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R* say they are not interested in simple ports (GTA V)

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This is why I laugh whenever people bash Nintendo for releasing old games. These guys are going to sell this game for the third time in a row! Three console generations this one game has been printed and reprinted. Amazing.
 
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I would be so much more excited if this were GTA IV Remastered.


If the leak is right, then you have less than 8 weeks to wait.
 
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So? By that logic the PS4 has 0 GTAs. It has 2, SA and V (I'm not counting III or VC because they're emulation not native). By that same logic PS2 has 5 GTAs that all run natively, ports of PSP games or not.
Edit: Also it's still a bit different because LCS and VCS came to PS2 very shortly after their portable releases, only a few months, whereas GTA 5 came to PS4 a fair bit later...and PS5 7 YEARS later.
Fair point, but I consider them different from the mainline games as they were made for portable.
 

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Housers are out of Rockstar now right? Keep milking that cow Take2.
I think one of the brothers are, the writer that is. Although I'm not too sure.



I'm not a fan of GTA but I know that if GTAV got the MAFIA remaster treatment you people would jizz in your pants.
 
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I might buy this though. Depending on how it looks.
I'm 100% on board. GTA IV took it's sweet time getting to the meat, but that's sort of how GTA is supposed to be, in a way. GTA has always just been a city sandbox with an AR. You were never really meant to jump in and complete and story and walk away.

Now I'm mostly just excited about it because I played on PS3. Remember what it looked like on PS3? It ran at sub 720 and at about 20 fps even with the reduced textures. The PS3 version was the rotten step child of the X360 version.

OBSERVE

 
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I still think it’s hilarious that Sony led off one of their PS5 events with a gta 5 trailer. I don’t think I ever felt as deflated watching an event. I was sure it was an announcement for GTA 6 when it started, then when reality set in I was in shock, GTA 5 a PS3 game is your lead in that speaks well of what is in the pipeline.

it was frankly one of the worst starts I could have imagined, especially for a company that “believes in generations” tm.
Yep, that was total crap. I just burst out laughing at that.
 
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It's reactions to stuff like this that always reminds me how out of touch the hardcore gaming community is with reality. They created a huge single player experience with GTAV. They also created (and continually update years later for free) an awesome online component to the game and overall GTAV is one of the most complete gaming experiences around really. Hundreds of hours of content, awesome bang for your buck. Yet people will still complain. Hear thst Rockstar? Be successful but not TOO successful.

Its plainly obvious the public wants this game and Rockstar is giving the people what they want, but leave it up to the "gamers" to whine about it. Do you really think Rockstar is going to say "We have a shitton of people who love this game but....a bunch of nerds on gaming forums are mad cause we keep updating the game. Time to end this ride boys."
 
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Well, it depends how long you keep PS Plus for. If you have PS Plus for 3 years, then you’re paying well over £100 to rent this game, and then you’d still need to buy it afterwards if you actually want to own it.
But if you want to play it online you have to have ps plus anyway.
 

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I don't that is accurate. Didn't they say GTA online would be free for 3months or something? It was never very clear.
You have 3 months to claim it as free then it stays free as long as you have ps plus. That's my understanding.
 

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Unless Rockstar truly gives us a "next gen" looking GTA V, I won't be buying it.

I mean, you have a modding community that is *killing it* with updated visuals like the one below.
Surely Rockstar can put some work into their port like this?

 
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It's reactions to stuff like this that always reminds me how out of touch the hardcore gaming community is with reality. They created a huge single player experience with GTAV. They also created (and continually update years later for free) an awesome online component to the game and overall GTAV is one of the most complete gaming experiences around really. Hundreds of hours of content, awesome bang for your buck. Yet people will still complain. Hear thst Rockstar? Be successful but not TOO successful.

Its plainly obvious the public wants this game and Rockstar is giving the people what they want, but leave it up to the "gamers" to whine about it. Do you really think Rockstar is going to say "We have a shitton of people who love this game but....a bunch of nerds on gaming forums are mad cause we keep updating the game. Time to end this ride boys."

Exactly. They wouldn't be remastering it again for the new gen if the playerbase wasn't there.

Comparing GTA3 and Vice City to GTA 5 and 6 is laughable. The newer games are so much larger in scope and complexity. Vice City is tiny. Rockstar goes big with it's games now. They are big, detailed, expansive, intricate, etc. They're not going to rush out something when they don't have to.
 
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I love GTA but i'm not interested in anything that isn't GTA6.

Meanwhile if they want to make some RDR remake or remaster or RDR2 DLC, i'll sign.
 
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Yup.







Also, to put it into perspective:





The GTA Online addition was a bullseye for R*, I'm really curious to see how much longer it can still hold up, but if they'll keep supporting it and make a remaster on top of that, I can see the game still being alive when PS6/Nextbox show up.

Its only really funny when you don't know all the context into those developments. DMA made GTA3, not Rockstar as they simply published. So during the PS2 days, Rockstar North did both GTAVC and GTASA

During the PS3 days they did GTAIV and GTAV (Rockstar San Diego did Red Dead)

During the PS4 days they did Red Dead 2.

So I'd say missing 1 major AAA title simply shows that the cost of development is completely different then 20 years ago. Rockstar might only want big leaps like what we saw in Red Dead 2 before putting something out, imho people should be more then happy with that level of commitment as we can't have folks crying over the milking of Call Of Duty and then get mad that Rockstar isn't throwing out a GTA every 2 years or something.

Its not to say they can't, but expect little differences. I'm more then happy to wait, as much as I like the PS2 days, its not 20 years ago. The technology has changed greatly and its not as simple as throwing something in Renderware and seeing a final game in 2 years or so.
 

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Look, look, the puddles are reflective!!! Or you can play at 60fps with last gen puddles!

The choice is yours.
ain’t paying for skit... modding that PC life. plus, i have doubts the PS5 version will look any better than modded PC:

 

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Waiting for Red Dead 2 on PS5. Don't know what's the hold up. Just fucking do it.
 
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What was it? The Playstation 2 had 3 GTA's

GTA V has had 3 console generations so far.

Just crazy... and i still haven't played it. Maybe on PS5 i'll get around to it
Don't you fucking dare. The game needs to die. You hear me - IT NEEDS TO DIE!!
 
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Can't wait to play this again.

Cheeky bastards.

Cant wait to get motivated to play GTA 5 for the first time lol played it a bet at my nephew and dont feel like i need to play this xD
 
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DMA made GTA3, not Rockstar as they simply published. So during the PS2 days, Rockstar North did both GTAVC and GTASA
You do know DMA IS Rockstar North right? After GTA3 they just renamed the studio to Rockstar North.

During the PS3 days they did GTAIV and GTAV (Rockstar San Diego did Red Dead)
Rockstar North did Grand Theft Auto IV, the two DLC episodes (The Lost & Damned/The Ballad of Gay Tony) which were packaged together as Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City. They then helped out on Red Dead Redemption (though San Diego was the lead studio) and provided support for Max Payne 3 whilst also working on Grand Theft Auto V.

Also keep in mind, Rockstar had multiple studios, during the Seventh Gen we got:
- Table Tennis (Rockstar San Diego)
- GTA IV (Rockstar North)
- Midnight Club LA (Rockstar San Diego)
- Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City (Rockstar North)
- Red Dead Redemption (Rockstar San Diego)
- L.A. Noire (Team Bondi, with additional help from Rockstar NYC)
- Max Payne 3 (Rockstar Vancouver/Toronto)
- Grand Theft Auto V (Rockstar North)

Whilst at the same time in the handheld space we got:
- Beaterator (Rockstar Leeds)
- Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars (Rockstar Leeds)
- Midnight Club LA Remix (Rockstar Leeds/London)

And then let's throw in the outsourced ports:
- Max Payne mobile (War Drum Studios)
- Grand Theft Auto III 10th Anniversary (War Drum Studios)
- Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 10th Anniversary (War Drum Studios)
- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas "Remastered" (War Drum Studios)

Now compared to the PS4 gen where we got:
- Grand Theft Auto V (Rockstar North)*
- Grand Theft Auto: Online (Rockstar North)
- Red Dead Redemption II (Rockstar San Diego)*

And then let's count the outsourced stuff:
- L.A. Noire Remastered
- L.A. Noire VR Cases
- Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories mobile (Lucid Games)
- Bully Anniversary (War Drum Studios)

The * being that after Grand Theft Auto V, Rockstar no longer let each studio focus on their own projects and simply rebranded them all as "Rockstar Studios". Many projects were shelved, including Bully II and Agent, and they wasted a few years dealing with the fall out at Rockstar North which lead to the cancellation of the Single Player DLC for Grand Theft Auto V and a shift to focus on Online.

The fact is, it's not just "rising costs", they became badly managed once certain key people left and dropping Single Player DLC in favour of focusing on Online with no real road map is what's lead us to where we are now. They didn't want to port Grand Theft Auto V itself to next gen console (otherwise you would've got a Switch port too) they wanted an excuse to keep GTA Online rolling for a few more years since it's easy money for them. Each separate studio has lost its identity in favour of being swallowed up and all of them being forced to work on single projects that take years, instead of handling multiple projects over a number of years instead. Rockstar Games have made more money from GTA Online than most publishers do over an entire catalogue of games over a single generation, and the costs to add content to these games is drastically smaller than the original planned single player DLC. Don't make excuses for them and pretend they're just some small studio who need time.
 
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Meanwhile for GTA IV:



(no re-releases, no ports, no remasters, no remakes, no hope, completely abandoned)
 
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Hell no. Why waste the time on a remaster of that when they could be remastering Max Payne 3?


Would be a better use of time instead of remastering GTAV for a second time. Wouldn't you agree?
 

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You do know DMA IS Rockstar North right?

They purchased them, but the majority of that team became Realtime Worlds studios. Its why I stated DMA did GTA3 and Rockstar North did VC. The team that did GTA3 as a majority went to Realtime Worlds.


- Red Dead Redemption II (Rockstar San Diego)*

Red Dead Redemption 2 was done by Rockstar North with help of their other studios. aka "Rockstar Studios" The FIRST Red Dead was done by Rockstar San Diego

they wanted an excuse to keep GTA Online rolling

I'm not sure why NOT releasing another game would magically make more money roll in, using your logic why even make Red Dead Redemption 2, it also has an online component so that goes against such a theory. GTA Online is rolling because people like playing it, they need not of an excuse to play it...
them being forced to work

If you have evidence of slavery at the studio I'd love to hear it. They worked for Rockstar before, they still WORK FOR Rockstar now. Those are not independent studios you are talking about.

instead of handling multiple projects over a number of years

They also don't want shit quality and to have their IPs abused. The way they are doing things now isn't hurting them even remotely considering they have one of the best selling games in history and Red Dead 2 breaking many records of its own. If this way works for Rockstar, I see no issue with it. This isn't 20 years ago....

Don't make excuses for them and pretend they're just some small studio who need time.
??? Who fucking stated they are a "small studio"?

They can take as much time as they want, they've broken enough records to do so. We have enough yearly copy and pasted shit, Rockstar simply doesn't want their releases to become that. They are smart to take their time with GTAVI and anything their studios put out. If they want to have another team working on Bully 2 or another Max Payne etc, if they have the set up to do so with great quality, then shit I'd love that, but if they feel its not enough, I'm not asking them to rush shit out simply cause you want a large number of games disregarding quality and cost of development.
 
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They purchased them, but the majority of that team became Realtime Worlds studios. Its why I stated DMA did GTA3 and Rockstar North did VC. The team that did GTA3 as a majority went to Realtime Worlds.
The majority of the team that worked on GTA3 went on to work on Vice City shortly after, it's even famous that the game was knocked out in nine months. Where the hell are you getting that "most" went to Realtime Worlds???

Red Dead Redemption 2 was done by Rockstar North with help of their other studios. aka "Rockstar Studios" The FIRST Red Dead was done by Rockstar San Diego
It was started at San Diego and was in development there for the first few years until GTAV was complete, then it became a "Rockstar Studios" worldwide project. Again, where are you getting your info from? This is wildly inaccurate.

I'm not sure why NOT releasing another game would magically make more money roll in, using your logic why even make Red Dead Redemption 2, it also has an online component so that goes against such a theory. GTA Online is rolling because people like playing it, they need not of an excuse to play it...
Red Dead Redemption 2 was already planned and in pre-production BEFORE Grand Theft Auto V went gold. It's the last project to have any input from major studio leader Leslie Benzies despite it coming out nearly four years after he was fired. GTA Online becoming a huge hit is what lead to cancellation of the planned Single Player DLC for GTAV.

If you have evidence of slavery at the studio I'd love to hear it. They worked for Rockstar before, they still WORK FOR Rockstar now. Those are not independent studios you are talking about.
Read up on what happened at Rockstar North in 2014/5. Changes in management and structure lead to a lot of long time veterans leaving the studio, most have gone on to join Leslie Benzies at his new studio "Build A Rocket Boy", the leftovers at Rockstar North were just tasked with working on GTA Online.

They also don't want shit quality and to have their IPs abused. The way they are doing things now isn't hurting them even remotely considering they have one of the best selling games in history and Red Dead 2 breaking many records of its own. If this way works for Rockstar, I see no issue with it. This isn't 20 years ago....
Excuses, when the main outlined projects for the foreseeable is just Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead titles and maintaining their Online servers then that isn't maintaining quality, that's getting rid of creative side projects and stopping risks which lead to unique games like Bully, Manhunt, Midnight Club, etc, and hell, even the first original Red Dead game. They just want to focus on what will make money now (yeah yeah, hit me with that corporate dick sucking excuse "well achtually ALL businesses want to make money")

??? Who fucking stated they are a "small studio"?
The way you were phrasing things was like Rockstar are hard at work focusing on "maintaining quality" when the fact is, currently, they are badly managed, you know what the main guy was up to the past few years? Partying in Ibiza and visiting clubs and DJ's around the world, which what a coincidence, happens to be the focus of GTA Online these days:

 
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Yeah lets just quickly forget that Gta 3,VC,SA are all built on the same engine. It took a long time for IV to come out and then they built on that engine.

Not to mention most R* studios went on to assist with RDR2, one of the biggest and most ambitious games R* ever created.

Now they are using RDR2 tech to make GTA 6. Yes Online has given them a lot of leeway, there is perhaps less incentive to move on from the ever popular GTA V but that doesnt mean they arent already making GTA 6.

Yall se crybabies, Id rather have them take their sweet time. We already lost Benzies, Lazlow and one of the housers. Chances are it wont be as good as V anyway.
What's stopping R* from building GTA 6 on the same engine as GTA V? How is that even a point?
 
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Where the hell are you getting that "most" went to Realtime Worlds???

You can easily look up the story of how that studio was made.

It was started at San Diego

Your original comment doesn't state that, it states this..

- Red Dead Redemption II (Rockstar San Diego)

Rockstar's own official site doesn't simply say "Rockstar San Diego", multiple interviews exist of Rockstar North very much talking about heading the game to know their studio did it to really be trying to debate that. Plus you know, the fucking credits of the game....

Red Dead Redemption 2 was already planned and in pre-production BEFORE Grand Theft Auto V went gold.
And? Thats not being debated. If GTAV Online was sooooooooooo much of a money maker that they don't' want to make new games, that goes for continuing any development. I mean for fuck sakes, your original comment even states this

Many projects were shelved

How come Red Dead 2 wasn't one of those projects if they hate new games soooooo much? smh.


Read up on what happened at Rockstar North

nah bud, unless you have any evidence anyone is a slave at Rockstar and is FORCED to work on something, the rest of what you are saying is completely irrelevant and baseless.


Excuses, when the main outlined projects for the foreseeable is just Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead titles

Quality isn't an excuse, they have no reason to rush out games bud. Thats it. You know not of what their future projects are going to be unless you telling me you run Rockstar Studios or something.....

The way you were phrasing things was like Rockstar are hard at work focusing on "maintaining quality" when the fact is, currently, they are badly managed,

???? Yet nothing in that statement argues they are a small studio bud.....read the post instead of what you want to argue about...

You want to cry over management, that doesn't change that they want to focus on quality and considering the record sales and awards they got for Red Dead 2, they are doing a fine fucking job currently.

All the sales of GTAV are bad and all the awards of their NEW game Red Dead 2 are bad or something? smh. They are doing just fine and I'm not sure many can really argue what Rockstar should or shouldn't be doing, talk to us when you've moved 120 million units of a AAA game and then we can say you'd do better.

Ignoring going forward as you seem to want to run with this narrative that we must all hate Rockstar cause you are triggered at them or something. You argue their focus is on JUST making money, yet can't explain the existance of a new game like Red Dead 2..... just stop bud, get help.

 

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What's stopping R* from building GTA 6 on the same engine as GTA V? How is that even a point?

Only thing stopping them is not wanting that dated quality to get in the way. They want to push boundaries and likely don't want to be held back. So because we got a new engine with GTAIV, they likely want a new generation GTA on a new engine.

Put it this way, if Ubisoft was running GTA, you'd get several running on a copy and paste type thing lol

Not saying it can't happen, simply that Rockstar likely doesn't want that. We don't even know much about the new GTA, for all we know it does a lot of new things that simply can't be done on the older engine.
 

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Only thing stopping them is not wanting that dated quality to get in the way. They want to push boundaries and likely don't want to be held back. So because we got a new engine with GTAIV, they likely want a new generation GTA on a new engine.

Put it this way, if Ubisoft was running GTA, you'd get several running on a copy and paste type thing lol

Not saying it can't happen, simply that Rockstar likely doesn't want that. We don't even know much about the new GTA, for all we know it does a lot of new things that simply can't be done on the older engine.
I mean they could have released it 2 or 3 years ago. They obviously didn't have any problems with the engine that prevented them from dedicate dedicating the online component for the entirety of last gen. They could have released a new game long before now.

The behavior of the company suggests they're more than willing to keep skinning it for new hardware to keep that revenue pipeline flowing as long as possible. It's not the tech that has held up a new game.
 

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I mean they could have released it 2 or 3 years ago. They obviously didn't have any problems with the engine that prevented them from dedicate dedicating the online component for the entirety of last gen. They could have released a new game long before now.

The behavior of the company suggests they're more than willing to keep skinning it for new hardware to keep that revenue pipeline flowing as long as possible. It's not the tech that has held up a new game.

? They were fully working on Red Dead Redemption 2.

?? Yet....again, Red Dead Redemption 2, a new game exist by them so......... yea. I don't see any evidence of "will to keep skinning" when they just put out a game. Doesn't really fit that narrative. Shit, why even make Red Dead 2 if their goal is to make nothing and "keep skinning"?

So I simply don't see enough to argue their goal is to not do something, to keep something else making money as if they can even stop people from playing GTAV, i think even after GTAVI comes out, you'll still get loads of people still playing GTAV. They didn't just stop when Red Dead 2 came out so..... I don't see how that is an either or.
 
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You can easily look up the story of how that studio was made.
I know the history friend, look up the names of the people who worked on Vice City and then how many of them stayed on for Manhunt.

And? Thats not being debated. If GTAV Online was sooooooooooo much of a money maker that they don't' want to make new games, that goes for continuing any development. I mean for fuck sakes, your original comment even states this


How come Red Dead 2 wasn't one of those projects if they hate new games soooooo much? smh.
Because Red Dead Redemption 2 was already far beyond multiple other projects and was already in full production when GTA Online was still in its early days.

So you don't actually want to read up on the evidence but then ask me to provide evidence??

Ignoring going forward as you seem to want to run with this narrative that we must all hate Rockstar cause you are triggered at them or something. You argue their focus is on JUST making money, yet can't explain the existance of a new game like Red Dead 2..... just stop bud, get help.
I did explain multiple times, you're just being a kiss ass apologist for a billion dollar company. Go ahead and suck up to them and defend them though, I'm sure you'll get a new game some point before 2030.
 

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On GTAV’s upcoming next-gen console version, Zelnick said he was confident the remaster would deliver a strong experience for players.

“We’ve done great with the Mafia series, for example, and Grand Theft Auto [V] is now heading into its third generation which is incredible, he said.

“It was a standard-bearer when it was launched, it continued to be the standard-bearer in the second generation, we’ll see how Grand Theft Auto does in the next generation. Obviously, I’m confident that Rockstar is going to deliver just a great experience, but you can’t do that if you’re just doing a simple port.”

“I’m not sure there’ll be a bigger part of the strategy,” he responded. “Remastering has always been a part of the strategy. We’ve done differently than the competition – we don’t just port titles over, we actually take the time to do the very best job we can making the title different for the new release, for the new technology that we’re launching it on.

unimpressed uh huh GIF
 
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? They were fully working on Red Dead Redemption 2.

?? Yet....again, Red Dead Redemption 2, a new game exist by them so......... yea. I don't see any evidence of "will to keep skinning" when they just put out a game. Doesn't really fit that narrative. Shit, why even make Red Dead 2 if their goal is to make nothing and "keep skinning"?

So I simply don't see enough to argue their goal is to not do something, to keep something else making money as if they can even stop people from playing GTAV, i think even after GTAVI comes out, you'll still get loads of people still playing GTAV. They didn't just stop when Red Dead 2 came out so..... I don't see how that is an either or.
They most certainly were not fully working on RDR2. They never stopped releasing content and updates for GTA online the whole time RDR2 was in development. A company with the resources of Rockstar can and has done more than one game at one time. They simply prioritized GTA Online over GTA 6.
 

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They most certainly were not fully working on RDR2. They never stopped releasing content and updates for GTA online the whole time RDR2 was in development. A company with the resources of Rockstar can and has done more than one game at one time. They simply prioritized GTA Online over GTA 6.

smh, yet listen to what you are saying here. Yet they didn't put GTA ONLINE as a priority over Red Dead Redemption 2...... Soooo yes, they were not fully working on RDR2 alone, you telling me its too much of a stretch and reach to simply argue that they could also be working on GTA6 while having some developers maintain GTA Online? The thing you are talking about isn't even something that would require the entire studio or something as on most titles like that , the entire team isn't just solely working on the online. I don't think I could name you even 1 game like that where the whole team 100% is just working on online MP stuff ro something.

Shit, that doesn't even happen at DICE, they simply have a smaller team that is dedicated to the online portion with updates, maps etc. Getting updates didn't mean they were not working on other titles as you are now assuming the majority of Rockstar is just working on GTA Online and I've seen nothing to even remotely suggest that. DICE released updates all the time while working on several titles, its not some either or. Even in the content that releases for GTA Online simply isn't enough to really be making it sound like even half of Rockstar is just making online updates lol

The existence of Red Dead Redemption 2 not only goes against your point, in the very same post it literally shows the thing you are saying could apply to GTA6.


I mean....sir do you not see that? They didn't prioritized GTA Online over Red Dead 2 as clearly Red Dead EXIST, why the fuck would they do it with the sequel to one of the best selling games of all time? So they know GTA is a cash cow, but hey lets not make a sequel?

OH yea, but lets make Red Dead 2 and have the majority of our studios working on it, but lets not do the same for GTA 6? Simply logically look at what you are suggesting. It simply doesn't make sense.