GoddyofAus
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Using the minority as an excuse to ignore ALL criticism is just a massive copout.
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Randy Pitchford only has time for Colonial Marines praise, [losing money on Aliens]
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Using the minority as an excuse to ignore ALL criticism is just a massive copout.
Aquamarine
Member
I'm not sure how Randy Pitchford's silence affects the long-term credibility of the game industry. I mean, when a bad film gets released with no press previews, and then the studio and director refuse to acknowledge they've shat out a stinking turd, does that harm the film industry? Nope. So what's the difference?
lol, this is pretty ironic with your avatar, but yea I agree with what you said. He shouldn't just take personal insults and threats, but valid criticisms is something he is ignoring which shouldn't be done.
Gentleman Jack
Member
There's only so many ideas you can fit into 140 characters. Being succinct, thoughtful and informative is much harder than it looks.
You shouldn't have to boycott it. If they put out Borderlands 1.3 then it should be an automatic don't buy already.
Both @samuel_dezeng and @cmbbns joined Twitter on February 16, 2013 (via http://www.whendidyoujointwitter.com/) and immediately started tweeting Borderlands praise to which Randy responded. Could just be a coincidence but looks kinda shady.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Seriously, why should game makers have to publicly apologize for or explain shortcomings with their products when writers, musicians, and movie-makers don't?
Not every game turns out great, no matter how much its hyped, and yet we have idiotic demands like this being dished out! What are people expecting Pitchford to say?
And, above all else, the question is mistargeted. if you have an issue with the quality of a game, you should deal with the publisher. Because they were the ones who decided that the title was marketable in the state it was sold as. The buck stops with them.
Not every game turns out great, no matter how much its hyped, and yet we have idiotic demands like this being dished out! What are people expecting Pitchford to say?
And, above all else, the question is mistargeted. if you have an issue with the quality of a game, you should deal with the publisher. Because they were the ones who decided that the title was marketable in the state it was sold as. The buck stops with them.
My twitter account has barely any tweets and I believe it's still the egg icon. I'm clearly a shill account for gearbox right?
GoddyofAus
Banned
Faking an entire press demo (aka deceiving critics AND consumers) deserves a bit of an explanation, don't you reckon?
Aquamarine
Member
Most writers / musicians / directors don't publicly taunt their naysayers by dismissing criticism.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Why is that ridiculous? If someone was really looking forward to A:CM after all the lies and "in-engine" video that we were shown, and then ended up getting an outsourced turd, why shouldn't they boycott Gearbox?
Personally I look at it from a different angle: Gearbox proved with Borderlands 2 that they're willing to sell you a season pass, then later tell you that a bunch of DLC won't be included with the season pass, then outsource the DLC chapters that are included, then release an Aliens game that was 80% outsourced and turned out to be a piece of crap. Why should I reward that kind of behavior? How do I know they won't pull the same crap with Borderlands 3?
Perhaps it's time that they did!
It's seems he is very personally invested in the project and is too close to it to step back and look at it objectively. I think the best course of action for him in this case is to just stay quiet about it - good or bad - and move forward with other projects. However, considering how vocal he can be about all their projects I'm not sure that'll happen.
It's funny because he once referred to Steam as an exploitative money grab and that's exactly what his company developed most recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XPKrJwIxlTI#t=537s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XPKrJwIxlTI#t=537s
I agree.. this is a mess
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
^ This
On a larger audience level, and for Marketing, what he is doing makes perfect sense. There's no 100% honesty in selling any product so... yeah.
On a hard core gaming demographic level. a.k.a GAF or other public gaming communities online: this comes off as insincere.
ClosingADoor
Member
It doesn't, since the larger audience will not read Pitchfords tweets and comments anyway. No one is blaming SEGA or Gearbox for putting ads out for the game which are aimed at the mainstream consumer.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
I wonder what lessons Randy is learning?
Bad games sell.
GoddyofAus
Banned
I wonder what lessons Randy is learning?
Don't show the public work that you can't guarantee will be the final product.
Listen, I agree that it's shady, but the purpose of the Twitter account is really to just create as much good PR and free advertising for their stuff. I know we hear about all this social-networking shit all the time, but it truly is one of the biggest forms of advertising these days.
If the Twitter account only retweets/responds to good stuff, then the people who follow that account will thing the general reception of the game is positive.
You might want to tell Valve that vis-a-vis the 2003 Half-Life 2 demo though nearly all of those concepts ended up in the final product anyway in some form.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Exactly, and the game actually looked like it had been demonstrated.
ChristianSpicer
Neo Member
An explanation isn't needed but one should be offered. He says he doesn't like being called a liar, then don't act like one. A little honesty in situations like this can create a lot of good will.
My take in silly video form (there's one thing re Destiny before I talk gearbox...but the vid is only a few mins total): http://youtu.be/8ZpmgDBSYTY
My take in silly video form (there's one thing re Destiny before I talk gearbox...but the vid is only a few mins total): http://youtu.be/8ZpmgDBSYTY
Schnozberry
Member
I wonder what lessons Randy is learning?
Probably learning that bullshitting people in the internet age catches up with you a lot faster than you may have anticipated. I don't think the worst of Randy, but it's obvious he made promises he couldn't keep and is now making it worse be refusing to come forth with a mea culpa.
Aquamarine
Member
The problem is the account is NOT just a PR mouthpiece.
These comments Randy made...demonstrate the issue here:
He's insulting people. That's way out of line.
Oh and can anyone give me a quck rundown on what is wrong with the game? I haven't been following that much since everyone agreed that it unanimously sucked.
He shouldn't have said that, he should just have just done what he said in that post.
The problem is the account is NOT just a PR mouthpiece.
These comments Randy made...demonstrate the issue here:
He's insulting people. That's way out of line.
He shouldn't have said that, he should just have just done what he said in that post.
Beermeister
Banned
Priceless.
The problem is the account is NOT just a PR mouthpiece.
These comments Randy made...demonstrate the issue here:
He's insulting people. That's way out of line.
Where is the insults?
https://twitter.com/samuel_dezeng
This guy signed up for Twtter just to send gushing praise to Randy. How nice!
While it's not impossible that this could be legit, it comes off like Randy created the account just to send himself fake praise, which is pretty hilarious to picture.
His response: "Thanks for the kind words - you're a hero to me :)"
This guy signed up for Twtter just to send gushing praise to Randy. How nice!
While it's not impossible that this could be legit, it comes off like Randy created the account just to send himself fake praise, which is pretty hilarious to picture.
His response: "Thanks for the kind words - you're a hero to me :)"
Aquamarine
Member
See post #49.
Backfoggen
Banned
I liked Pitchford but even I can now say screw him.
basic_text
Member
Once you go Dyack, you won't go back.
Ban Puncher
Member
What happened to you, Randy? You used to be cool.
yankeehater
Member
What state? I have played the first 3 levels on PC and I havent had any problems yet. It might not be evryones cup of tea, but it isnt broken like a lot of games are these days when they come out. Obviously it isnt at the ridiculously high standards of a game like Borderlands 2, but it doesnt seem anywhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe.
Gentleman Jack
Member
If the only person you followed was Randy Pitchford you might be fooled. Might. Instead of using this time to promise to rebuild goodwill he's gone full 'ACTIVATE SHIELDS' and is talking to sock puppets who love his game. It's pathetic.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Is there more to this than the game sucking?
I know people are annoyed that it's shit, but why are Gearbox getting extra flack over other teams that put out shit games?
Other than these supposedly false Twitter accounts and demo that had better graphics than the end product (not unheard of), have they actively deceived anyone?
Just trying to work out if I missed anything here.
I know people are annoyed that it's shit, but why are Gearbox getting extra flack over other teams that put out shit games?
Other than these supposedly false Twitter accounts and demo that had better graphics than the end product (not unheard of), have they actively deceived anyone?
Just trying to work out if I missed anything here.
The thing with Twitter people always misconstrue is that it isn't like a forum. The people who create the twitter have near-complete-control (besides very extreme circumstances) over what's said, done, or seen. People can block others, and make a little cult of personality if they want to.
Once again, I want to make it completely clear I don't agree with what he's saying or doing, but from a business standpoint I completely understand it. The guy is in damage-control mode because the game is, well let's say a lot less than stellar, and so he's trying to make everything look nice and dandy on his twitter so he doesn't drive anymore business away.
Once again, I want to make it completely clear I don't agree with what he's saying or doing, but from a business standpoint I completely understand it. The guy is in damage-control mode because the game is, well let's say a lot less than stellar, and so he's trying to make everything look nice and dandy on his twitter so he doesn't drive anymore business away.
Damn, ruthless.
It's a bad game, just dont buy it.
He will "learn the lesson", in the meantime, he's not gonna sabotage opening month sales....someone worked hard on this game, even if it wasn't him. The hot potato aspect of the failure isn't helping, but I'm not gonna threaten the guy on twitter, I'm just not buying a game I thought I might otherwise, and I'm a huge Alien fan.
I'll probably just play Infestation on DS finally.
What he tweeted sounds bad, but I'd wager he got youtube caliber comments.
It's a bad game, just dont buy it.
He will "learn the lesson", in the meantime, he's not gonna sabotage opening month sales....someone worked hard on this game, even if it wasn't him. The hot potato aspect of the failure isn't helping, but I'm not gonna threaten the guy on twitter, I'm just not buying a game I thought I might otherwise, and I'm a huge Alien fan.
I'll probably just play Infestation on DS finally.
What he tweeted sounds bad, but I'd wager he got youtube caliber comments.
ManUtdRedDevils
Member
Clearly he is a douche, but if he makes a good game, I will buy it.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'm sorry guys, but to me this simply boils down to Gearbox/Sega putting out a sub-par game.
Whoopity-doo,
Shit happens. The world's an imperfect place. etc. etc.
I'm not saying people if they are disappointed shouldn't be unhappy about it, just that... well its not that remarkable or unexpected an outcome! Point is, most movies in the Alien franchise aren't particularly good either. Yet I don't recall this level of anger when Fox dumped Alien 3 or Resurrection onto our screens, let alone the rank turds that are the AVP movies!
Sorry but I just find the reaction weirdly excessive. And as for (supposedly professional) critics demanding explanations... seriously? The obvious, perfectly safe and reasonable answer is: "We did the best we could do under the circumstances. Sorry that you didn't like it."
Whoopity-doo,
Shit happens. The world's an imperfect place. etc. etc.
I'm not saying people if they are disappointed shouldn't be unhappy about it, just that... well its not that remarkable or unexpected an outcome! Point is, most movies in the Alien franchise aren't particularly good either. Yet I don't recall this level of anger when Fox dumped Alien 3 or Resurrection onto our screens, let alone the rank turds that are the AVP movies!
Sorry but I just find the reaction weirdly excessive. And as for (supposedly professional) critics demanding explanations... seriously? The obvious, perfectly safe and reasonable answer is: "We did the best we could do under the circumstances. Sorry that you didn't like it."
No worries then, that won´t happen.