Gearbox offered work for the author of the film and then suddenly dropped him. And used his style anyway.
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Randy Pitchford only has time for Colonial Marines praise, [losing money on Aliens]
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Gearbox offered work for the author of the film and then suddenly dropped him. And used his style anyway.
Neuromancer
Member
Honestly after Borderlands 2 (which I know I'm in a minority for not liking) and this game, they've just about exhausted all my good will.
Yes, I actually do.
Makes the person look like a huge attention whore. If you're going to ignore someone, just do it. They don't need to know about it, and you don't need to tell the world you are doing so.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Hardly uncommon. Still a shit thing to do.
Keyword INSPIRATION not blatant plagiarism. I didn't know about this short film but after seeing it and the shot for shot screencaps from the game and film I am shocked they didn't get called out by more outlets for their bs.
If another movie used the same opening and art direction and shot for shot scenes it would be ripped to shreds. But gearbox got a free pass because games journalism doesn't do their job.
It moves it from being a bit more than "other games use cel shading", though.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I was thinking more about "contract a artist/writter/designer, fire him and use his concepts as their own" . Nightmare stories in film and animation industry.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I just think it's slimey.
I have been pretty jaded towards Gearbox ever since Hell's Highway. When this stuff with A:CM happened, I was like... yeah, what's new? Same shit, different game. Just this time it was sooo blatant that the media finally called them on it.
I have been pretty jaded towards Gearbox ever since Hell's Highway. When this stuff with A:CM happened, I was like... yeah, what's new? Same shit, different game. Just this time it was sooo blatant that the media finally called them on it.
Neuromancer
Member
Holy shit.
notoriousKTR
Member
Randy is possibly referring to future projects. Gearbox reputation is broken. Publishers will rethink future contracts with Gearbox, knowing that they are willing to cheat, lie, bait-n-switch them without any remorse.
If the stories are true that Sega was unaware of what was happening, I am pretty sure Sega will sue near the end of the year. This will give Sega time to determine what the damages are.
Had no idea.
Me neither. Gross. I certainly won't be in a hurry to buy another Gearbox game.
many places
Member
lol I'm so happy his shit company is getting so much negative press. Honestly, Gearbox sucks and got super lucky with it's success with Borderlands. Wtf else have they done besides that, that amounts to anything actually worth playing?
The university I go to has a game design program and it seems like everyone there wants to work at Gearbox and circlejerks over anything Claptrap, Borderlands, Gearbox related.I guess it's cause Gearbox HQ is super close to my school, but still, I just absolutely do not understand the praise these guys get.
The university I go to has a game design program and it seems like everyone there wants to work at Gearbox and circlejerks over anything Claptrap, Borderlands, Gearbox related.I guess it's cause Gearbox HQ is super close to my school, but still, I just absolutely do not understand the praise these guys get.
Aquamarine
Member
http://www.gatheryourparty.com/articles/2012/11/12/pound-of-flesh/
My opinion of Gearbox is very, very, VERY low at the moment.
My opinion of Gearbox is very, very, VERY low at the moment.
Forsaken82
Member
You actually do what? I don't believe I asked you anything.
Alcoholikaust
Member
his tweets ARE pretty funny, and telling that he's trying to hide the real lack of "drive" his team had with Aliens. putting the blame on consumers is an awful idea though.
btw:
was that retweet about Pitchford putting the pulse rifle in borderlands 2 real?
btw:
was that retweet about Pitchford putting the pulse rifle in borderlands 2 real?
This is an eye opener for sure. Here I was thinking that Borderlands was pretty unique, but it turns out that is not really the case. Inspiration from CodeHunters is not what I would call it, more like copy and paste a bit and add a word or two. Well Gearbox has further lost my respect.
the shit keeps coming <.<
http://www.destructoid.com/developer-gearbox-lied-to-sega-2k-over-colonial-marines-245986.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/developer-gearbox-lied-to-sega-2k-over-colonial-marines-245986.phtml
You don't think this is meant as an allusion to Code Hunters? Borderlands is chock full of this stuff. In BL 2, you even go on a mission that is full of stuff from the movie Top Gun.
Stoffinator
Member
Man this is like a soap opera.
:lol Anyone that played Boredlands 1 should've known Gearbox didn't have the talent to back up anything they did that was "new" and should've stuck to ports like Halo PC or DLC expansions like HL:Blue-Shift.
samus4ever
Banned
Looks like Pitchford has been stealing from more than just Aliens his entire career. What a fraud. Fake twitter accounts to sing praise. Ripping off other artists shot for shot. Disgusting.
Not sure what your point is here.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I'm trying to pull out of my memory the time that someone (maybe Eurogamer?) broke the story on Borderlands 2 and Pitchford called it shoddy journalism, implying they should be ashamed for claiming they had knowledge of that game existing.
And then they announced Borderlands 2 the next day.
And then they announced Borderlands 2 the next day.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Keep on diggin em down, Jim. I love it <3
Jim Sterling is on a roll.
I don't blame him, If someone did that to one of my favorite franchises, I would want answers too.
I wonder where Gearbox's relationship with 2k will stand after the dust settles.
oconnomiyaki
Member
Apparently, "You're actual journalists and not just a mouthpiece for us." = "Shoddy journalism."
Pitchford saying people should go through the official channels bugs me far more than anything and highlights everything wrong with this industry.
Borderlands is a mish-mash of references to other video games, movies, and pop-culture. Whatever the value of this approach, that is its MO. One of the properties Borderlands alludes to is Code Hunters, both in art style and opening cinematic. I find this no more offensive than if the opening shots of Borderlands were taken from the original Star Wars. The intent is to reference a broad base of media that the developers enjoy and think can be remixed into something different.
Sounds like Pitchford pulled a Denis Dyack and Colonial Marines is Gear Box's X-Men: Destiny. So long, Gearbox, you were never really that great.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
The art style was a genuine stroke of brilliance...looking back OF COURSE it was simply too good for a piss pot, shitty little grotbag studio like gearbox to come up with.
Incredible.
Incontinentia Buttocks
Banned
References or humorous homage are a tad different from contacting an artist, ripping off his work wholesale and telling him there's no work for him.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
I'd say the only way to fight this is boycott Gearbox, but that will hurt the devs, not the management. The management should pay.
Neuromancer
Member
Borderlands didn't appear to steal Top Gun's art style, though. There's a big difference between a jokey reference, and theft.
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Someone in another thread recently linked to a thread from a few years ago (I think) about viral marketer who posted a bizarre thread piling praise on Borderlands. Once he was rumbled, scorn was poured all over the shop, and someone who apparently worked at Gearbox turned up to deny that it had anything to do with them and they'd never do a such a thing - which appeared to be accepted.
The last week or so of ACM stories cast that in a somewhat different light.
The last week or so of ACM stories cast that in a somewhat different light.
Neuromancer
Member
Also, everyone knows what Star Wars is. That's why that reference or homage would work. Almost no one knew or knows what Code Hunters is.
Zombie James
Banned
If I had known about this CODEHUNTERS thing I never would have bought Borderlands. Fuck Gearbox.
And a lot of the kids playing Borderlands may have never seen Top Gun. A reference or homage need not be grokked by everyone to be meaningful for the developer, and some may be quite obscure. In any case, my point is that this is not so cut and dry.
I was answering your rhetorical question, because my answer is actually completely the opposite of what you implied it would be.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Randy, you old dog you!
And if you don't get my reference, it's because references only work if they are based on something a lot of people understand. Otherwise it's stealing.
cyberheater
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I don't hate him. I'm just really disappointed that this guy lied to Sega and everyone else to line his pockets. He raised our hopes that we would finally get the game that the Aliens movies deserve and instead farmed it out so he could work on his own pet project and continued to lie to Sega about the state of the project and ultimately was forced to delivered this turd rather then get sued by Sega for delaying it further.
Actually now that I come to think of it. I do hate him.
Unless Sega possibly gave them the option of paying them their money back or not and Sega takes them to court and tires to bleed them dry. It also could mean they've actually been losing contracts for other games or just financial backing in general.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They probably should have just let this game die back in 2008 when they could have gotten out without the blowback. Yeesh.
Although, maybe all they need to do is make a new Clap Trap video and all will be forgiven?
Although, maybe all they need to do is make a new Clap Trap video and all will be forgiven?
Allusions can definitely be obscure without "stealing", and famous authors have used obscure allusions in the past. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allusion.