hits out on him? Furthermore, why don't other nations that he is threatening?
 

petran79

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This still has nothing to do with Poroshenko being neonazi or not. It seems like you are trying to fit some random unrelated narrative in here...

In Eastern Europe the Right is more hardline in general compared to Western Europe. Eg there were some sanctions to Poland from EU.
Democracy was an unknown word to them for decades.

Neogaf's oddly consistent Russia defense squad out in full force today, of course.

I liked the time when we had CNN,BBC, ARD, FRANCE1 etc during Yugoslavia, Kosovo and Gulf War.
They were very objective and propaganda free
 

cdyhybrid

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What I don't get is with Putin basically assassinating all the opposition why do the opposition not have hits out on him? Furthermore, why don't other nations that he is threatening?
Assassinating the leader of a country with nuclear weapons is generally something that is A) difficult, and B) complicated.

Never mind the question of whether it would actually help anyone.
 

Netherscourge

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What I don't get is with Putin basically assassinating all the opposition why do the opposition not have hits out on him? Furthermore, why don't other nations that he is threatening?

Because Putin is the President of Russia and has his own Secret Service and all of Russia's intelligence agencies at his command.

He's pretty much untouchable.
 

FaintDeftone

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That's probably why Trump is so quick to defend Russia. Dude doesn't wana get clapped by Putin's goons.
 

Jackpot

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The Ukraine crisis was not strictly a two country affair. It started at a time qhen Europe herself was in a serious crisis, not just financial but also moral. Ukraine was in no situation to dictate their own future. EU expansion to the former Eastern bloc countries instigated discussions if such a venture would be feasible without serious rifts. Ukraine was the breaking point.

Things have gotten worse since then for all sides involved.

Are you just copying and pasting random passages of text? Also "moral" crisis?
 
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